Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Blackpink

Reformatting

Hi, it's up to me to format the page as BTS or EXO (examples) to make it a more compact entry. I tried to do it in the sandbox but I couldn't. Arianatoreblink (talk) 10:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Only FL candidates needs this compact format to be honest, this article is not even close since the nominations are heavily undersourced. And its too hard to update the article in that BTS format anyway, so dont bother with that, its a waste of time for now. See your sandobx, there are only 2 entries and the table is already broken, now imagine updating it with 30 entries, you need to move "rowspans" constantly up and down to the correct positions and merging the rows. And it takes so much time to even convert the entire article into this format to begin with, on BTS article it was done by multiple people (3 or even 4) and it still took the entire week and many many hours to complete. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

What do u mean “ Only FL candidates”? Arianatoreblink (talk) 13:31, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Featured list WP:FL. Snowflake91 (talk) 15:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

@DanielleTH: Did you only convert the old article into this format, or did you also change nominations according to sources and stuff? Because since the conversion, the numbers in infobox didnt match the numbers in the table, so maybe there are some mistakes – for example, Melon 2018 Artist of the Year was set to "won" which is obviously wrong since BTS won, but there might be more. To be more precise, the changes in comparasion to the original article are: Asia Artist Awards 1/6 ---> now 1/5; Golden Disc Awards 4/15 ---> now 4/12; Seoul Music Awards 2/15 ---> now 2/14, so a few nominations were removed apparently. Snowflake91 (talk) 21:53, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

@Snowflake91: I attempted to double check all wins and reorganize some things but reformatting the table was difficult (as you know) so I guess I ended up making mistakes, however, I didn't intentionally change anything from nominated to won or visa-versa. All removals of noms were intentional though, since some were repeats. For example, the original article has "StarNews Popularity Award (Female Group)" and "Most Popular Artists (Singer)" as two different nominations when all sources indicate they are the same thing. Actually, comparing the table all of the removals I did were repeated popularity awards... GDA 2017-2019 originally gave BP two popularity award noms each when all sources I could find did not indicate there was more than one popularity award. (Also, unless I'm mistaken, the SMAs were always 2/14.) Apologizes for forgetting to update the infobox. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 02:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@DanielleTH: StarNews Popularity Award (Female Group) and Most Popular Artists (Singer) (officially named "AAA X Dongnam Media & FPT Polytechnic Popularity" due to sponsorship) ARE the two different awards, one was won by Loona, while the other by Super Junior. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Snowflake91: Ok, thank you for clarifying that. I'll try to find a source that didn't group them together... DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 16:22, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Quick follow up, couldn't find any indication they were ever nominated for the award Super Junior won, not even from unreliable sources or the broadcast itself. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 16:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

It says that the award that SJ won was solely fan-voted, so there has to be nominations for that. Apparently it was voted on some third-party website and not on Asia Artist Awards site, probably some partner site, maybe it was Vietnamese / Chinese voting only? 19:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Looks like it was here... also region locked, so unless you're in China or Vietnam you can't see it. There might be some Vietnamese articles talking about this specific voting, though. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 20:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I tried with VPN to Vietnam and still doestn work. However, there are nominees for the "singer" voting, on the picture, BP was nominated and finished 4th. Also, here are the first round voting results or something, so you can use it on BTS article for nomination as well, as currently its not listed. And dont ask me why arent BTS in the top 10 in the final round, but in the first round voting they were 3rd, I have no idea how this works, since in the final round Super Junior had only 20k votes, while Exo had over 1 million votes in the first round. Snowflake91 (talk) 20:55, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for finding those! DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 04:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie and DanielleTH: I was a bit wary from starting regarding the "Music Rank Extra Awards", when I furthur checked it today, there is literally no coverage from any reliable sources for the same!! Even the links provided for the same awards in the table are from TouTube! Hence according to my knowledge it shouldn't be included in the table! What are your views?? CookyMooky (talk) 01:14, 4 May 2020

GWR section

While I acknowledge that from the ref article used it mentions that BP briefly held the title of "MVMV in 24 hrs" (for just over a week) before BTS quickly regained it, unless I'm mistaken there was no official designation of the record to BP by GWR nor any article printed otherwise stating so. BB did write that YT confirmed they took the record from Ariana, but unless GWR officially awarded them the title of record holder (they're not even mentioned in the physical print copy) can it still be listed as such? It's one thing to write in the body of the KTL single article that they broke the YT record at the time but another thing to list it as a GWR when no such confirmation was given by GWR themselves, like they did here when Ariana previously set the new record with TUN, or whenever any other artist are officially confirmed to hold any kind of record. If you search for Blackpink on the GWR site under the 'Records' section their name doesn't even appear, so I don't think this section should be here. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Instead they have to be put. The BTS and the Blackpink are the holders, so as you put the BTS you put the Blackpink too. ;)Ghostintears (talk) 08:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ghostintears: I don't think you're understanding me. Even though they broke the YT record as confirmed by YT, they were not designated the World Record by GWR. Read what the headings of the table say, "Name of Publication" ie. the body or publication who designates the record to the individual or group who sets or breaks it. GWR did no such thing for BP. Only YT confirmed they broke YT's record but they were not designated as world record holders by Guinness. So I don't think this is correct. Tagging a few other editors to see what they think as well, @DanielleTH, Alexanderlee, and Chiyako92:. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 15:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: We await their opinion. —-Ghostintears (talk) 03:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tag. GWR did acknowledge their brief period holding the title here. ("Previous record holders include Ariana Grande's "thank u, next" (55.4 million views), BTS's "IDOL" (45 million), Taylor Swift's "Look What You Made Me Do" (43.2 million) and PSY's "Gentleman" (38 million). Fellow K-Pop sensations BLACKPINK had a fleeting grasp of all three record titles for just over a week, with 56,700,000 views in 24 hours of their latest single "Kill This Love" which premiered on April 4.") Given that, in that quote, they are acknowledged as former record holders, I do think it should stay in the article. I do get what you mean, that the record was never published since they only had it for roughly a week, so I'd be fine with footnote attached mentioning that. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 01:29, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@DanielleTH: but you see that's exactly my issue. The "previous record holders include" sentence doesn't include BP in the grouping with other officially confirmed GWR holders. They simply mention in a separate sentence that BP had a fleeting hold of the yt records. To me that particular wording is important because it reads as more an acknowledgement of them surpassing the YT record as opposed to them securing a Guinness world record placement, since they didn't hold on to it long enough to be designated such. Like, the video records are both YouTube records and GWR records, so you can claim the title of YT record holder but unless you get official designation by the GWR body (having your name show up under the website's Records section as I noted above or printed in the physical book) then all it will be is a YT record and at best an unofficial world record. Dunno if I explained that clearer, sorry if I sound repetitive. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Ah, okay I understand. Thanks for the explanation. To me, GWR saying they had a "hold" of the record is enough for it to be mentioned, just clarified that it was acknowledged but never made official. It's a unique situation because it's rather rare for a record to be broken a week after it's set. For me personally, it feels odd to not mention it at all given it was covered by rather high profile news outlets and acknowledged in some capacity by GWR. I guess it boils down to the question of if "acknowledged but unofficial" is enough to warrant mention. While I do think so, I fully understand your justification against it. I guess I'll see what other editors feel about it. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)}

@DanielleTH: Just one clarification. I'm not saying it shouldn't be included in the article at all (in case that's how I'm coming across), but rather I don't think it should be mentioned in a separate GWR section as it is currently since those sections as usually for official, clearly confirmed records. A footnote seems the better route. In the lede, mention could be made of KTL's breaking x y z YouTube records at the time and supplemented with a footnote stating that while the record breaking was acknowledged it was not officially recognized by GWR. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree it's a tricky one. Perhaps a bit of explaining in prose in the GWR section below the table? As long as their is a clear explanation, perhaps even taking a direct quote from the above article, I think any option should work well. Alex (talk) 05:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I would like to again point out, now that BP actually have a Records section on the GWR website, that their only music video with official records is HYLT as evident here. The article from GWR announcing HYLT's official records mentions KTL's brief hold of the YouTube records for a week but KTL does not appear as one of their records. I really think it should not be in the table, but rather mentioned only as a footnote in the section. If the one week actually counted GWR would have listed it in the Records section. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Just dropping by, but I concur with you Carlobunnie, since the KTL records aren't listed by GWR. --Ashleyyoursmile! 17:57, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to make the change to the table. I have added a small bit of prose above the table to explain and added supporting ref directly from the GWR website. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Hi yesterday the GWR list on BTS page was updated, after it was confirmed by GWR that Dynamite broke the record of "most viewed YouTube video in 24 hours" as well as the "most viewed YouTube music video in 24 hours" and the "most viewed YouTube music video in 24 hours by a K-pop group". The same article also mentioned that how these records were previously held by Blackpink's How you like that MV. I just wanted to know that shouldn't this page be updated too (mentioning the daggered & active records seperately) as three of the five records were reclaimed by BTS. Adding the link for the same article [1] here again. CookyMooky (talk) 15:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@CookyMooky: I'm waiting for GWR to confirm the premiere records first before making the change. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Okay! Thank you for replying! Actually I was kind of confused about how daggered & active records work, so I thought maybe that GWR article wasn't enough to make changes to both of the artist's page & I should try & look for something else. CookyMooky (talk) 08:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Questionable awards in article

1. Busan One Asia Festival - non-notable, receives very limited coverage in secondary sources (we excluded it from the BTS article, I don't remember if it was ever in the EXO article as well but if it was it was removed also)
2. Hallyu K Fans' Choice Awards - non-notable and the supporting reference is a primary source. Unless you can find reliable secondary sources and write up a solid footnote proving notability it has to go
3. Joox Thailand Music Awards 2018 - unreliable source used
4. Kpop Starz Awards - non-notable, OneHallyu is a very unreliable source (see this list for reliable+unreliable sources for korean/kpop articles on wikipedia)
5. SSE Live Awards - replace the current source (vlive) with the direct JTBC article link instead. Additional secondary sources (preferably in english since this is a UK award) should be located for a footnote proving notability. If no acceptable sources (eng or non-eng) can be found this should be removed too
6. Music Rank Extra Awards
7. Girls Choice Awards - non-notable, general lack of coverage
8. Tencent Music Entertainment Awards

-- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Again, I agree that these are indeed questionable. Most of these lack coverage. --Ashleyyoursmile! 18:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Began cleanup: removed BOAF award, reliably sourced Joox awards section, reliably sourced 2019 KSA for now until I can properly verify notability. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Appears to me that Music Rank Extra Awards aren't notable enough, perhaps don't belong to the table? --Ashleyyoursmile! 04:01, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I haven't gotten around to doing any googling on that one yet to know for sure, though at a glance they do appear so. Please feel free to pitch in with the updating of the table if you're aware of something I am not yet aware of lol! -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

So extensive googling has told me that the SSE awards were inaugurated in 2015 (first winner was Paolo Nutini), are completely fan-voted, and are awarded by SSE plc, the company who paid for 10-year long naming rights in 2014 over Wembley Arena, thus resulting in its being called SSE Arena. Outside of coverage from SSE's website itself, media coverage of the awards over the years has been sporadic at best. For UK coverage, GlasgowLive: 2 articles (2016+2019), The Sunday Post: 4 articles Jan 2019, Dec 2019, Jan 2020, and Feb 2020, and BizAsia: 2 articles for Shreya Goshal's nom+win in (2019). There was some coverage in Scotland (I did see a couple other articles for older awards), and 3 Indian media articles for 2017 re: Indian singers who ranked in the voting top 10. Based off that alone, the SSE Awards fail general notability but I did my due diligence anyways.

Blackpink's nom/subsequent wins were not mentioned in any remotely reliable english language sources that I could find outside of kpop fan sites and kpop news-related blogs, twitter etc. My Naver search of 'blackpink sse' (filtered by date) yielded 22 k-media articles dated Feb 11, 2020 that were either verbatim rehashes of the earliest article (by Newsen) that reported them winning, or variations of it. Search results prior to Feb 2020 only reveal articles mentioning the group's performance at the venue for their tour. Safe to say the wins do not warrant inclusion. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Removed KpopStarz awards completely from table. No notable coverage in any language from reliable sources. Ghostintears you can update the Italian page accordingly. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:28, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: I just got back from vacation and I'm so tired, could you do it for me? Many thanks in advance..☺️ Ghostintears (talk) 19:16, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Well I didn't mean you had to update it right away lol, but sure I'll do it. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 20:48, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Hi, but did Blackpink win in Soribada? Why should I update the results. Ghostintears (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ghostintears: are you asking me if you should update the page, or why you should do it? Your translation came out weird, but no they didn't win the popularity award. Twice did. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Music Rank Extra Awards have received no notable coverage from reliable sources of any kind since its inception. So-called "official" pages (IG, FB, YT) offer no clear information about the company or body behind these awards, nor can any be found on the internet for the specific "MR Group". A google search yields mainly fan pages, twitter+pinterest posts, k-pop blogs etc. talking about the awards, and after the 5th page of results it's just scattered mentions of the search term words rather than the awards themself. Doesn't meet any notability requirements, removing from table accordingly. Ghostintears tagging you so you are aware. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Thank you for advising me! I also removed it from the Italian Wikipedia. 23:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Joox Thailand 2020 popularity award

Ghostintears please note that if you update a win in the table/topbox then you need to include a supporting reliable source that proves the win as well. The source for this award is for the nomination only. Either change it to one backing up the win or it will have to be removed completely. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ghostintears I noticed that you once again marked the award as won & added it to the topbox wo changing the source even after I told you how to make the proper corrections. I have found what I believe is a reliable replacement source and updated the table accordingly. Since you are responsible for the Wiki Italia vers of this article I hope you will make the necessary updates across there as well, including the ammendments to the GWR section which still inaccurately lists KTL as a record holder.

I can help you cleanup this page if you would like some assistance. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the page needs to be updated. Some nominations are missing, such as the Soribada 2020. --Ghostintears (talk) 07:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

And what about the non-notable awards still in the table that I pointed out to you? When I said cleanup I was referring to those, not adding in new awards when the ones currently in the table haven't been properly dealt with. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)