Talk:History of medicine

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External links section needs a careful review

For example, the histmed.org link is WP:SOAP.

In an attempt to de-escalate the disputes between myself and Rjensen, I may not be prompt in responding to comments here until the other disputes are further along. --Ronz (talk) 05:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

The majority of external links seems fine to me. Links to reliable collections of further or more specialized material directly pertaining to the article topic is just what one wants to see there. Museum and library collections are suitable for this purpose. (Couple of dead/slipped links in there, though) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Maybe some should be kept as appropriate per NOT and EL. The problem is that some are definitely not, and so blatantly that it gives the impression that the section is getting little or no attention.

Museum and library collections tend to being helpful for us as editors for verification and expansion purposes. But for the general reader, it's unlikely, especially when we're working with such a broad topic. --Ronz (talk) 00:59, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

The museum list helps users. Museums of medicine are designed to attract people interested in the history of medicine. They present visual learning experiences quite different than our flat text. The readers of this article are interested in the history of medicine (or they would not be here.) So now they know of places to go--the more that are listed the more likely one is close to them. Rjensen (talk) 08:09, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

So a WP:LINKFARM too without regard to EL, directing editors away from the many other relevant articles within Wikipedia. --Ronz (talk) 16:02, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I was bold and removed the links again. Given the discussion at Talk:Military history and [1], I hope this is uncontroversial. --Ronz (talk) 16:55, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I made a careful review and made sure they comply with wp:linkfarm and do not mislead readers or overwhelm the article. Rjensen (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I'd hoped we could avoid this. Consensus was almost completely against your "careful review" last time. I see no reason to expect any difference this time around. Please reconsider the situation.

If you can duplicate what we did last time, list each link and give rationale for it's inclusion, that would be a good start. --Ronz (talk) 17:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll revert if there's no further attempt to gain consensus per WP:ELBURDEN. I have no grudge here, and would simply like to get on with fixing these problems. If it would help, I will go through them one by one with more specific edit summaries as I remove them. --Ronz (talk) 16:39, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

threats of vandalism don't help wikipedia. Have you examined ANY of the sites? you have not commented on any of them. I note that you have zero editors' support--as opposed to me and Elmidae and the various editors who put in the links in the first place. Lone wolf attack. Rjensen (talk) 18:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry you've chosen to attack other editors rather work cooperatively. --Ronz (talk) 18:16, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Starting cleanup following NOT, EL, and consensus at Talk:Military_history

I started by removing the list of "Scholarly journals, libraries and societies". This is a simple linkfarm, and corresponding links from Military history were removed after our lengthy discussions there. Simply linking a journal, a library, or a society is inappropriate per NOT and EL. --Ronz (talk) 18:36, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

you are violating WP:LINKFARM = There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. Rjensen (talk) 19:08, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

They aren't "content-relevant links". They are links to related websites.

Such links were removed from Military history after the discussion there. --Ronz (talk) 19:55, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Nonsense--they are links that are highly relevant to the history of medicine. Rjensen (talk) 20:13, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Your arguments were similar for Military history. It appears you are ignoring that RfC. --Ronz (talk) 20:34, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I came here via a request for a third opinion. Thanks for asking. The problem with a list of scholarly journals, libraries and societies is that although the list might seem a reasonable length now, there are dozens of similar websites from around the world that are equally relevant and useful to the reader. For really obscure topics where the number of relevant external websites is very small, it can be good to list them all. But those really are the practical choices - list all of them or list dozens of them. Obviously, we can't list dozens here so my view is that we should list none. Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 19:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd like to assume that we can remove the links at this point, as there's no consensus for inclusion. --Ronz (talk) 17:31, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I think so. WP:Consensus says that if there is no consensus on whether to include an external link, it is usually removed. I suggest copying them to the Talk page as they might be useful as sources. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 21:57, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for your help. --Ronz (talk) 17:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Removed from article: Scholarly journals, libraries and societies

These appear useful for finding further references and resources for improvements to this article, as discussed above. --Ronz (talk) 17:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

• Journal of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences since 1946
• Medical History open access scholarly journal; quarterly since 1957
• American Association for the History of Medicine,
• History of Medicine, United States National Library of Medicine
• Medical Heritage Library the Medical Heritage Library uses grants from major foundations to digitize the most important resources

Dubious claim ("...The Indians introduced...")

The introduction includes a claim about the historical role of ancient Indian medicine. Not only do I instinctively doubt the accuracy of it, but it is also without any reference to back it up.

My spontanous idea was that this was contributed by someone with affinities to Hindutva and related ideologies.

Unless it should be supported by clear statements from reliable and convincing sources, the sentence needs to be either modified/reworded, or completely removed. --129.206.185.172 (talk) 10:51, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Most inaccesible sentence in Wikipedia history

I'm guessing that this sentence means something. I haven't the foggiest what it is: "Much of the philosophy of traditional Chinese medicine derived from empirical observations of disease and illness by Taoist physicians and reflects the classical Chinese belief that individual human experiences express causative principles effective in the environment at all scales." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wuapinmon (talk • contribs) 18:32, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Anachronism in prehistory section

Islam originated in the early 7th century CE. So explain this in pre-history section: "During that process the most primary way of treating a illness was to see the prophet muhammad and few others in the early Islamic community which used prayer to heal your sickness from the deadly diseases"