Talk:Ferenc Puskás

Death

he died --66.65.56.199 17:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Noooooooooooooo!!!!! :( Rest in peace Puskás öcsi, may you be the all-time top scorer on Heaven's team. K. Lastochka 02:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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"In his club career, he apparently totalled 511 goals, a number believed to be third all-time behind Pelé and Josef Bican." Given that Romario scored over 900 goals, this seems unlikely. Maybe someone could do an edit. It is also unlikley that he is the fourth all time scorer.

Friendereich got more than Pelé, fifth and counting.

Franz "Bimbo" Binder scored 1006 goals in his career. That one includes league, friendlies and national team goals.

Picture

This one is just temporary. Who are the person on Puskas' picture? Obviously it's not him, so shouldn't it be of him?

Why he left Hungary

Can someone give some details? I have been reading a book "Everton in Europe", in its chapter of the match between Everton and the Greek side Pukas coached, it mentioned that he was away with his club in "free" Europe while Hungarian uprising was crushed by the USSR troops. Can someone with a better source confirm this and add this information to the page? I think it's an important move to Pukas career, without which he would not have been playing a partnership with Di Stefano.

Your source was right, he and several other players of "The Golden Team" remained abroad (mostly in Austria and Italy) after the invasion of the Red Army, but being threatened with an incredible two-year FIFA ban that forbade clubs even to let the "fugitives" train with them, most of them chose to return. Those few who refused to return had to wait until '59 to be signed. --Biziclop 16:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Total Amount of Goals in Career

Someone know? Is up 1.000?

I've found these figures (but I'll verify them in his official biography)

358 goals scored from 349 Hungarian domestic appearances 324 goals scored from 372 Spanish domestic appearances 84 goals scored from 85 Hungarian international matches

This totals to 766 goals (from 806 matches) not counting cups and friendly tours with various all-star teams. Hence the estimation of 1000 career goals and considering that this incorporates two years of almost total "silence", even if the real number is less than 1000, ha is in fact one of the most prolific goalscorers of all times.

- Is it right?

• He must have played more matches, let's take, for Real Madrid? 179 games in 11 years? That's sixteen games pr. year.

- I don't know much about how this site works and what the protocol for suggesting things is, but it seems to me there's some discrepancy in the total number of international goals scored. The article mentions 84 goals in 89 career international matches, then 84 goals in 85 matches for Hungary later on. However, the article also references Fifa's official site and obit as references for the article, yet those same articls put his goal total at 83 goals in 84 caps for Hungary. So who's right? What's the answer? And how do you choose whether to edit or not?

- Atending to official book of real madrid puskas statistics

• domestic league 154 goals in 179 games

|domestic cup 46 goals in 41 games european champions cup 34 goals in 39 games intercontinental cup 2 goals in 2 games Total official goals 236 in 261

Pantheon

Absolute POV on the six greatest players of all time.

Disagree. Undoubtably he is alongside Pele, Maradona and Di Stefano as one of the world's greatest players. 82.69.40.37

Reference

I don't know anything about Puskas, and from what I understand he is a legend. However, this page has many comments such as 'the finist team of the era', 'the finest player' etc... I'm not disputing it, I think it would be good to have more reference. Azymuthca 19:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Just look at the results of that time. Hungary won against everyone. The only mistake, though, was in the 54 WC final where they lost after first taken the lead against West-Germany. Earlier in that WC, they won them by 8-3. I don't think Puskas needs any further explanation either. Look at his record for RM. And his i.eg. european cup wins aso...

My point is... whe don't need reference where he or RM is said to be "one of the finest...".

3 Champions Cups

Puskas won 3 European Cups, and not just one! He played and won in the 1959 (but was injured for the final), played and won in the 1960, and played and won in the 1966 (he didn't play the final). after the 66' third cup he retired to become a coach.

http://www.goldenfoot.com/ochampions.cfm?id=16

Puskas only played in two European Cup finals - 1960 and 1962. He was injured for the 1959 final, as stated in article, and did not play in 1966. You can not credit him with finals he did not appear in as this is inaccurate. Puskas had a pretty successful career and it does not need embellishing Djln--Djln 21:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree with the anonymous user. He did not play in these finals, but he was part of the Real Madrid squad that season. A cup isn't won only on the day of the final, but takes a lot of matches in a whole season. SportsAddicted | discuss 15:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• If you included every player who played for a winning team in previous round of a competition, individual honours lists could go on for ever and could be considered inaccurate. Cup competitions only give winners medals to players who played in final. Djln--Djln 21:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Then why is it that reserve players are also allowed to to step up when a cup is lifted? They also get their medals even if they didn't play and they can celebrate with those who did play in the final. Another thing, the article about Puskás in German is a featured article there and it says he won all three of those stated above by the anonymous user. I don't say we should copy it because the Germans do it, but as far as I know reserve players also get their medals. SportsAddicted | discuss 23:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)