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Stray barnstars

I've moved my barnstars, etc., to User:Jmabel/Barnstars. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PD images

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=69.203.4.112 was just uploading PD images, linked externally. We should get them onto Commons and use them that way. - Jmabel | Talk 21:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Thresing board

Hola Joe Mabel:

Soy el autor del artículo original es:trillo (agricultura). ¡Gracias por la traducción!, pero es muy complicada debido a la gran cantidad de terminos agrícolas en desuso, no hablo muy bien el inglés, pero si puedo ser útil en algo avisadme.

Un saludo--Locutus Borg File:Logo-Borg.gif, Talk to me 06:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Muchos términos son desconocidos para los españoles incluso, pues el trillo dejó de usarse hace mucho tiempo y luego está la gacería, pero si hacéis las cosas tan bien como me imagino y si sois tan rápidos contestando a los mensajes, seguro que tendréis éxito. ¡Ánimo!--Locutus Borg File:Logo-Borg.gif, Talk to me 06:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Council of 500

Hi Joe -- at first glance the part dealing with Ancient Athens looks right, but what I expected to read about was one of the political upheavals that Athens underwent towards the end of the Pelopennesian War. I think it's significant that none of the articles linking to it have anything to do with ancient Athens. If you aren't in a hurry to deal with this article, I can do some further research when I'm home tonight. (I'm currently sitting in a potential juror's room at the courthouse.) -- llywrch 17:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a chance to look a little more into this, & discovered that I had confused the Athenian "Council of Five Hundred" with the Council of the Four Hundred, which ruled Athens for 4 months in 411 BC. What makes this even more tangled, from a Wikipedia point of view, is that while that article is a redirect to Boule (ancient Greece), there is also The Four Hundred (oligarchy), an unmarked stub on this subject.
But back to the older Council. My copy of the Oxford Classical Dictionary lacks an entry on this form of the Athenian Boule, and although Raphael Sealey's A history of the Greek City State (Berkeley: University of California, 1976) mentions it several times, it doesn't appear to have any importance on its own. In other words, I'd merge that part of the article into Boule (ancient Greece) & use the "For" template to direct readers looking for that material. (FWIW, I didn't get picked for a jury panel & they let the rest of go home at noon today.) -- llywrch 01:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if it's more accurate to say that I'm a "non-juring Wikipedian" or a "Wikipedian who has fulfilled his civic duties". You're welcome to put any label on it you want -- I'm just glad the tedium is over. :-) -- llywrch 01:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your views please

Hi Joe: I have just contacted new User:Chavatshimshon who has made some big moves in long-standing articles about Jewish topics. Please read what I wrote to him and add your expertise and intervention. Thank you. IZAK 08:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

STOP your changes NOW!
Dear Chavatshimshon: Welcome, and thank you for contacting me. Regarding your changes @ Chavatshimshon edits Please do not make any more changes or moves to Jewish articles. You are too new to Wikipedia. You are not even reverting articles correctly (by creating multiple double reverts). You are also creating duplicate articles of existing articles, which creates even more problems. The articles you are fiddling around with have been worked on for many years. You cannot move and change these articles without discussing it with the nearly one hundred known members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism; Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history; Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish culture and others. I am going to ask some experienced editors, who are also admins, to examine your recent changes and to revert your moves until we can get some better idea of what it is that you are doing, and if it is going to help the Jewish and Judaism articles on Wikipedia. Stay tuned. This message is being shared with User:Jmabel; User:Jayjg; User:Jfdwolff; User:TShilo12 and User:Humus sapiens. Thank you. IZAK 08:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject: "Just do it?"

Hi Jmabel,

I've been working on a WikiProject:

I posted something about it on the talk page of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages & no one responded; posted something about it on the Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects and no one responded. Two or three people told me on their Talk pages they'd be willing to join (but they haven't signed up). One person actually signed up on the /Members page in my user space...

Should I just start the project? Wait for more support? Try to drum up more support? Or, something else?

Thanks --Ling.Nut 10:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply! --Ling.Nut 23:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Translation request

I was wondering if I might be able to bother you again with a translation request - I'm translating de:Palais Strousberg. In the Edgeschoss paragraph it says:-

"Oberhalb der kleinen, niedrigen Fenster der Wirtschaftsräume im Kellergeschoss verbanden große, über drei Meter hohe Fenster im Vorzimmer des großen Festsaales, im großen Festsaal und in der Gemäldegalerie die Gesellschaftsräume optisch mit den Gartenanlagen im großen Hof, dessen Fassaden korinthische Säulen unter einem Architrav gliederten"

I'm struggling with Wirtschaftsräume - could this be an Accounts room or is it just the servant's work rooms?
I'm guessing it translated as something like "Above the small, low windows of the accounts room in the basement, large windows (over 3 metres high) optically connected the anteroom of the great festival room, the picture gallery, the festival room and lounges, with the plants and garden in the courtyard. The facade to this courtyard was arranged with corinthian columns united under an architrave. Schöned dank. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Out of my depth here. You should ask a native German speaker what it would mean in this context. - Jmabel | Talk 19:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

World Jewry Category

What?!?! The word "Jewry" excludes secular Jews, and non-Orthodox Jews!? So you are saying Jewry refers to religious Jews?! Chavatshimshon 21:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation Cabal

Hi Joe: Care to comment? Please see: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-17 Religious opposition to same-sex marriage in South Africa. Thank you. IZAK 12:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Karagoz

Although I'm not sure, I really don't think it's a kind of shadow theatre as Karagoz reminds me more of puppets.--Quinlan Vos 20:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it notable enough to mention in there that it is the source of the Romanian word caraghios? Dahn 20:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly worth a mention in the Romanian Wikipedia. I'm not sure many English-speakers would care. - Jmabel | Talk 20:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article histories

Please note that when I tagged that article, it was done with a semi-automated tool WP:AWB, and that I was processing several hundred articles at the time, from the list at Special:Uncategorizedpages. Sometimes, yes, I may spot an obvious "real" article go by, and I can backtrack and check the history and rollback to an earlier version. Other times I just let the macros run, and at least the {{uncat}} tag is a flag to the normal editors of that page that something more serious may be going on. :) --Elonka 20:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Translation

Hello, Mr. Mabel!

As you may know, a new version of the Translation project is being created; it is at the link above.

I am translating the project, which is almost finished, while Jean-Michel Fayard takes care of the technical side. We see that you are one of the users most involved with the current Translation pages. We would love to hear from you and what you think of the project. If you have any comments or advice on what to add or remove, they would be very welcome, as you know more about the ins and outs of the English-language Wikipedia than we do.

Jean-Michel and others created this project first for the French-language Wikipedia, where translations from other Wikipedias are very common, so much so that the translation project was becoming disorganised and was confusing to use for many people because of the many steps to take and the subpages involved. They streamlined it, making the project clearer and neater. (The original project can be found here: fr:Projet:Traduction.) Hopefully, people will see the project on the English Wikipedia and translate it into their own language.

Feel free to poke around. As I said, if you have any questions or comments, no matter how minor, please contact me or Jean-Michel on the project's talkpage. We would be happy to explain the project to you and anyone else you think would be interested.

Happy editing!

Marialadouce | parlami 21:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My answer is in the project talk page. Jmfayard 17:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article Titles

Hi, Jmabel, I hate to bother you with something that is probably explained somewhere, but I have looked and simply can't find it.

I have run into a number of article titles that have a mistake in them, usually a misspelling or transcription of a foreign name. One I just ran into is Artabasdos, which is a mistake for Artavasdos. The error in this case is the back-formation of a "b" from the assumption that a transcription with a "v" is a phonetic transcription of the post-Classical pronunciation of Greek beta (this is easy to spot in Russian transcriptions of Greek, which normally have the later pronuncition, such as 'Vizantinskij' for English 'Byzantine'). But this Byzantine-era name was not written with a beta to begin with (unlike the name Byzantium), as you can see from the Greek that is actually given in the article. In most historical works on Byzantine history it is spelled "Artavasdos". So the "Artabasdos" (etc.) spelling is a mistake. I added the form "Artavasdos" at the beginning of the article, but of course the article name itself should be fixed, and along with it the links to it. Another example is the article title Japonic languages, which reflects the peculiar, non-linguistic views of one faction in the rather contentious (and often unprofessional) field of Japanese-area historical linguistics. A neutral title for the article would be Japanese-Ryukyuan languages (or the like), which is used by some scholars who don't have a bone to pick here, because the family has two equivalent (same level node) branches, the Japanese branch and the Ryukyuan branch. (Two of my Japanese colleagues in Japan prefer the even less Japanocentric 'Loochooan' spelling or something similar instead of 'Ryukyuan', which has become the usual spelling in English among linguists.) There are some other examples, which as I recall are even worse, but which for the moment escape me. For some time I have been adding comments on the title to the 'Talk' page for several such articles, or to my comments in the 'Edit Summary' line, but notice no one fixes them or responds; I guess I must be doing something wrong. So, my question is, how do I fix article titles? Or, how do I signal an error like this so it will get fixed?

Best wishes, Chris Chris B 22:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've followed up on Chris's page, explaining about page moves. - Jmabel | Talk 19:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From spanish wikipedia

The article Aarón González is ready to be deleted in the spanish wikipedia because the Quake & Kaik and related articles are not real information or original reserch or something that I can't say in english :P then I was wondering if you can watch that article cause I'm not enough good in english and I don't know about the deletion policy in english wikipedia. bye Chien-A 04:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've started the appropriate AFDs - Jmabel | Talk 19:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding block of 208.108.91.156 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

I noticed you recently indefinitely blocked an IP address indefinitely after only one prior block. This is generally not a good thing, my understanding is that blocks go: a few hours, a few days, a week, a month, a few months, a year, and then indefinite. Note this is different to user accounts, which can be blocked indefinitely after only a few edits, or before any at all. Is there any particular reason for the block to be of this length, or should a one month block be enough to suffice in this instance? Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 09:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

fair use again

Hey, in light of our earlier conversation, I thought I might direct your attention towards Wikipedia talk:Fair use. In case you haven't seen it, and purposefully ignored it (an entirely justifiable decision), there's been some proposal to change Fair use criterion #1 to make it so that non-free/fair use images are only to be removed if a free replacement has already been created. I'm not sure the proposal would solve all problems with current policy, but what it has done is brought out a substantial group of people opposed to the current policy. Anyway, just thought I'd point it out to you, in case you wanted to comment. I doubt anything will come of this particular proposal, but anything that exposes the lack of consensus behind the current policy is, I think, a good thing. john k 13:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IP block (as per WP:AIV talk page)

I personally think that one should never block IP addresses indefinitely, and so I will tend to give harsh blocks to repeat offenders (6+ months for some bad vandals). The guy you blocked was only blocked once before, and I felt you were a bit harsh on the guy. I'm tweaking the block to one week. That okay with you? Nishkid64 00:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that given the nature of his vandalism, one week is very short, but, as I said, if you are the one willing to keep an eye on him, do what you please. My tendency is to give long blocks to vandalism-only accounts and vandalism-only IP addresses: I've almost never seen one come back and do good things; in the rare event that someone wants to do something constructive from such an IP, I'd expect them to call for administrator attention. - Jmabel | Talk 00:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that user is on my watchlist now, and I will look over them. My philosophy is that we try to promote editing activity by anons and users alike. I feel that blocking anon IP's really isn't justified, as it may be a household computer, and one person in the family might be vandalizing, while another might actually want to contribute. Not everyone is so technologically advanced to realize that they could ask an admin for help. To prevent these situations from ever occurring, I tend to go with long-term blocks instead of indefinite blocks. Nishkid64 00:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just responded to your note on bullets

Hi Joe, I responded here. Regards, Noroton 18:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonio Fernandez

Hi J! Could you take a look at the recent edits to Macedonio Fernandez? It's really not my topic (do I actually have one?), and wouldn't like to loose (potentially) valuable information from an anon editor. Thanks a lot, Mariano(t/c) 11:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I though a vandal wouldn't make the effort to write something like that. Thanks a lot for giving it an eye and formating it! Mariano(t/c) 07:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just a quick note on columns with divs. That handy struct currently works only with Firefox/Mozila (see Template:Reflist#Multiple columns). Good wiking, Mariano(t/c) 10:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vico

Joe, it looked like a title page to me too, because the page looks like paper, is stamped, and other reasons too, but I went with cover because the image file said it is the copertina, and it is categorized at the Commons as a book cover. I was thinking about it because I really liked your recent talkpage comment there, I'd like to see what you add along those lines. That is one of those books that I've read but was way over my head, I'll read it again in a few years though - probably heard of it from a friend who is doing a Ph.D in Italian Language. On the subject of Italian lit., what do you think of this User:DVD R W/Il sistema periodico? DVD+ R/W 18:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Romanians, again Mikkalai

In principle, there could at some future time this anti-romanian campaign be stopped. However, it appears that this has been almost entirely an effort to create a POV fork and avoid consensus on issues in the Romanians's article. Mikkalai and Khoikhoi, in particular, has been a POV warrior of the most recalcitrant sort on Romanian issues in the English-language Wikipedia, grasping at straws, constantly citing discredited Soviet-era scholarship, and ignoring clear consensus. The effort to establish a consensus speaks for itself. In short, I support having 34 millions romanians because of what it is in practice; I'd be open to a petition in the future to re-open it if there were an appropriate set of people behind it who I believed were attempting an NPOV project instead of an actively POV one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.243.91.130 (talk • contribs) 21 November 2006.

Last time someone wished to have 34 million Romanians, he started a fertility program. As I remember, it didn't go too well.
For what it's worth: I think that the exclusion of Moldovans from the count of Romanians is misguided. Someone looking for a "number of Romanians" (in the ethnic sense of that term) presumably means all Daco-Romanians; they might even mean Aromanians, etc., as well. But 34 million is ridiculous, about 8 million more than the absolutely highest vaguely credible number I've seen. Among other things, it seems to be based on claims like there being a million ethnic Romanians each in Spain, Italy, etc., without this somehow diminishing the number in Romania itself.
If you feel that Mikkalai and Khoikhoi are using an illicit approach to this, I suggest that you start an RFC. My talk page is no place to settle the matter. - Jmabel | Talk 18:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lehi (group)

Hi. Thanks for helping with this article. However, I want to point out that the book of Moshe Shamir which Amoruso wants to quote in several places is a novel, and is identified as a novel even on the cover of the book. This clearly rules it out as a historical source. The fact that the author is an ideologue of the extreme right doesn't help, but the case for exclusion on the basis of being an admitted piece of fiction doesn't need that observation. Regards. --Zerotalk 11:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Commons Image:D'Annunzio in Fiume.jpg

Hi, you asked on my commons talk regarding the deletion of this image. The deletion rationale was simple enough, the image had no information on the source - it was copied from an image on gl.wikipedia but has no real source there. Without a source its copyright status is unfortunately unknown. If the photo was taken by a private individual it is almost certainly still in copyright, as life of author plus 70 years is likely to still be in copyright for a 20s image. If you know the source of course tell me :)

The reason for replying here is so you get the reply sooner and to give you some extra info. There have been a few changes to the Commons preferences recently which you may find useful. You can now set it to email you if your Commons talk page gets edited or a page on your watchlist is edited, might be helpful to you.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cfd

Hi Joe: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thanks. IZAK 11:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

mass page moves

Someone is wanting to move several pages from "AAA people" to "AAAs". He/she created a new subpage of WikiProject Ethnic groups for a survey: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Renaming survey.

Hi Jmabel. I went ahead and responded to your comments on Wikipedia talk:External links. Bottom line, your arguments are well stated for keeping this link and I don't object - just thought it should have been addressed first on the Talk:VoiceXML page. I think we both are in agreement that this is a valuable article and should be kept to the highest standards. Thanks for keeping this a productive discussion and best wishes. Calltech 15:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vote

Please vote 67.70.70.33 22:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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