Talk:Chaos Emeralds

Should Master Emerald have its own entry?

I was just putting some info into the Master Emerald section, and it seems that it's really crammed in there (the game titles should be sub-sections under the "Role in Series" section, but since "Master Emerald" is a section to begin with, we're stuck with a rather pointless "Role in Series" sub-section) when it could have an article to itself with more space. There definately seems to be enough information to warrant it.

I think, back in antiquity, they were seperate articles. At the time, someone decided they should be merged. Still, I think there's probably enough information if you wanted to seperate the articles out. -- Supermorff 21:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Antiquity? More like three months ago. I remember adding to that artical. The Master Emerald has a long history in the games and in the comics. We need give it it's own artical. -- Jelly Soup 8:36 am, 20 February 2006 (PST)

"The Master Emerald first appeared in Sonic the Hedgehog 3, where it was stolen by Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik in his bid to take over the world."

I don't remember it being in Sonic 3 at all. It was only ever seen, IIRC, in the Hidden Palace Zone, either when you visited it as the third-last zone in Sonic and Knuckles (or Sonic 3 and Knuckles) or when you teleported there to perform one of the Super Emerald Special Levels, none of which was possible in Sonic 3 on its own. (Darien Shields 13:53, 17 September 2005 (UTC))

Although the Master Emerald (or Power Stone) couldn´t be currently seen during StH3, it had an "indirect" appearence, since due to its power that Angel Island was suspended on the atmosphere (where StH3 and S&K take place). Tonyjeff 15:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Multiple Chaos Emeralds

I came across with an interesting theory. StH1 took place in South Island, where Sonic collected six Chaos Emeralds. StH2 took place in West Side Island (or Enchanted Island) where Sonic found OTHER seven Chaos Emeralds, since nothing say that Sonic lost the six ones found in South Island. Also, considering that StH3 and S&K happen each one in a direct sequence from StH2, the Super Chaos Emeralds are in fact the seven ones Sonic collected during StH2 in Enchanted Island. They reacted to the radiation emanated from Master Emerald. So, we could suppose that there are different groups of Chaos Emeralds hidden in many different places (islands in special)? Tonyjeff 15:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Outside of Sonic the Comic, in which it is specifically stated that there are two sets of Emeralds (the Mobian Emeralds and the Floating Island Emeralds), there isn't really any canonical evidence to support that theory. Of course, now you've mentioned it on a talk page, it'll be there for everyone to see. I just don't think it's worth putting into the article proper. -- Supermorff 21:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, it´s just a theory. I just wonder if we could establish the same relation with the other Sonic games, grouping all those Emeralds in separated sets or identifying them as the same in different games. Tonyjeff 01:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Origins

For what is said within manuals, official players guides, mangas, cartoons and other crossed refferences, every Chaos Emerald is a divine artifact, used by different ancient civilizations to promote the development of wisdom and prosperity; eventually almost all of them left the ganance took control of their minds, misusing the Emeralds, what doomed all of them. Some of their ruins can be seen scatered by the different islands and places where Sonic games occur. Knuckles is a direct descendant of an Equidna ancient lineage from Angel Island. The Emeralds would be one of the rare manifestations of the deities of Sonic world. Tonyjeff 15:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

That's not said within any manual I've ever read, and as for mangas, cartoons and crossed references, they can't really be considered canon. Interesting theory, though, I guess, but Sonic games in general don't really have deities. -- Supermorff 21:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, he is Tonyjeff is right. Outside of America and ESPECIALLY in Japan, the manuals have much more depth to them. I am sure there are sites outthere that list these. And of course the Sonic games have deities....Chaos! He is a God!Rogzilla 00:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Extreme Gear?

The Chaos Emerald Gear in Sonic Riders enables Sonic to become Super Sonic. I haven't played it, but should this be added to the entry?

I don't see why not. One could argue that the gear is made from Chaos Emeralds or, at least, shares some power with them. Toss it in. Jelly Soup 12:21, 28 February 2006 (PST)

I thought the gear was Sonic on the Blue Star harnessing the Chaos Emeralds' power and then floating over the ground on his board as Super Sonic. BlackEDGE MkII 00:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Green emeralds?

I haven't seen any information on any Sonic sites, but I'm wondering if there's a reason why they're all called emeralds, even though emeralds are usually green.

Not that this would have any effect on the article itself (aside from maybe a footnote), since Chaos Emerald is the proper term for the jewel either way, but is it incorrect to call something an emerald if it's not green?

Yes, that is right, emeralds can only be green NORMALLY, but after, Chaos Emeralds aren't normal emeralds, are they? Maybe "emerald" is just used instead of "gemstone", or something like that, because "Chaos Emerald" sounds cooler than "Chaos Gemstone". OR, maybe someone just found them once and called them emeralds even though they probably aren't- they're probably some other kind of gem we've never heard of. CatMan 01:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Let's keep in mind that his is a video game. For all we know, the word emerald in Sonic's universe my be a catchall term for any type of precious stone. Not that any of this means anything for the article, as the source calls them emeralds and that's all that matters. -- Jelly Soup 00:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Chaos Emeralds are Super Emeralds?

There is a theory that says that Super Emeralds never returned to being Chaos Emeralds. During the console series SA1, SA2, SH and Shadow the Hedgehog, the Chaos Emeralds were always used by more then one Character. In Sonic Adventure 1, this was explained as the 'positive' and 'Negative' energies of the Emeralds.

SA1 Chaos and S.Sonic

SA2 S.Shadow and S.Sonic

In Sonic Heroes Tails and Knux were 'half powered' and not fully.

Shadow the Hedgehog, Black doom and S.Shadow.

Of course, there is literally no evidence to prove that, and the games continue to call them Chaos Emeralds. No.

Retcon?

According to decompiles and strategy guides, there are 8 chaos emeralds in the next gen game...the 8th being rainbow colored. How is that going to affect this article? GrandMasterGalvatron 13:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If that really is true, please don't spoil it for unknowing users. But anyway, I guess we'll just wait for the game to come out before adding anything. Hopefully it explains why there are eight. If it's true. 83.252.141.112 05:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that that was a decompile of the Sol Emeralds by Sonic Cult. The 8th Emerald was a rainbow colored emerald. Many believe it to be the Sol Emerald equivalent of the Master Emerald. BlackEDGE MkII 01:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh...as if any consistency actually ever existed. Every single game has added or taken away something. Sonic 1 had 6. Sonic 2 added 1. Sonic 3 changed colors. Sonic Adventure did too, and added the concept of positive and negative energy. Sonic Blast had 5. Sonic Spinball had 12 (or was it 16? Either way, all blue). This game is no different. Don't look too much into it. DanPMK 07:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Sonic Team is notorious for contradicting facts from their previous canon games. And don't forget: Sonic Battle had 7 (all green) and Sonic the Fighters had 8 (I think) BlackEDGE MkII 00:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Here:

Sonic 1 had 6: Blue, Yellow, Pink, Red, Green, Grey, and they were octagonal.

Sonic 2 (MS/GG) had 6, probably the same as above.

Sonic 2 (MD/Gen) had 7, it added purple to Sonic 1's, and they were hexogonal. Introduced Super Sonic.

SegaSonic (Arcade) didn't have ANY.

Sonic CD had 7 time stones, no emeralds.

Sonic and Tails/Chaos had 6.

Sonic Spinball had 16, all blue.

Sonic 3 had 7; the yellow was changed to orange, and the pink was replaced with light blue. Back to octagonal. Sonic and Knuckles was originally part of this, but to make more money they split it. See the Sonic 3 article for details. The Super emeralds were made to fill that silly gap. They were never seen again, and are in fact just powered up emeralds, not seperate. Also introduced the Master Emerald.

Sonic Gameworld had 5.

Sonic & Tails 2/Triple Trouble had 6.

Sonic Drift 2: 6 emeralds, the first done didn't have any.

Knuckles Chaotix: 6 chaos rings.

Tails' Sky Patrol: 0

Tails' Adventure: 6, Sonic 1 colors.

Sonic Labyrinth: 6

Sonic the Fighters/Championship: 8, one for each character.

Sonic 3D: 7, they look like cough drops.

G Sonic/Sonic Blast: 5.

Sonic R: 7, even though one of them changes color once you collect it.

Sonic Adventure 1 & 2: 7; Sonic 3 colors, but orange is back to yellow.

Sonic Pocket Adventure: 7

Sonic Advance 1, 2, and 3: 7

Sonic Heroes: 7

DanPMK 02:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact that they were all green in Sonic Battle is probably just because of limitations. Or the creators just didn't want to make different colored sprites. 83.255.68.110 00:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I goofed on the rainbow-colored emerald. Apparently, (from a user on the StH 2006 forum board who obtained a Sonic 2006 script from Sonic Cult) all 7 chaos emerald are items that you purchase for "Custom Actions" (for example: Sonic throws the green emerald, then dashes towards it at high speeds, destroying all enemies in his path.). Also, from what has been said on that forum, the rainbow colored emerald might trigger each character's super form, IN-GAME (meaning that super forms might not be restricted to the final boss/bosses. Can you say FRICKIN' SWEET HOMAGE TO 2D-ERA SONIC?!) If you need proof, here's a link: [1] BlackEDGE MkII 00:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear God, I hope that Super does that! :D Tell you what, I'll confirm it when the strategy guide comes out ^^GrandMasterGalvatron 14:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no need now. A user on the GameSpot forums just got the guide and it confirms the fact that the rainbow emerald (called a super emerald?) allows characters in-game to go super. And apparently, Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are all gold (way to go originality). Here's a link: [2] BlackEDGE MkII 00:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Huh. I wonder if we should add that under "Super Emeralds" or "The Eighth Emerald" once the game comes out. 83.255.69.190 16:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Chaos power?

is it true that each chaos emerald has an individual power? for example, i have heard that the red emerald fills its user with either the power to temporarily control fire, or immense hatred and unfathomable rage, depending on the users personality. also, i hear that the silver emerald gives you indestructable platinum armor.is all this true?

Where exactally have you seen this? -- Jelly Soup 06:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

None of this is true in any official game which has been released. Some may be true in certain comic-book or cartoon continuities (I don't know). And I'm sure that, in the vast body of fanconstruction, there is at least a story in which that is the case. But, again, in the games which have been endorsed by Sega, the player can only access Chaos Emerald powers by possessing all of them.

To summarize:

Games: No

Sega-endorsed fiction: Maybe

Fangames: Maybe

Fanfiction: Undoubtedly

-- Upthorn 19:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Gems in 06

The gems that Sonic can buy in 06 aren't Chaos Emeralds, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DeathGodDragon EDGE (talk • contribs) 03:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

dark emerald

in sonic 06, mephiles uses the power of what seems to be a 'dark' emerald. At first glance, it seems like the purple emerald, but later, you can see that the purple emerald has a much brighter color. this would mean there is an eighth 'dark' emerald. Does anyone else have some information about this? Bobcheezy 01:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)