Wikipedia:Featured article review/2005 Atlantic hurricane season/archive1

2005 Atlantic hurricane season

Featured article candidates/2005 Atlantic hurricane season

Featured article review/2005 Atlantic hurricane season/archive1

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I am nominating this featured article for review because I feel that it no longer meets the criteria of what a featured article is, especially in this project. The standards have significantly increased over the years and this article has sadly not kept up with the times. @JavaHurricane: posted about the article not meeting the standards on January 13 and there have been no comments so I am coming here. My main issues:

A citation needed tag for an entire paragraph
This is by far the largest issue... The article by far is not comprehensive in its coverage of storms. I understand this was literally the most active Atlantic season on record in terms of storms, but one sentence for a storm is not acceptable. Many smaller storms have virtually no information on them. Even the larger ones dont have enough. Not to mention there isn't much meteorology for individual storms. There is a list of storms for this season, but I dont see why it is needed considering the shape the main article is in at this point. If Pacific typhoon articles can contain even more storms, this should be able to have all the season's content. The storm sections need to be completely overhauled to conform to today's format. Noah^Talk 04:34, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Noah! Another thing that I think should be done is that the lead and summary should be completely rewritten as the current versions are not up to the mark. A lot of the information is irrelevant or hyped up. Also, for the time being, the FA List-classification for the list of storms should be removed as that list is in a worse state. -- Java Hurricane 05:52, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John M Wolfson
This is just for the lead.

Per MOS:LEAD, a lead paragraph should generally have no more than four paragraphs, and I fail to see how this should be an exception\
the U.S. states of Florida and Louisiana were each struck twice by major hurricanes; Cuba, the Bahamas, Haiti, Mississippi, Texas, Alabama, and Tamaulipas were each struck once and brushed by at least one more is an example of inconsistent use of "the U.S. states..."; why is it used the first time but not the second, and shouldn't Tamaulipas be referred to as "the Mexican state of Tamaulipas", for consistency?
The 2005 season was the first to observe more tropical storms and cyclones in the Atlantic than in the West Pacific; on average, the latter experiences 26 tropical storms per year while the Atlantic only averages 12. This event was repeated in the 2010 season; however, the 2010 typhoon season broke the record for the fewest storms observed in a single year, while the 2005 typhoon season featured near-average activity. None of this is cited, nor is it brought up in the body.
The season officially began on June 1, 2005, and lasted until November 30, although it effectively persisted into January 2006 due to continued storm activity. While one could argue that the body backs up the last part of this with Zeta, none of the other stuff is cited. Perhaps every hurricane season officially begins on June 1 and/or ends on November 30, but this should be explicitly mentioned and cited.
The records section references a part of the body which is inadequately cited and fleshed out, IMO.

– John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Before you all waste your time, see my conversation with Hink here. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:57, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would probably support a merger of the various articles per Yellow Evan's talk page. However, this may or may not be the right place for that. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 07:13, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is the place for that. If content from an FA is merged, the FA goes away. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Duly noted, support merger. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support merger of all four articles. Noah^Talk 17:11, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Noah, what four articles? FAR deals with Featured articles. If there are other Featured articles, a FAR needs to be opened on them. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:16, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SandyGeorgia: List of storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, 2005 Atlantic hurricane season statistics, Franklin, and Philippe per Hurricanehink's talkpage. No, FARs and FLRCs dont need to be opened for mergers. You just need consensus to merge. In this case, we would be merging these articles into the parent article in order to increase the quality of it to FA. Noah^Talk 17:23, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifying: the proposal is to merge the contents of four non-Featured articles into this Featured article. This means the (new) content in this Featured article would need to be reviewed to see if it still meets FAC standards, if the merge happens.

Conversely, the implication above is that this article is not currently at standard unless the merge happens. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:40, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SandyGeorgia: Yes... that would be our job here. We would provide featured article reviews to fix issues and ensure that it meets FA at the end of this process. Noah^Talk 17:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I endorse the plan of merging the season list article, statistics, and the two minor storm articles, while making sure that the article would still be up to featured article standards. There is currently a draft article, which I realize now is going to be a giant history merge, so much so that I'd suggest a redirect rather than doing a history merge once it is done, and leave the notice on the 2005 talk page. Still, that is where the users plan on incorporating the changes, given that the article is featured, and so is the list article). See Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season/archive1. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:03, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is an FLRC necessary when there is a consensus for a merge? I don't recall one taking place with similar mergers in the past. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 04:25, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bookkeeping mechanism for the featured list which will go away. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it needs something to link to on the article milestones. That's why the FLRC is needed, even if just for bookkeeping. Noah^Talk 14:09, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support merger of the four aforementioned articles (storm list, statistics, Franklin, Philippe). Storm sections in the draft article need to be fleshed out more, particularly Maria, Nate, Philippe (merger should help for this one), Vince, Alpha, and Beta. I suppose most of the records from the statistics article will go into the seasonal summary or the storm sections themselves? Or maybe some could be moved over exclusively to List of Atlantic hurricane records instead to avoid bloating the article. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 14:00, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This FAR is approaching the two-week mark; any progress on the Merger proposal? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:59, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:12george1 and I are working on the new version of the article in a draft article. Franklin's content has been merged in. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:06, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closing with consensus to merge since there is unanimous support after two weeks. Noah^Talk 21:58, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]