Talk:Owasippe Scout Reservation

An entry from Owasippe Scout Reservation appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 02 February, 2006.

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Needed

This article wants badly for a History section. Problem is, short of pawing through 100 years of newspapers, the usual source for such information is Oral History, hence the conflicts of information between current sources about basic facts. Any bit of Scouting history related to Owasippe, or information about the camps' history itself that can be verified is sorely needed. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 08:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, any information about the ecology of the reservation would also go far in improving the article. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 08:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

expansion request

In compliance with Scouting WikiProject policy on sub-council entities, I propose the expansion of this article into a larger Chicago Area Council article, with information added from Scouting_in_Illinois#Chicago_Area_Council. Local articles really need to be council level rather than by camp or lodge. Examples of good Council articles include Cradle of Liberty Council and Chester County Council, all others have been or are stubs, and we really are trying to avoid sub-council articles. Chris 02:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since this applies to a camp and not a subunit of a council, I don't think the policy applies. In fact, having looked at said policy and the associated discussion, I find no mention of articles for camps at all. Besides, detailed descriptions and histories of the most prominent camps are more readily available (and, IMHO, more interesting) than those of councils. There's already enough information here to merit its remaining a separate article, and it appears no pressing need to split off the CAC section from the Scouting in Illinois page. Thesquire (talk - contribs) 04:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, the RulesStandards page doesn't mention council camps and reservations by name (we should fix that), but they are considered subunits of councils. IMHO the size of this article is borderline as to make it part of a CAC article or leave it separate. If this article were expanded, it would easily warrant standing alone. Then a CAC article could be made with a summary and main link about this article.Rlevse 10:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

expand, as per nomination and discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards. Chris 01:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vanity Discussion

By adding a section of Staffperson of the year, we can not only expand the article there by preventing it from being merged with a CAC article, and also recognize these parts of OSR history that it lacks. True there are not any "famous" staff people of the year, but they have made extraordinary contributions to the camp and scouting community and also are recognized by their peers. This section has been added already, but deleted by over-zealous wikipedia checkers who do not agree that this has a place here, when in fact it is part of the history of Owasippe (especially if the list could be completed). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.3.21.125 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOT a directory, nor is it an indiscriminate collection of information. I also happen to know that this anonymous user is one of the persons on the mentioned list (since he yelled at me via an online messaging program), and as such this is an issue of vanity.-- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 20:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, "Name withheld to avoid vanity argument" is tantamount to admitting you're wrong. Why do you keep adding it? -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 06:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Swim Area

I added a second photo of the Camp Stuart swim area, taken from the same position in 2006. ADH 20:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External Links

I would like to bring up the fact that many External Links on this page are not in accordance with the External Links guidelines. Specifically "The Scarlet Sassafrass" and others. I think this section needs to be revamped and those links need to be removed. Some guidelines that apply to this deletion include, but are not limited to:

Any site that contains factually inaccurate material or unverified original research, as detailed in Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
A website that you own or maintain, even if the guidelines above imply that it should be linked to. This is because of neutrality and point-of-view concerns; neutrality is an important objective at Wikipedia, and a difficult one. If it is relevant and informative, mention it on the talk page and let other — neutral — Wikipedia editors decide whether to add the link.

Do these sites really contain accurate and especially NEUTRAL material? Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Seanhaneberg 15:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

After waiting for an addition to this discussion, and since there was a lack of it, I've deleted three links that had POV concerns. Seanhaneberg 00:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Owasippe BBS is not in accordance with External Links Guideline 7 stating that "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), or discussion forums" should not be included. Link has been deleted.

*[http://www.owasippe-bbs.com/ The Owasippe BBS - LEAVE THE LINK ALONE, SEAN!!!]

I moved this comment to the discussion page. ADH 18:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've not been on wikipedia much recently, else I'd have chimed in sooner, but I agree with Seanhaneberg on this one. --Thesquire (talk - contribs) 19:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]