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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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Source guide for tropical cyclone articles by User:Hylian Auree[edit]


All of the below is based on style guidelines per WP:MOS.
Note: The names and titles used as examples in this guide are fictional and do not represent real articles or reports unless otherwise stated

Titles[edit]

  • For news and journal articles, the title of the article needs to be written in lower case. Naturally, proper nouns, as well as names of places, people, etc., retain their capitalization. Example: Not More Than 500,000 Left Homeless in Brenden Moses County by Hurricane Julian, but More than 500,000 left homeless in Brenden Moses County by Hurricane Julian.
  • For reports, books, press releases, and conferences, the title of the text should be fully capitalized. Example: Not Rainfall report on Hurricane Julian and its tropical remnants in Brenden Moses County, but Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian and its Tropical Remnants in Brenden Moses County.
  • For regular websites, the reference title assumes the capitalization format of the original website title. However, full-caps words or titles still need to be rewritten in lower case.
  • All titles should have proper punctuation per the WP:MOS (e.g. straight  '  rather than curly    apostrophes or quotation marks, spaced en dashes instead of misused spaced hyphens, unspaced colons, semicolons, etc.), even when the source titles may not be stylized as such. Example: Not Brenden Moses County on alert : JULIAN plays wait-and-see - Forecasters warn of storm’s “undivinable” nature, but Brenden Moses County on alert: Julian plays wait-and-see – Forecasters warn of storm's "undivinable" nature.

Dates[edit]

  • The publication date of a source is listed in the |date= field. While this can normally be found at the top of the source, it is sometimes hidden in a more obscure location (e.g. the bottom of the page, the page history, or the url of the page). For web sources that are frequently updated, use the most recent revision date. If the source is undated, this needs to be indicated by adding "n.d.", as such: |date=n.d.
  • For online sources on web pages that may be suspect to domain changes, the retrieval date (the date upon which the source was found and last accessed) is listed in the |accessdate= field. This is always the case for online newspapers or web sites, though retrieval dates should be considered for online reports as well. For books and journals, even when electronic (such as Google Books), a retrieval date is unnecessary.

Authors vs publishers in reports, press releases or documents[edit]

  • Although these all fall under the |publisher= field, it is rather cumbersome and impractical to include every single parent department (NCEP, NWS, NOAA) in |publisher= for a report or document published by the WPC. Therefore, simply listing the lowest branch as the publisher suffices (so Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). Weather Prediction Center.  rather than Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). Weather Prediction Center; National Centers for Environmental Prediction, NOAA.  or something).
  • Above all: DO NOT compartmentalize these branches and spread them across the fields. These are the |publisher= of reports, not the |author= or |work=. Example: NOT Hink, Andrew; Weather Prediction Center (2015). Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian. National Centers for Environmental Prediction (Report). College Park, MD: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.  , but simply Hink, Andrew (2015). Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). College Park, MD: Weather Prediction Center. )
  • The |work= field is often redundant here, unless the referenced report/document is part of a project, database, or contained in a separate website. In this case the project/database/website name may be listed as work, though this is often optional.
  • A recent example I came across can be found here. This is an undated rainfall report for Hurricane Earl (2010) from Météo-France published on their site, so an appropriate formatting would be {{cite report|url=http://pluiesextremes.meteo.fr/antilles/2010-Earl.html|title=Earl 2010: Ouragan|publisher=Météo France|date=n.d.|accessdate=September 13, 2015}}. However, note the "Pluies Extrêmes Aux Antilles" ("Extreme Rainfall in the Antilles") at the top of the webpage and within the url; this suggests this is a separate web archive/database for extreme rainfall events in the Antilles, documented by Meteo France as an extension of their website (meteo.fr). In this case, the |work= parameter may serve disclose this additional information.

Newspaper vs publisher vs agency vs author in news articles[edit]

  • In the |newspaper= field (or the more obsolete |work= field), list the name of the newspaper. Online newspapers are sometimes hard to distinguish from web or radio sites; looking for an "About us" section on the site or searching the newspaper name on Wikipedia may help in this case.
  • The |publisher= parameter is used for sources from broadcasters (i.e. BBC), news channels (i.e. CNN, Fox News), radio channels (CBS Radio), etc. For newspapers, listing the publisher is unnecessary and redundant.
  • The most frequent error I see in newspaper citation formatting is misusing the |author= field for the news agency (i.e. AFP, AP, Reuters, etc.). There is a special |agency= field to list these agencies. Again, only names of individuals should be included in the |author= field.

Storms and weather disasters distinguished by years[edit]

Endless RMs on related articles were addressed at "Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation". Then I found out about sockpuppetry, which was resolved at "Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive946#Procedural closes?" and an SPI case. Nevertheless, the results of Talk:Hurricane Kathleen (1976)#Requested move 5 February 2017 and Talk:Hurricane Gordon (1994) (official "procedural closes" excluded) and Talk:Tropical Storm Dorothy, which both contrast each other, would raise the consistency issue. I want to continue discussing the disambiguation at WT:DAB. However, per JHunterJ's advice, we can discuss here the articles disambiguated by years.

The project's rule says,

Less infamous (i.e. non-retired) hurricanes may have a separate page distinguished by year (e.g. Hurricane Bertha (1996)), only if it must be differentiated (e.g. Tropical Storm Bret (1993) and Hurricane Bret (1999)). If a name was used only once, no year is needed (e.g. Hurricane Rina or Typhoon Zeb).

To rephrase, disambiguation by year may be encouraged just to differentiate lesser known weather disasters. However, unsure about the second part. I could not understand what it means exactly. To my knowledge, "Rina" and "Zeb" are used only once as of now to refer to their respective disasters. However, after huge amount of RMs and one or a few inconsistencies, perhaps the project members can respond to what I'm saying and clarify the rule's meaning and compliance with policies and guidelines. I know very little about the handling of such articles, but I hope this discussion can reduce the chance of more RMs in the future. If not... what else to do about this? --George Ho (talk) 07:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Remember that the names of tropical cyclones are reused every few years, until they either become so significant that further usage of the name is inappropriate. When they reach that point the name is generally retired by the WMO committee concerned and will not be used for another system again. As a result the project used to have the rule that any tropical cyclone article, would initially have the year in brackets as a way of distinguishing them. Then if the name had become so significant that it was retired, then the project would automatically give it the article. However, we also have to bear in mind that names in the Indian Ocean, are generally only used once before they are removed but not formally retired. As a result if there is a system with only one usage of the name not type - then it would be given the title.Jason Rees (talk) 20:49, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't agree with moving Dorthy, because I don't think it is the clear cut WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Otherwise all the moves have been consistent. If the name has been used once, or only once became a hurricane, or was retired or the clear cut primary topic, the title does not include the year. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:16, 27 February 2017 (UTC)