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Numbers for Spain and Germany

Those numbers are the part of the population with the respective nationality. But you can have German or Spanish nationality and not being considered white... Rickyjose (talk) 22:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The numbers for Germany are completely bogus. The number of c. 61 million are Germans with no migrational background whatsoever, i.e. whose ancestors have lived in Germany for many generations. The rest to 81 million population total are, however not "people of color", they are citizens and residents with at least some migrational background. This means, that if someone's father is a Polish man and his mother a German woman, he/she would be included in this group just as well as a refugee from Congo. Most of the people with migratory background in Germany are European, with the numbers of Turks and Arabs/Middle Eastern/North African nationalities coming second/third. Cheers,--37.209.98.151 (talk) 02:40, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Information box to the right of the introduction?

I think it is very American-centric to list countries with "significant white populations" and then list populations of countries that do not even use that identifier in their census equivalents/where people by and large do not define themselves as "white".

By simply listing countries with large natively European/European-descended populations, it is not being consistent with the rest of the article, which describes what white people are in a less essentialist way.

White is not universally synonymous with "of European descent"! These are two distinct concepts, that the article very clearly describes. But again, this is not reflected in the infobox.

I will bring your attention to how category 3, "Census and social definitions in different regions", predominantly lists New World countries + some Asian and African countries. So again, it would maybe make sense to list "white" populations for those countries, but not for places like Russia or Poland.

Finally, for comparison sake, the article for "Black people" makes no such implicit claims. It does not list a hodgepodge of African countries, the USA, Brasil, as "countries with significant black population".

The introduction acknowledges the "fuzzy concept" of whiteness, its social construction, its origins in colonialism and colonial projects, and its particular relevance to Anglos and Anglo colonies. Why is this not reflected in the infobox on the right? 173.177.201.128 (talk) 05:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The data given for Germany is certainly a gross misrepresentation of the source which has data related to "migrant status", but no data related to skin colour or "race". BTW: Please sign your comments. --Rsk6400 (talk) 05:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah apologies! This is my first time arguing for a more substantial change to an article. Still learning the etiquette. 173.177.201.128 (talk) 06:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I hope it was not your last time. I personally would like to see more of your contributions. Why not create an account ? --Rsk6400 (talk) 12:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, just made one :) Kananaskisarian (talk) 19:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is unscientific and full of blame, allegation and bias

I came here looking for the history of the development of lower allele frequences of SLC45A2 and SLC24A5, which caused depigmentation in some homo sapiens. I.e. the history, origins and development of white skin. This article just lists who is considered subjectively white, who isn’t, and why not. Social constructs, colonialism, science of racism, 300 year old racist theories, etc. Where is the actual moderm scientific data/history? Haplogroups, proteins, alleles, polymorphic mutations, genes, DNA?

The article is very subjective, and non scientific for anyone who is interested in what made some humans “actually” white (i.e. depigmented) and why. Not conceptually but actually. Why are these articles on human skin pigmentation so unscientific in an encyclopedia?

Keep the problems on racism and human segregation by all means, they are important. But heaping it all into the “White people” article makes it look like all “White people” are to blame. 2A02:A445:79E2:1:F8E9:4B4A:2FF9:EDFB (talk) 23:35, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the page on Human skin color, which is referenced in the first sentence of this article on White people.

n-gio (talk) 23:46, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

--2605:6000:1B0C:A9:345A:C014:6AFD:4755 (talk) 05:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)I agree with this[reply]

Article Name

Is it correct to refer to whites as "white people"? Whites don't generally agree on what the best practices of being a white, are. So as a result they are not a unified people. They are whites. If possible, I'd like to nominate the article name be changed to "Whites" to reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.238.93 (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a hyperlink to "Eastern Hunter Gatherers (EHG)" that links to the "Eurasian Steppe" article instead of the "Eastern Hunter Gatherers (EHG)" article that already exists.

It is located under Modern Racial Hierarchies, 21st Century. Yeji stan for life (talk) 16:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks a lot. --Rsk6400 (talk) 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is "White" Genetic?

I came here with a basic question and came away from the Article feeling like I'd been indoctrinated by someone with a political bias. VERY simple question. Is being "white" a matter of genetics, or not. Europe is a region, the caucasian mountains are a region. If they dug up a dead body from 2,000, 5,000 years ago, could they determine if it was "white" or not. Is there a white gene? Can people be said to have a percentage of white genetics? I get the feeling the Editors of the Article want to distract and redirect attention away from genetics and toward things like skin pigment, color and geography68.206.249.124 (talk) 19:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]