User talk:MrsSnoozyTurtle

If you would like help regarding a draft article, I request the following: 1) please place the text at the bottom of this page, 2) please include a link to the draft in question and 3) please sign your posts (place "~~~~" at the end). Please do not request a follow-up review, since there is a large backlog and someone will get to it when they can. Otherwise I may not respond to your request. Cheers, 1292simon.

Draft:ATK Mohun Bagan FC

Hi. Nothing is copied in the article. Some parts are taken from the club's articles. Since this is a draft, I didn't provide attribution. But, I can't understand, what is copied... ❯❯❯ S A H A 06:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

the website 'thesportsdb' copied the whole lead section from Mohun Bagan. the website also has put a redirect to the article and also CC3.0 license tag. I have addressed the issue in the draft talkpage and also in the discord server... ❯❯❯ S A H A 06:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi ArnabSaha. Thanks for the info. What proof is there that TheSportsDB copied the text from Wikipedia? It is not correct that drafts do not require attribution. Also, there is a special procedure required when copying between Wikipedia articles: WP:Copying within Wikipedia. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

1292simon, i didn't know that attribution is required in drafts. otherwise, I do... and the proof is that, they have provided the article redirect link, and the licensing (CC3.0). Also you can check any club, and they have copied the whole lead section. example 1- barcelona. now cpmpare it with FC Barcelona. example 2- east bengal, compare this with East Bengal F.C.. everything is same. ❯❯❯ S A H A 12:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi ArnabSaha. There isn't any mention of Wikpedia or CC3.0 on TheSportsDB page, as far as I can tell. Also, it doesn't make sense that "owners of ISL side ATK, the RP-Sanjiv Goenka Group bought 80% of shares in the club, with the current owners of the club left with the remaining minority stake of 20%" is identical in the draft article and TheSportsDB, but not the Mohun Bagan article. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 12:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

1292simon, someone moved that part from the lead section to history. see this. also, regarding the Wikpedia or CC3.0 on TheSportsDB page, can you share your discord-id, so that I can send you screenshot? ❯❯❯ S A H A 13:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@1292simon:, check the highlight part (highlighted in yellow) here. ❯❯❯ S A H A 13:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to be difficult, but the wording in both versions of the Mohun Bagan is different from TheSportsDB page. The Google link in your second message is not working for me unfortunately. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 21:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jan Gezinyus Dunning

Hi. Why did you reject the article? I translated article from Russian Wikipedia.

Dunning corresponds to WP:BASIC. Its activities are interested in Kommersant, Vedomosti, Delovoy Peterburg, RBK, Forbes. This publications not authoritative? --Livelovers (talk) 16:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Livelovers. The standards are different in each language, so articles in Wiki.ru don't automatically get accepted in other languages. I'm not seeing references from those publications in the draft? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 07:17, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Please, see section "References". --Livelovers (talk) 14:32, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

1292simon, I'm waiting for your comments. --31.173.83.94 (talk) 08:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Livelovers. Sorry I missed that. The AfC decision was because for the events that the article had sources for, they didn't pass the notability thresholds for a BLP. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 09:19, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

What sources not satisfied? --Livelovers (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Livelovers. It's not an issue of the sources being reliable, it's the events that they describe. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:14, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

What problems with the events? --Livelovers (talk) 14:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Livelovers. In my opinion, they don't pass notability thresholds for a WP:BLP. Cheers, 1292simon

The reason for including an article on Wikipedia is WP:BASIC or I'm wrong? --Livelovers (talk) 15:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Alen Panov

Dear 1291simon, would you be so kind help me with article, what have i do for make it better or you think that this is impossible post it. Thank you for your attention DIP UZH (talk) 14:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi DIP UZH. Thanks for the calmness of your message, I really appreciate it. If independent sources are found, Panov could possibly pass the notability thresholds for WP:NAUTHOR or if sources show that he was a central figure in the court case about local border crossing opportunities. Hope this helps. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 12:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi dear 1291 simon, Thanks for your help. Mr. Dodger67 gave me advise how to correct the text and put the tags, where citations need (including local border traffic trial in Hungary, EU) I found more sources in Hungary and Ukraine. Also i put more citation about scientific activity and philanthropy (Hungarian Academy of Science, List of his books, Maria Teresia Garden Square and other restoration project of historical buildings in medieval Uzhhorod). I found the full list of publication in ukrainian wiki, but i think it is not necessary to put all of it in this article. Would you be so kind check it in my draft.Thanks DIP UZH (talk) 13:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi DIP UZH. I see that you have added references everywhere that Dodger67 suggested, so if they are independent and reliable then the article should be ready to be accepted. The decision will be with the next reviewer though. All the best, 1292simon (talk) 07:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi dear 1291 simon, thanks for you help. Now i will try to re-publish the draft and hope that everything will be good. Sources which i found look like independent - national and regional level newspapers, websites etc, information agencies etc and official sites of the University and Academy, where this person working now. DIP UZH (talk) 15:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

The draft needs a reviewer who can competently evaluate the Ukranian sources. If the WP:DEPTH of the sources is adequate the draft is acceptable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:00, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear Roger (Dodger67). Thank you very much for your help. I do not know who can competently evaluate the Ukrainian sources. I found them at open space. They are articles from newspapers, web-sites, TV-channels etc. Some of them national level media, other - regional level. I also found the article at national headliner journal Ukrainian Week (Український тиждень), where this person was rated like one of 2010 "persons of years" (nomination Face of Ukraine), due to his job for Ukrainians at local border traffic court case. Also in fluent German journal on EU thematic called Die Gazette (#41,2014)https://gazette.de publish the article about this person and court precedent. I don't know if this important - in Ukrainian Wiki article about this man have status checked and prevented. One more time thanks for co-operation.DIP UZH (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Benjamin Okike

Dear 1292Simon, Below are your comment after the review of my article for creation: “The issue identified in the previous review was a lack of WP:RS, not that the sources need to be listed at the end of every section. WP:NPOV concerns, due to the author's possible COI.[1]” i. The issue identified in the previous review was a lack of WP:RS, not that the sources need to be listed at the end of every section ii. The issue of WP:RS iii. That of WP:NPOV iv. And of COI Now, let us take a look at each of the above issues as it relates to Wikipedia:

i. Below is the issue raised by Sulfurboy on the March 6 2020 as highlighted below:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners

The reviewer demanded that references in the article be cited using footnotes. Well, that is exactly what I did in the article I resubmitted, except if I do not understand what is footnotes. In that case, I will need your guidance as an experienced Wikipedia reviewer to do that.

ii. The issue of WP:RS The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. From the highlighted text above, the reviewer was only concerned about some contents in the submission not meeting Wikipedia’s minimum standard for inline citations and advised that I use footnotes for the citations, which I did, but it seems you do not agree with the previous reviewer. In any case, if you have observed some unreliable sources cited in the article, you cab point them out so that I will remove them from the article to be created. In any case, you can verify three sources from the links below: 1. http://www.naijamusiccity.com.ng/2016/11/open-letter-to-us-president-elect.html 2. http://www.academicarena.com.ng/index.php/news/item/330-uniabuja-vc-appoints-new-deans-directors-hods 3. http://www.security-defence-learning.com/cv/okike.php/ iii. WP:NPOV This article is written considering Wikipedia Neutral Point of view. I know the subject as a Professor in the Department of Computer Science, University of Abuja, Nigeria. The article is written with high level of objectivity. But that does not mean that if you have observed any information on the contrary on the subject, kindly point them out so that correction would be effected. iv. COI There is no conflict of interest contained in the article submitted for creation. Please, you can subject this article for further scrutiny. I want to thank you for all the efforts to ensure that articles in Wikipedia are of high standards. Nwankwoibekwe (talk) 16:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nwankwoibekwe. As a starting point, I suggest that the reference formatting be corrected as per the Referencing For Beginners guide that was posted in the previous review. I'd be happy to look into the other stuff once that is sorted out. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 12:28, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Mike Greenhaus

Thank you for your feedback on the article I created here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mike_Greenhaus I do not believe I have a conflict of interest; I am just interested in the magazine he edits and the jamband scene it covers and I noticed there was no wikipedia page here for him, though there is for the other principals listed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relix) I tried to find independent sources from a range of publications. This is my first biography of a living person, though I have added other links and information to other pages covering similar subject matter. Please let me know how I can improve this article and which sources are not believed to be independent so that I can remove them and make this article meet neutral standards. Thanks so muchCaryplace7 (talk) 20:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Cary Place

Hi Caryplace7. You're welcome, and thankyou for sending me a calm and polite message. I agree that there is no COI here, so I have removed that comment.

Getting a biography of a living person published is tough, because Wikipedia has high standards for these articles. The issue was that many of the references were from websites or podcasts he has worked for, making it hard to determine whether the notability thresholds were met. They don't need to be removed, it's just that they are not sufficient to establish notability. If you'd like to let me know which are the WP:THREE best independent sources that prove Greenhaus is notable, I'd be happy to take another look at it. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 12:43, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you once again for your guidance and willingness to take a second look at this biography. As I mentioned before it was my first attempt, so I really appreciate the feedback. Just to clarify, only three of the over 60 footnotes are from Relix and Jambands.com, the publication Greenhaus writes for. I chose those one of those Relix links since it reflects the current masthead of the magazine he is Editor-in-Chief of, a second Re;ox to show the breath of videos in their series and a third Jambands.com link because another journalist was talking about his history with the company. The over 60-plus other footnotes are from independent sources Greenhaus is not associated with. Here are a few articles from notable publications I cited in the bigraphy that show his stature as a journalist and speaker. I chose some of the bigger named publications but can also pull out links to more in-depth profiles city as as well.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-xpm-2011-06-02-ct-ott-0603-dispatch-20110602-story.html (Greenhaus is quoted as an expert source on music in the Chicago Tribune) https://www.timesofisrael.com/experimental-ny-rabbi-engages-by-keeping-judaism-honest/ (Greenhaus is quoted in the Times of Israel for his speaking series work and his speaking series is profiled) https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/events/2019/04/03/trey-anastasio-documentary-between-me-and-my-mind-nj-premiere-asbury-park-apmff/3351186002/ (Greenhaus' speaking engagement is previewed in USA Today) https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/culture/rosh-hashanah-music-and-spirit-for-the-soul-603090 (Greenhaus' is profiled in the Jerusalem Post) https://muckrack.com/mike-greenhaus (Greenhaus' verified Muckrack profile) Please let me know if there is anything else I can provide for you Caryplace7 (talk) 19:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Caryplace7. Sorry for the bad news, but of those 6 links only one of them (the jpost.com article) counts towards notability, which is not sufficient for a WP:BLP. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the note. I really appreciate your response and willingness to take a second look. May I ask what makes that link count toward notability and not the others? As I mentioned, I have over 60 footnotes and I can send two more over but I was not sure what makes one count and the others not count?

Would either of these count: https://glidemagazine.com/143243/writers-workhop-mike-greenhaus/

https://listen.thewhatpodcast.com/season1/the-bonnaroo-beacon/Caryplace7 (talk) 15:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Here's some good news at last for you! Both of those links are useful in establishing notability. Those 3 links should be sufficient to pass the threshold, so I suggest you add them to the article and re-submit. Hopefully another reviewer will look at it and approve soon. (the issue with most of the other links is that they were articles about other topics, with Mike only mentioned in passing) Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 21:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much. All three of these links were originally in the draft I submitted. Should I place them elsewhere in order to make sure the other reviewer sees them or can you write a note that the article has enough citations? Thanks again so much for all your help and patience. Caryplace7 (talk) 00:06, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Caryplace7. You're welcome. To make it obvious for the next reviewer, I suggest you put a comment at the top of the draft along the lines of "Here are the WP:THREE best sources regarding notability: ..." Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 03:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much I believe I have done so. Would you mind checking to make sure I placed it in the right place (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mike_Greenhaus) I just don't want to get declined again after all the work we just put in. Also, is there somewhere that I should note that you cleared this of possible conflict of interest? Thanks again for your help and have a great day I hope it gets accepted next round Caryplace7 (talk) 18:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

AfC reviewing standards

Your assistance with reducing the Articles for Creation backlog is appreciated, but please follow WP:AFCSTANDARDS when reviewing. A draft may not be declined (let alone rejected) because you personally don't like the citation style or formatting. Draft:Erik Stark, for instance, should not have been rejected with "Still does not use the 'cite web' etc templates" as part of the reason. I've overridden the rejection for that draft, but if you've used similar invalid reasons before, you should go back and correct them also. --Worldbruce (talk) 23:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Worldbruce. Thanks for getting in touch to let me know about the change to the review. Yes, I will be careful to not base decisions on citation styles in future. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jerome Precilla

Hi Simon, this is my first wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jerome_Precilla and it was rejected so I need a little help in understanding what corrections to be made. I am an entertainer, singer and actor from Trinidad and Tobago and I want to have my own Wiki Page. I will also like to change the name of the page from my real name "Jerome Precilla" to my stage name Rome(Entertainer) so let me know how I can go about this please. Thanks for your guidance bro . Regards JeromeJPrecilla (talk) 00:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi JPrecilla. Thanks for making sure that your message to me was polite, especially since having a draft declined can be disheartening.

Wikipedia strongly discourages people from writing articles about themselves. If you would like to continue with this, I suggest getting advice at the WP:TEAHOUSE on the best approach in this situation. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Phil Kelly (pilot)

Hi there, R.E: your comments in Phil Kelly (pilot). I am the author of the Royal Navy Day and Night book referenced in the citations. Phil Kelly is one of only 3 Royal Marines to be qualified fixed wing fighter pilots - an impressive and unusual feat for the Royal Navy. The only COI would be that he is the RN as I am, but this was separated by 30-years! Phil deserves his own page to show that in the Royal Marines - anything is possible. Thank you for reconsidering this. Best Regards Papapaptaino (talk) 08:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Papapaptaino. I completely agree that there wouldn't be any COI based on such a loose association, so I have removed the comment. Thank you for clarifying this. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Michael Genesereth

Hello Simon. I updated the draft, adding further references, of which 13 are independent. I hope this resolves the issue of insufficient independent references. Many thanks. Compulogger (talk) 10:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Compulogger. Thanks for taking my comments on board, that's great to hear. Hopefully a reviewer can have another look at your draft soon. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Lafawndah

Hey Simon, how are you? I am just writing about my submission, would it be possible to have a bit more advice on the evidence of notability? She has been mentioned on many notable pages so any help would be appreciated!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?cirrusUserTesting=control&search=lafawndah&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1

Thank you! Ayhale (talk) 11:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ayhale, I'm going well, thanks for asking. I suggest you have a read of the two articles that I posted in the review comment. If anything about them is unclear, please let me know. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ron Graham (author)

Hi Simon, thanks for reviewing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ron_Graham_(author). Re: your comments, I don't have any conflicts of interest and it's not a single purpose account – but on a re-read, I see what you're saying, it reads like a promo/ puff piece. I'll make the appropriate edits and re-submit. :) Thanks.

Hello Sir/Madam. Thanks for the effort to make sure your message was polite, especially after your draft was declined. It is great to hear that you will be taking the comments on board. Thanks for clarifying that there is no COI, I will remove that comment from the review. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Honey Bafna

Hello Simon, Thank you for your time with the review.Your comment mentioned that the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Honey_Bafna looked like that the author of the article(myself)seems to have a Conflict of interest with Zee Bangla. I am a first time article writer and am trying to contribute to Wikipedia based on information collated from local newspaper, interviews about Bengali Television actors or present and past shows and the involved cast.

Re-reviewing the earlier draft I do realize that it had unnecessary adjectives, and redundant information which looked fluffy. The details have been cleaned and the information has been written in more factual format that has been used for other Bengali Television actors on Wikipedia - For eg: Jeetu Kamal,Debadrita Basu etc. Thank you for your consideration.

Sohinimoitra84 (talk) 16:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sohinimoitra84. Thanks for your message, and for remaining positive and calm despite the bad news from the review. It is great to hear that you have taken my comments on board. Hopefully a reviewer will get to it soon. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 21:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:David P. Bond

Hello Simon, My "David P. Bond" page was declined by you, but I'm afraid (I'm a newbie to Wikipedia) I haven't found your comments or suggestions. I'd like to revise the page. What do you suggest? Best and thanks, Ron Roizen Ronroizen (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ron. The comments from the review are in the grey box here: Draft:David P. Bond. As a starting point, I think that the COI guidelines should be checked (WP:PLAINSIMPLECOI) and any relevant items stated. (Even though you have good intentions, disclosure of COI is important for Wikipedia to maintain a WP:NPOV. PS Sorry for all the acronyms!) Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 22:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Meraka Veedhi Telaga

You have declined my article saying it is confused about family names or street historu, But the name itself describes the artcile is based on the families living in that street. so a little history about the street also been included. i aldready deleted a major portion which only describes the past history of the street and only left the rest of the part to avoid confusions.I hope you will help me in finding my mistakes any further. Rushi1122334455 (talk) 17:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rushi1122334455. The introduction section is still confusing to the reader about whether it relates to a family or something else.

If you need help with the other issues, I suggest the WP:TEAHOUSE or WP:IRCHELP, who are better placed to assist (there are over new 300 AFC articles coming in every day, so the AFC reviewers are really struggling to keep the backlog from getting even worse). Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 03:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Anthony Dempsey (Rugby Union)

Hey there, if you could give me some pointers as to why my submission wasnt accepted, Ive been through the rules. Maybe Ive missed something?

It says "Several major claims are unsourced, WP:PROMO issues. Does the WP:SPA author have a COI that should be disclosed?" whats the WP: SPA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DirtDiverZA (talk • contribs) 02:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi DirtDiver. A SPA is a Single-Purpose Account, please see the links in the review comments for more details. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 03:21, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Anthony Hatwell

Hello, Simon.

Thank you for taking the time to review my draft on Anthony Hatwell.

I am quite new to this process, so please forgive simple-seeming questions!

With a hope of the article passing review in future, I wonder if you could give a couple of pointers:

Regarding notability- do I need to add more detail to the page to indicate why Anthony was a notable figure in 20th Century British sculpture/art? I see that you have suggested sources, which I will use, thank you.

Regarding the CoI, is there anything I can do to avoid that being an issue?

I really appreciate any assistance you can offer. (Larachomes (talk) 12:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC))

Hi Larachomes. Yes, it is important that the COI issue is cleared up as a starting point. I don't have experience handling COIs for my edits, but I suggest you try WP:SIMPLECOI, the WP:TEAHOUSE or WP:IRCHELP. Hope this helps. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 03:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:John Paul Eberhard

1292simon, I'm new to Wikipedia and trying to edit the referenced article. Is there someplace where you've provided specificity of what you disagreed with? Also, I will look into the COI concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baeber (talk • contribs) 15:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Benjamin Okike

Dear 1292Simon,

I have tried to effect the corrections as you suggested previously. However, I want you to still take a look at the corrected version in order to identify possible errors that may still exist in the article submitted for creation. Please, do not think that I am over bothering you with this work. Any further corrections would be appreciated since some of us are learning. Thanks for your time and patience to ensuring reliability of articles in Wikipedia. Nwankwoibekwe (talk) 12:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:European route E5 in the United kingdom

Hi 1292simon,

You said my article had to be declined again because it is 'undersourced', but I can't add more sources if there are none... It is literally a list of exits based on Google Maps. The general route is from the main article of the E5. I've made plenty of these articles, and I never had any comment that I needed more sources. I hope we can resolve this, because I put a lot of effort in this.

Greetings, Tijzemaes (talk) 15:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)Tijzemaes