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miscengenate

I changed the reference to "miscengenate" population to "multiracial." That seems to me a bit less controversial and less likely to cause hurt feelings. And "miscengenate" was spelled wrong, to boot. - Matt Wood

clean water supply

In several national tap water tests, Desert Hot Springs Cal. ranks in the top 10 in the country. It's very clean, naturally filtered and came from an underground geothermal spring. The town has five hotel resorts built on hot springs and tourists from around the world come by to rejuvenate in them. The town struggled with socio-economic problems and city council rivalries, but a rapid-growing population and new homes by the hundreds every year made Desert Hot Springs one of California's fastest growing cities. + Mike D 26 04:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC) 12:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Sunset_in_the_Valley"

"Sunset_in_the_Valley": 2007 movie.

hopiakuta 05:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

< http://reference.com/browse/wiki/Desert_Hot_Springs%2C_California >;

< http://reference.com/browse/wiki/Desert_Hot_Springs >.

hopiakuta ; <nowiki> { [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ; </nowiki>]] 23:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"miscegenate"; "miscegenation".

The comment of

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Desert_Hot_Springs%2C_California&diff=89391861&oldid=87462303 >

uses the word

"miscengenate",

thrice.

I have not located the original edit{s} that had inspired this message.

If you check

< http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?miscegenation >,

you would learn that the spelling is:

"miscegenate";

"miscegenation".

Thank You.

[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 17:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So, no Willie Winston, Willy Winston, miscegenate, miscegenation; but, there are Willie_Wilson, Willy_Wilson.

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 15:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Desert Hot Springs' great-tasting water...

Seems like every time I keep adding the blurb about the City's award-winning(and best-tasting!) municipal water, somebody on one of the DHS city commissions keeps repeatedly DELETING it!...apparently, this "commissioner" is determined to keep the focus soley on the spas that originally made the city famous...

It's not just the spas, folks, IT'S THE WATER!!!...

Please, to whomever keeps deleting this fact, stop playing "community censor" and admit it:your water is the best-tasting in the world and add this fact to the DHS page...

Thanks,Baldwin91006 02:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to keep something like that in there, make sure it is well-written, so it does not look like cruft. Find references and citations for these claims so it looks verifiable and add those. And then it should be ok.--Filll 11:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not a DHS commissioner. And the last time I was there, the water tasted terrible. This is WP:OR, of course, but it means I won't accept the statement without a source. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 19:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have paid numerous visits to the DHS area throughout the years and have enjoyed their water, and trust me:it's good!;no wonder it deserved all those ribbons from Berkeley Springs(WV)...

For someone to keep denying that true reason for DHS' existence by demanding a LITERARY source for the Mission Springs Water District is ridiculous;most DHS residents(and city officials) would back up Baldwin's persistence in adding the fact to this page...

Please, if someone out there can add the website for the Mission Springs Water District(then reinstate what Baldwin's been saying all along) to the page, then the "feud" can stop once and for all.

Thanks,Michaela92399 01:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Local issues

Desert Hot Springs has struggled with high crime, and carried on an unfavorable distinction as the "crime capital of Riverside county". For over 20 years according to FBI crime statistics, DHS had a large number of burglaries, robberies, vandalism, arson reports and arrests for misdemeanors per capita for a city its' size (25,000 residents). It's sad but honestly, the city has to find ways to drop the crime rate and a high percentage of low-income youths (under age 21) most gullible to commit petty crimes, DHS must address the issue to accomodate positive recreational opportunities for the city's teen and young adult (20s range) population. For example, there's a famous dirt bike track in Hacienda park that draws in dirt bikers from across the valley and nation (it is somewhat nationally famous). + 71.102.10.169 (talk) 15:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the last decade, Desert Hot Springs is ranked the WORST place to live in California on 5 issues: 1. Crime incidence rates (higher ratio per city population than even Compton, Los Angeles and also New York City), 2. Poverty/Low-income percentages (including food stamps, welfare, disability, section 8 housing and medicare recipients), 3. High unemployment and underemployment issues, 4. Less high school grads with lower college degree holders in city population, and 5. Drug trafficking and production (Google search the number of news articles about DHS' thriving medical marijuana industry). Desert Hot Springs in the top 5/6 worst cities in CA competing with San Bernardino, Oakland, Stockton, Yuba City and El Centro next to the Mexican border. Adinneli (talk) 23:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

True dat Hamburgersforever1432 (talk) 02:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There has been some lockdown the past 3 years or so. Hamburgersforever1432 (talk) 02:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DHS is growing rapidly (may be 45,000 residents now, close to Palm Springs) during a recent real estate boom, due to being very low cost housing for a "metropolitan" part of California, comparable to Victorville (also one of the worst cities in the state) which isn't really urban either, more like suburban not attached to a bigger city (DHS to Palm Springs, Victorville to San Bernardino). DHS may be the 6th most populous city in the Palm Springs area: Indio, Cathedral City, Coachella, Palm Desert and La Quinta all surpassed Palm Springs, 1990-2010. And like Indio, Cathedral City, Coachella and 8 cities of the Imperial Valley, DHS is in the top 12 most Hispanic/Latino cities (now at 75%). + 2605:E000:100D:E482:5403:A4BE:7DE5:74CE (talk) 17:49, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More on FBI Crime Statistics

Crime is indeed a problem in Desert Hot Springs, since California has been dumping parolees into Desert Hot Springs at a rate terrifying to its residents.

Crime in DHS is increasing, and violent crimes are up by 38 over the same period last year. (See The Desert Sun • September 17, 2009 Violent crime up: DHS)

Hopefully DHS's troubled history will become just that. It's no certain thing at the moment.

Pingnak (talk) 06:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crime is decreasing. We we're the only city of two im Riverside County with dropping crime rates in 2015. In 2016, it dropped around 18%. Mikeyb25 (talk) 14:56, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Palm Springs is a desert city in Riverside County, California, approximately 111 miles (177 km) east of Los Angeles and 136 miles (225 km) northeast of San Diego.

To what extent is this accurate here, as well?

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 14:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Kingdom of the Dolls on-line museum -- WP:ELNO

I am one of the editors who deleted the Kingdom of the Dolls - Online Virtual Museum (DHS Historical Website) as an EL. Unfortunately, sock-puppet editors persisted in re-instating the EL. The reasons for the EL deletion are simple and clear. The building in which the museum was once housed is gone. As such it is no longer a DHS "landmark" (if ever) and, per WP:ELNO guidance, not appropriate as a link.--S. Rich (talk) 02:35, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Right there with you. Has nothing to do whatsover with the history of DHS. Call on me if you need backup. --Manway 05:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard of the place, either. Interesting, though. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Marijuana trade

John from Idegon took issue with edit 748047212 for reasons which I am unclear about, apparently objecting to the two sources (the BBC and the LA Times) and thinking that it should be merged into an existing section rather than standing alone, despite the existence of the sections "Boutique hotels and spas" and "Modernist architecture". Possibly some new section with a name like "commerce" needs to be created?  Card Zero  (talk) 14:42, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to the first part being added to the history section. My objection is to the seperate section and to using the single source to attribute an "economic boom". It's too soon to make any statements on the economic impact. We're supposed to take a long view here. John from Idegon (talk) 18:10, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is Mike Tyson starting his cannabis tourist ranch hotel in Desert Hot Springs? I think so, he should be considered a local resident too. 2605:E000:100D:C571:8921:AB9A:1584:4730 (talk) 22:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Its a School District Hamburgersforever1432 (talk) 02:47, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The [edit by IAbot] to select an archive link for hildamgray.com, as the domain was usurped around the end of 2012.

A good one is the wayback archive dated 2013-10-12.

The article supports Hilda Gray having homesteaded in this area prior to Cabot, but does not clearly indicate her homestead was the first in the area.

It also states that she "established" the homestead in 1909, not in 1908 as stated in the WP article.

The city hosts this one-page history credited to Desert Hot Springs Historical Society, claiming Hilda Gray was in fact the first person to live there. Other sites do support that she was the first person to live there, but verification is needed to establish that those were not based on this WP article.

(I plan on making the relevant changes but am saving these notes for now. If you have some observations to contribute, please add them.) Fabrickator (talk) 18:15, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. Netherzone (talk) 19:10, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

early settlers

"Desert Hot Springs (Images of America series)", content credited to the Desert Hot Springs Historical Society, includes the following entries in its chronology:

  • 1908: Jack Riley, first homesteader to establish claim in Desert Hot Springs
  • 1912: Ethel Rouse establishes first school (near Seven Palms)
  • 1913: Cabot Yerxa arrives with Bob Carr to establish homestead on Miracle Hill

Elsewhere, it states: "By 1912, Hilda M. Gray was living on a homestead ..." in the area.

The archived hildamgray.com web site states that in 1909, Gray established her first homestead in the area, and that Cabot acknowledged that she had been living there before he got there.

At first glance, these bits of information seem to conflict with the following statements in 22 November 2019 revision:

  • Gray was the first homesteader in the area of the city of Desert Hot Springs.
  • Gray staked her claim in 1908.

This archived page from DHS Historical Society claims Gray was the first person "to actually live" in the area, while Jack Riley was reportedly "the first white man to set foot" there. It also states that Gray moved to Arcadia after homestead for 4 years (but the homestead deed generally required 5 years). OTOH, if she actually arrived (presuming she promptly filed for homesteading) in 1909, then 4 years would have been up when Cabot arrived.

This source: [Hidden Waters Spas of Desert Hot Springs] dates Gray as having discovered water in the area in 1909.

Setting this aside for the moment. Fabrickator (talk) 20:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]




Fabrickator (talk) 20:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

revert of claim about 1868

Pending further investigation, I've reverted the edit that was based on the following paragraph from the cited San Diego Tribune story: 

A government survey party recorded mineral water springs in 1868 in what is now the city of Desert Hot Springs. A source of drinking water for indigenous peoples of centuries past, the spring was located at the foot of the two “bunches of palms,” now the site of the exclusive Two Bunch Palms Resort and Spa.

I'm quite skeptical about this claim. I have been unable to find any other reports that confirm the above paragraph, while at the same time, it seems to be inconsistent with other reports about the discovery of the springs in Desert Hot Springs. This provides some reason to suspect that the newspaper story may not have been that well-researched. Fabrickator (talk) 04:45, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Enough time has passed to check out the verifiable WP:V, reliable source WP:RS – The San Diego Union Tribune (major newspaper for San Diego). The article clearly states that the Desert Hot Springs mineral springs were first recorded by a government survey party in 1868. I will be re-adding this information, and the citation that was deleted to the article. Netherzone (talk) 20:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone: I apologize for the delay in posting any update on this. As I indicated, I had identified inconsistencies, and was hoping to find something which would clear things up. With regard to a government survey party, I have the following:
      • San Diego Union-Tribune (2012): "a government survey party recorded mineral water springs in 1868"
      • New York Times (1993): "... a United States Army Camel Corps survey team came upon [the area] in 1907. The team's members saw two adjacent groves of palm trees on a rising hill, and called the area 'Two Bunches of Palms.' When the survey map was published, the land became "Two Bunch Palms."
      • Orange Coast Magazine (1985): "Two Bunch Palms was named by a contingent of U.S. Army Camel Corps who spotted two groups of palms flourishing in the hot springs' water on a map and survey expedition back in 1907."
The reality is each of these sources is flawed, and quite dubious as a reliable source. For one thing, the reliability of such publications is based on an expectation that they are reporting on contemporaneous stories. If that's not the case, if they're just reprinting information from some other source, then what do we know about the reliability of that source? Even worse, each of these is published as part of an advertising section or otherwise to promote advertisers related to the subject. These advertising sections exist to please the advertisers, and thus they are not subject to the same editorial oversight as the rest of the paper. They may not be lying, but they aren't verifying either. If an advertiser offers the writer what sounds like a good story, the writer will probably thank them for the suggestion and try to work it into the copy, without further verification.
The bottom line is that we have these factual discrepancies, and no reason to place much faith in any of these stories. Fabrickator (talk) 07:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fabrickator You seem to feel very strongly about the fact that the San Diego Union Tribune and other sources are less credible than your own personal opinion. There are significantly more pressing issues for me to deal with at this time. Netherzone (talk) 22:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Netherzone The general principle is we want to be very careful that we only publish accurate (a.k.a. verifiable) information in Wikipedia. Otherwise, statements published as fact in Wikipedia get picked up and passed around, and later on, it becomes considerably more difficult to figure out (i.e. from sources published later) whether these other sources are based on actually accurate information or they have simply re-published what's in Wikipedia. (I'm a little perplexed ... it seems that you want to suggest that my personal opinion that "we're not sure" is unreasonable, when we have at least two presumably reliable sources, and you want to accept that one of those is accurate, based on your personal opinion, that the other one is inaccurate.)
I will just go ahead and remove the disputed content for now, it can always be re-introduced when it's apparent that we have a credible source of information, or if we can't reach agreement on that, we can attempt some form of dispute resolution. Fabrickator (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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