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Old talk

Is Tatar language also official in Bashkortostan? I was trying to give the name of the republics in English plus in all official languages of the republic. If Tatar is not an official language of Bashkortostan, then the Tatar name of the republic should probably be moved to the "Misc" section, if mentioned at all. If it is an official language, then the Tatar variant can stay in the introduction.--Ezhiki 17:24, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Tatar Language is not an official language in Bashkortostan.

Forged demographics numbers

"It is believed that during the census of 2002 some information was forged, especially the numbers of Tatars and Bashkirs."

In what way the numbers were skewed? And are there any references for this statement? int19h 16:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There used to be a link in the article, which I have restored. The text it leads to is in Russian, though.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 12:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The source you give is certainly interesting, but hardly looks impartial - isn't it a Tatar nationalist portal? I think that "it is believed" is too strong a statement, especially as it is not the common opinion in Russia, to the best to my knowledge. "It is believed by many (some?) Tatars ..." would probably be better. int19h 12:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to change it the way you see fit. Originally, it was an assertive statement (something like "the numbers WERE forged!"), which I toned down a little by adding "it is believed" and requesting a citation. If you think it is still not neutral enough, go ahead and edit it further.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 13:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done, and I also clarified the claim while I was at it. Hopefully the user who put it there in the first place will not have any objections. int19h 14:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Başkurds are turkic nation but i cant see it here like turk ,turkic

Başkurds are turkic nation but i cant see it here like turk ,turkic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.227.104.239 (talk) 17:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meaningless?

"The head of government in Bashkortostan is the President, who is set by a President of Russian Federation for a four-year term." What does "who is set" mean?

It means "appointed". I have corrected the sentence. Thanks for pointing this out!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:33, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Just to re-emphasize: why doesn't this article say anything about the turks?

I wish I had some references to throw at ya'll but mine are all in Turkish. In the historical part of this article we jump from the bronze age to the 9th century. A long part of this gap is when the Turks decend from the altai mountains and make their mark on central Asia. As far as the language, Bashkir is a Turkic language. The word Bashkortostan is even Turkic. Bash (baş) means head (both literally and figurativly e.g. başkan means president) and kort (kurt) means wolf (old legeands say that turks are decended from wolves, or explain a very Romulous and Remus like story), so Bashkort basically means very very old school turks. Again sorry for the lack of back up. 78.190.79.44 (talk) 22:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)quixotholic[reply]

As long as the references you have are verifiable, it doesn't matter which language they are in. Turkish is fine, although English, of course, would be better.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:58, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Independence?

I've heard it said, though I don't remember where, that the break up of the former Soviet Union is incomplete, and that if it begins again it is likely to start in Bashkortostan. (If I rediscover the reference I'll come back and add it.) Does anyone know if there is any reality in this assertion? Or is it nonsense? This is nothing in the article about any separatist or independence movements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.128.172 (talk) 15:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt it very much. More likely it would start in the North Caucasus, where we have very serious troubles already. As far as I know, and I myself was born and raised there, the local population (don't forget that the Russians are still majority there) is either loyal or indifferent. The heads of this 'republic' are more like the mere puppets of central federal government.Пропп (talk) 00:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History

"On March 31, 1992 a Federative Compact "On separation of authorities and powers among federal organs of power of the Russian Federation and the organs of power of the Republic of Bashkortostan" was signed. On August 3, 1994 a Compact "On separation of authorities and mutual delegating of powers among the organs of power of the Russian Federation and the organs of power of the Republic of Bashkortostan" was signed."

Er...very good. What does this actually mean, though? Skinsmoke (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The 1993 Constitution of Russia enumerated the rights and the responsibilities of the federal government, as well as the joint responsibilities of the federal government and the federal subjects (and whatever responsibilities were not covered by these two remained in the hands of the federal subjects). Prior to its adoption, however, the federal government and a number of regional governments (mostly of the republics) signed a compact which regulated the division of responsibilities. Upon the adoption of the new Constitution, the compact remained in effect except for the parts which contradicted the new Constitution. The intent of the 1994 compact with Bashkortostan was to clarify the division of responsibilities between the federal government and the government of the Republic of Bashkortostan. In 1999, a federal law was adopted declaring the supremacy of federal legislation over the federal compacts; however, many of the compacts are formally still in place and have not been abrogated.
Whether any of this, to this level of technical detail, should be included in the History section of this article, I have my doubts. A short overview of these events might belong, but spelling out the full titles of the compacts (except perhaps in the Reference section) is definitely an overkill. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 30, 2013; 18:29 (UTC)
Thanks for that (I think?). Certainly spelling out the full titles is overkill, and pretty much meaningless (it can be included in a citation, or explanatory footnote). What would be more useful is (briefly) describing the effects, if these are considered significant. If they are not considered significant, they could quite easily be left out of the section completely (as appears to be the case for most other Russian republics). They might be more relevant as an adjunct to the section on "Politics", which contains details of the republic's constitution, and which, superficially at least, appears to be quite well written. Skinsmoke (talk) 18:51, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The 1992 compact is most certainly significant as an event in Russian politics and is a notable milepost towards the adoption of the 1993 Constitution, but I agree that mentioning it in each individual article about the republics is too specific and of little benefit in a broad overview which the History (and even Politics) section is supposed to be. Tatarstan's and Chechnya's compacts at least stand out, but the rest of them were all pretty much the same. I have no objection if this part is removed altogether (others might think differently, of course).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 30, 2013; 19:03 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Bashkortostan/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

This article contains many stub sections. robertjohnsonrj 00:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Soviet Encyclopedia Now Russian Encyclopedia

@Регион102:, will we talk? Why did you return the Soviet encyclopedia? Potatite that writes Russian encyclopedia: В марте 1919 из южной части Уфимской губернии и северной части Оренбургской губернии организована вторая национальная автономия – т.н. малая Башкирская АССР (см. в статье Башкортостан; столица – Стерлитамак). In March 1919, the second national autonomy was organized from the southern part of the Ufa province and the northern part of the Orenburg province - the so-called Small Bashkir Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (see the article Bashkortostan; the capital is Sterlitamak). In 1918 were formed Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and Turkestan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Is 1919 before 1918? Валко (talk) 12:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Don't confuse Autonomy with Automous Republic. German Autonomy was founded in 1918, but it was begin Automous Republic only in 1923. Also Turkestan Republic formed in 1918, but status of Automous Republic it got in 1921. According to Great Soviet Encyclopedia Bashkir ASSR was the first Autonomous Soviet Republic in RSFSR. Russian text: явилась первой автономной советской республикой в составе РСФСР (link). --Rg102 14:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Регион102:, и что заладил одно и тоже Советская энциклопедия? Сейчас это Российская энциклопедия, на улице 2020. А не 1950 год. БРЭ, я показал, башкирскую энциклопедию тоже вы видите? В 1922 с присоединением терр. бывшей Уфим. губ., где проживала б.ч. баш. нас., АСБР была преобразована в “Большую Башкирию” и была переименована в БАССР.

А автономными республиками все стали одновременно. В 1925 году по конституции РСФСР 1925. До этого автономный областной союз. Правку вашу, отменю. Будите спорить дальше, будем искать посредника или обратимся к администраторам. Валко (talk) 15:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • From the fact that now is 2020 year, the date of establishment of BASSR (1919) in not changed. The autonomies listed by you were not autonomous republics at the time of their formation, they became autonomus republics after 1919. The Great Russian Encyclopedia doesn't say that the BASSR was the second autonomous republic. Your statement "all became autonomous republics simultaneously" does not stand up to criticism at all. --Rg102 19:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] until 1925, there was no such Autonomous Republic under the Constitution, it was an Autonomous regional Union. It is a commune, a region, and a Republic. 

В октябре 1918 в Поволжье возникло первое национально-государственное образование в РСФСР – Немцев Поволжья трудовая коммуна – прообраз будущих АССР и АО [центры: в 1919–22 – город Баронск (в 1919–20 Екатериненштадт, с 1920 Марксштадт, ныне Маркс); в 1922–23 – город Покровск (ныне Энгельс). 
 В марте 1919 из южной части Уфимской губернии и северной части Оренбургской губернии организована вторая национальная автономия – т.н. малая Башкирская АССР (см. в статье Башкортостан; столица – Стерлитамак). Валко (talk) 16:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again. Don't confuse Autonomy with Autonomous Republic. Autonomy is a common name for different types of autonomous regions (Autonomous Workers Commune, Autonomous Oblast, Autonomous Republic). Autonomous Republic is a highest form of autonomy and BASSR was the first AR. German Autonomy was established in 1918 as a Autonomous Workers Commune (not Republic). Autonomous Republic it became only in 1923. The GRE does not say that the BASSR was the second autonomous republic. Your statement that there were no autonomous republics before 1925 is an original research. You give links that say about Bashkir Autonomous Republic in 1919 and in the same time you say that there were no autonomous republics before 1925. I think this is disruptive conduct and trolling. We should find mediators. No reason to continue this meaningless discussion. --Rg102 19:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Валко:, I think the further continuation of the dispute on this question [8], [9] was exhausted. Thanks! Buekturan (talk) 09:05, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bashkir Soviet Republic was formed in 1919, since 1922 after unification with the Ufa province it is already the Autonomous Bashkir Socialist Soviet Republic, and after 1936 the Bashkir Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. Валко (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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