Talk:Iain Duncan Smith

Decision to whip vote against adoption by gay couples

I have noticed since the last time I read this article (which was many years ago) that reference to IDS's decision as leader to whip against allowing gay couples to adopt children (in 2002) has since been removed. Surely this information is relevant to a factual article about IDS and belongs, along with his 2012 vote to support gay marriage, in the same part of the article? A link to the vote and the debate in which several MPs mention the imposition of a three-line whip can be found here

2001 general election

The defeat of '97 was the worst defeat in 150 years. The defeat of 2001 was the second worst and was marked by one of the most disasterous single issue campaigns ever fought, which failed to arouse the interest of the electorate. I think debacle is a fair word for this. Mintguy 17:20, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Japanese ancestry

"Iain Duncan Smith is therefore one eighth Japanese." If his grandmother was Japanese that should read "one quarter", shouldn't it? Kosebamse 14:26, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It's his great-grandmother who was Japanese, so one-eighth is correct. Adam

Catholicism

Are the details of a Catholic not being able to advise the Queen on appointments relevant? >> No, unless he got the PM job.

United Nations investigation

The Huffington Post claimed in 2014 "United Nations Probing UK Over 'Grave' Human Rights Violations Of Disabled" (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/28/un-dwp-benefits-disabled-human-rights-probe_n_5727580.html); is this the case? Is the HuffPost a reliable source?

Iain Duncan Smith did not lead the Conservative Party into a general election

I have restored the bit that Duncan Smith became the first Conservative leader who did not lead his party into a general election since Neville Chamberlain.

I ask this fact remains and not get removed again.

If it gets removed again, I will come back here to list the Conservative leaders between Chamberlain and Duncan Smith and list the elections they have fought. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 15:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Please be aware of WP:BLP, we must be careful to cite reliable sources.Billlion (talk) 21:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources aren't needed for well established facts.

In this case you are asking to provide sources for something that didn't happened.

I mean are there any pictures of Chamberlain and Duncan Smith campaigning as Conservative Party leaders at general elections. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 09:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Per WP:BLP. Alex (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I’ve re-added this, with a source. It took less than 30 seconds to find one from an academic website, which is what should have been done before it was removed, tagged and deleted again. - 109.249.185.101 (talk) 16:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry to break it to you but if you're going to add content to Wikipedia, it's up to you to provide the source, not anyone else. It's simple as that. Alex (talk) 19:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I am not the person who added it in the first place, I just saw the removal, know it to be true, and wondered why no-one could be bothered to check. It’s not about playing games of pointing to WP:BURDEN (yes, I know the requirements), it’s about helping people who don’t know the rules to add something to the encyclopedia. I’ve now wasted more time writing on the talk page (and explaining what should be an obvious courtesy) than it took me to find the source in the first place. 109.249.185.101 (talk) 20:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Just thought I'd point the requirements out and got a bit confused between different IP addresses. So yeah, all good, no one's playing games, we're all on the same team here.Alex (talk) 23:52, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I too did not put in the Chamberlain bit. I just happen to agree with it and don't agree with Alex B4's reasoning in all this.49.3.72.79 (talk) 09:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC) Also thank you 109.249.185.101. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)