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Spam blacklist Archives (current)→
 The associated page is used in conjunction with the Mediawiki m:SpamBlacklist extension, and lists strings of text that override Meta's blacklist. Any administrator can edit the spam whitelist. Please post comments to the appropriate section below: Proposed additions (sites to unblock), Proposed removals (sites to block), or Troubleshooting and problems; read the messageboxes at the top of each section for an explanation.

Please enter your requests at the bottom of the section and sign your requests with four tildes: ~~~~

Also in your request, please include the following

  1. The link that you want whitelisted in section title, like === example.com ===
  2. The page that you want to use the link on.
  3. Explain why it would be useful to the encyclopedia article proper.


Completed requests are archived, additions and removal are logged.

snippet for logging: {{/request|110854144#section_name}}

Proposed additions to Whitelist (sites to unblock)


hometown.aol.de/tmirabeau/TA_11C.html

hometown.aol.de is blocked. Could this particular personal site be unblocked as it's the only site I've come across that has info about rare Citroen cars, and I'd like to cite it as a source. Adrian Robson 17:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't read this page, but from the context and apearences it seems to be ok. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An ice hockey fan site

I wanted to edit the article on HC Pardubice, a Czech ice hockey team, but the spam filter denied me to do so, because somebody had included an external link www.mujweb.cz/Sport/hcpardubice/ . However, it links the article to a fan site of the team, which is relevant for the article and so I believe it should stay. Therefore I ask you to include this particular site in the whitelist. Jan.Kamenicek 01:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't evaluate this request at this time... company firewall blocks the page. I'll check it out latter when I get home. (mental note to self...) ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

chernobrov. and torsionfraud.narod.ru

Appears that narod.ru is now blacklisted due to spamming. Article on Vadim Chernobrov points to external links, a few to his own website on chernobrov.narod.ru (albeit in Russian). The other points to criticisms of his work on torsionfraud.narod.ru. There is no spam evident there. Please investigate and add the domains. Chikinsawsage 04:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't really evaluate these pages. I don't speak Russian and neither would load for me just now. I'll try again latter. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure you are at the right wiki? —— Eagle101 Need help? 17:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

xoomer.alice.it/kxqjfe/dialetweb/main.htm

This links to an Italian-Bergamasque dictionary. It is a useful resource for Eastern Lombard dialect. There are not so many on-line resources for Bergamasque vocabularies and this is quite complete and interesting. It is also useful if one wants to compare Bergamasque with Brescian, this last being used as reference variety in the examples in the Eastern Lombard article. Ninonino 09:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On what article would this link be of use on? —— Eagle101 Need help? 03:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Northwestern State University

Entry for editing this site is blocked for some reason. Please remove the barrier.

Billy Hathorn 23:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whats the URL for the page? ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 21:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yelena Zamolodchikova

I need to add the following link for the gymnast Elena Zamolodchikova: freehost26.websamba.com/Zamtastic

It contains many infos, news and results about this gymnast that I added in this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Zamolodchikova

So I think it is correct to add this website to the sources for that wikipedia page. The main news are here: freehost26.websamba.com/Zamtastic/zamtastic.asp?go=2005 freehost26.websamba.com/Zamtastic/zamtastic.asp?go=2006 but there are usefull informations about this gymnast all over that website.

thanx Ale72 11:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Ale72[reply]


Can I have a reply? That website is still in the black list! Ale72 11:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Ale72[reply]

I'm trying to clear the blacklist now... I'll get to it in the next few days. Sorry for the delay. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A minor note, the site that is actually on the blacklist is websamba.com. So I'm assuming this is a subdomain of this. —— Eagle101 Need help? 20:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that website is a subdomain of websamba.com. I hope this is not a problem. The best thing would be to clear the blacklist only for that subdomain (freehost26.websamba.com/Zamtastic) keeping banned the websamba server. I mean that on websamba there can be some websites that deserve to stay in the blacklist, but this subdomain is related to the wikipedia page so it should stay out of the blacklist. Ale72

Well I notice this is an "Unofficial website". Is there any relevent details here that we can use? Right now all I see is a home page saying that she was injured for 3 months, and that they wish her well... not exactly useful as a source or anything. I apologize for the delays in my replies, but we are slowly clearing this backlog... its down to 28 sections! —— Eagle101 Need help? 03:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like there are some interviews and picture gallery's on the page that might be usable as a source. I'm inclined to add this one, but I'm not sure. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 12:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hometown.aol.de/Stojanaurel/bluemoon.htm

This link should be Whitelisted: hometown.aol.de/Stojanaurel/bluemoon.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.19.221.74 (talkcontribs) 07:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI: see User:Naconkantari/sbl. The m:Spam blacklist listing that includes the hometown.aol.de domain notes:
--A. B. (talk) 13:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What article do you intend to use the link in? —— Eagle101 Need help? 03:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www . w9rh . org/Documents/MRACHistory2006.pdf

Unblock this please it is legitimately listed in a citeweb. It worked fine earlier today, but when editing the page later the block comes up. I don't understand why the page is listed at all, but since Dealing with the block list page requires a series of steps includign singing up with a username and password, I am asking this file be whitelisted. Anonym1ty 22:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please tell me on what article this is for? —— Eagle101 Need help? 03:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This was fixed already thank you. Just FYI the article was South Jersey Radio Association. This can be closed out. But thanks for the follow up Anonym1ty 22:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, this is  Not done as it was fixed by other means other then this list. Cheers! —— Eagle101 Need help? 05:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

blog.myspace.com/101566922

This page, created and maintained by Peter Christopherson, was previously used as a source for that article. Not having the ability to use this as a source hurts the strength of the article as it is written, and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be useful for future edits. --Jackhorkheimer 01:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because of the funny way myspace does things we will need the specific links your planning on using as sources so we can whitelist them. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You also might want to consider using proper citations, for instructions on how to get started with that see WP:CITE. Do try to make sure that you use reliable sources. —— Eagle101 Need help? 21:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I let jack know we were talking about his request. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 14:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sloche Brand Candy Site

I propose that the following site should be allowed on the Whitelist: bonbonsloche.awardspace.com (preceded by http://). I believe that visitors to the related Wikipedia article might benefit from and enjoy seeing actual examples of the candies. The site includes actual pictures of the candy packages - this is useful as merely stating in the Wikipedia article that the candy packaging is weird and was actually in one case banned, piques curiosity and visitors might like to see what the actual packages look like. These packages are no longer available for sale in Quebec so the bonbonsloche.awardspace.com website is the only place they can now be seen. Signed: 66.36.128.112 03:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC) (4 tildes)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.36.128.112 (talk) 03:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

So perhaps upload a few of the images as free images (if possible) or if not, upload them as fairuse, for articles that need the images. What articles is this needed in anyway? —— Eagle101 Need help? 03:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to grant this request. Even if we get permission to upload the photos to wikipedia we would needed to get it white listed to add source information to the picture pages. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 12:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ency. Drama.

I attempted to post a link to this site in the Culture jamming article. I thought that it seemed a very good example of the subject, as it provided satire and opposing views using the same format as that of the things being jammed. I was directed to a spam policy statement that had a links to further information. I read through a great deal of the material that related to the site in question, and see that there is great controversy with links to the site. Controversy is the purpose of cultural jamming. The article on cultural jamming will never be considered comprehensive as long as prime examples are prohibited from being discussed. Partial comphrensiveness does not exist, a body of work IS comprehensive or it IS NOT. Attacks are to be expected whenever a person or organization maintains a public profile, especially when that organization is widely known for urging participation from anyone who is able to access the internets. People who partake of public activities should expect that satire is part of public life, especially those who have accepted the public domain contribution policy. Surely there is a better way to deal with the problem than pretending that it does not exist. Sweeping a problem under the rug, especially a problem as hot as this one, will usually result with your house burning down.

My specific request is that the link, or some type of reference to the site in question, be allowed specifically for the culture jamming article. I do not care about the other articles and am not asking that the blacklist be completely listed. Fastplanet 07:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a source Encyclopedia Dramatica does not qualify as reliable. As an example of "cultural jamming" the site is non-notable. As a link the website fails our external link guidelines in five or six different ways.
Comprehensiveness? Perhapses I should refer you to the policy on what wikipedia is not.
I'm not even going to get into the ArbCom ban on any external link to the site...
For now, consider this request  Not done. This is not the venue to accomplish what your looking to accomplish. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neosmut.com

Trying to add link to www.neosmut.com - it is a paintball team and I am trying to add it [link] to the Scenario Paintball Team post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.51.14.44 (talkcontribs) 01:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(moved) Why would the article benefit from this link? Or is this a case that the linked-to website will benefit more then wikipedia? ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 12:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/cinelist.html

Trying to make an unrelated edit to Movie projector, this page hits the spam blacklist because xs4all\.nl\/\~wichm was added to the blacklist on 12 Jan, apparently because wichm was guilty of wikispam. This link does look related to the topic to me, it seems to be a fairly comprehensive list of film projector types, and there are no similar links to comprehensive lists. Jhawkinson 10:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Done on my next update. I don't think the list would really be a reliable source, but it seems to be a useful external link. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

oseculoprodigioso.blogspot.com

This site seems harmless, is not selling anything, has a very rich collection of artwork examples for famous and respected artists; the fact that the text is Portugese seems immaterial since all that viewers will want to do is look at the artworks. Additional comments from editors favoring unblocking can be found in the blacklist Talk]. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why the site should not be available in all languages. Please unblock from all languages. --CliffC 17:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to edit Keith Haring, but am holding off because I'd have to drop this link to an extensive collection of his works to save the article – a net loss. --05:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I have been blocked from editing 2 pages in the last 2 days on this - whats the problem. Illustrations are good. Johnbod 08:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the language of the site is immaterial. No-one was using that as an argument for blacklisting.
I'm looking into this further... It looks like the sites creator spammed the link across multiple language wikis using multiple IP addresses. Blacklisting was the only way to get it to stop.
I'd be willing to add a particular deeplink to the whitelist if you want, but I don't see any reason to white-list the entire page given it's history. For now I'm going to decline this request untill further information is provided.
CliffC, if you wish for it to be unblocked wikipedia-wide, please request that at meta, not here. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 15:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He already did, see this. —— Eagle101 Need help? 18:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[undent] I have been wondering how to request something at meta, and now I find I've done so already. But my main and perhaps selfish concern is to get this site off the blacklist for the English Wikipedia, whatever that takes.

When I noticed these links being added I issued a friendly warning here, but later that day it had grown to this collection, several more of which I believe were reverted by another editor, but I'm guessing he then went to the user page to issue a warning,saw mine and left the rest alone.

I don't follow every artist, only about 20 or so, so I'm not aware of any user beyond the one listed above adding such links. I haven't the tools to look for others.

If you look at my past edits, you will see that I am an unlikely person to plead for the life of a spammer; however I am asking that the site be spared the blacklist, in at least the English Wikipedia, because of its exceptional value as an art resource. If you surveyed a few of the regular contributors to the art articles this link was added to, I believe they also would wish the links to remain. Take a look at oseculoprodigioso.blogspot.com/search?q=matisse&x=76&y=7 as an example; there are several Matisse works shown there I have never seen before.

His links point to a different page for each artist, on the same site. Annoying as it might be to see so many links added pointing to one site, I'm hoping we can WP:AGF, this is an enthusiastic art lover who is justifiably proud of his site. Thanks for considering this. --CliffC 19:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do keep in mind adding links to a site that you own or are affiliated with can be seen as a conflict of interest. —— Eagle101 Need help? 20:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done though if you can prove copyright ownership or suitable license and undertake not to add directly but to discuss on talk pages, I'll reconsider. -- Heligoland 01:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have pulled this item back from the archives temporarily to add my overdue comments. Firstly, perhaps my defense of the site did not make it sufficiently clear that I have absolutely no affiliation with the site or its owner; a casual reader might think I did, based on the above reference to WP:COI. I am merely an admirer of the site's collection. Indeed, if we strung up everyone here who had a WP:COI we would soon run out of trees. Secondly, I have spent most of my working life learning which levers to pull to get things done in various bureaucracies, and I don't care to learn which ones it takes here to "prove copyright ownership or suitable license". Yes, I know, WP:NOT a bureaucracy. It's unfortunate that none of the admins involved have recognized the value of the site – repeating something I said earlier, "If you surveyed a few of the regular contributors to the art articles this link was added to, I believe they also would wish the links to remain." It seems spiteful to blacklist a valuable collection (admittedly one only housed on a blog) to punish a spammer. That's all I have to say, now I'll leave the issue alone. I lose, but so does Wikipedia. --CliffC 16:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok... I can accept the site might have a ton of value... but the point of the whitelist is not to undermine or override the blacklist. The whitelist is to turn the nuke that is the blacklist into a finely tuned tool. I'm more then happy to whitelist a series of useful deep-links if you want to provide a list... But if you want to de-blacklist the page, this is not the venue to have that discussion.
Blacklisting isn't done to punish, it is done to prevent further damage. Please try not do demean the entire anti-spam effort by attacking it like this. We can discuss this here like reasonable adults. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looking into this a little further it appears most (80-90%) of the images are in the public domain... however, some of the images (The Goat and the Flowers for example) are published recently enough to still be under copyright. The blog could probably qualify under a fair use claim however. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed removals from Whitelist (sites to block)



Troubleshooting and problems


Fiesta Patronal

    • I'm trying to add a link to this page, Fiesta patronal, but the submission is blocked because an already posted link contains the blacklisted "welcome to." Not sure what to do. Sorry, if this is not the right place for this query. Apirie 22:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last Measure

It is currently impossible to edit the Last Measure article because it links to a Last Measure site, which is itself blocked. I don't think removing Last Measure from the blacklist is a very good approach since it is frequently abused, but another recommended approach would be appreciated. For now I have simply obfuscated the link, which is also not a very good approach.

I'm not sure what your talking about chief, Last Measure is a redirect and has been for some time. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

END

Discussion

Archived

This page needs to be archived. Could anyone do the job? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Meno25 (talkcontribs) 01:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I forgot to sign.
--Meno25 01:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I archived the items that were completed on or before the end of November 2006. The archive can be accessed by following this Archives link (it also appears above at the beginning of the page).Chidom talk  08:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Backlog

Ridiculous backlog here... I'm working to clear it. If anyone wants to help, great! I'm adding (Status: Approved/Declined) to the section headers to make the process a little easier and I'd appreciate it if anyone who gets involved follows that convention. Thanks, ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 16:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey J.smith, I suggest that we not modify the title, but instead use the templates {{done}} ( Done) and {{not done}} ( Not done). This will allow existing links to titles (such as link#section to not be broken. —— Eagle101 Need help? 20:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've introduced a whitelist log, try to use it for when you log entries, instructions are given on the /log page. Its fairly easy, and the point of it is to allow easy ways to figure out the full context of why something was added. It is modeled after the spam blacklist log. I will be going as far back as possible and trying to log most every entry to this list. —— Eagle101 Need help? 04:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Eek... now it's gotten all complicated! :) ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how much more complicated it really is... I just find it easier to look up why we whitelisted stuff. The old method simply had the admin's name and who requested it... that does not really tell anyone why we added something. I stole the method from the spam blacklist, so I'm trusting that its tried and true, (go check out how long they have been doing it). —— Eagle101 Need help? 21:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh... and I've archived the page, we are down to 16 (minus the two "done" I left). —— Eagle101 Need help? 21:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New template

{{Whitelist request processed}} creates the note:

Hello! This note is to inform you that your whitelist request has been "note". More information about your request can be found at the whitelist talk page, the log, or the request archives if the request is older. Thanks,.

I figured it would be helpfull for communication. Thoughts? ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 15:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I like, its nice for some of the older requests, though for the newer ones, we should be able to expect the people to check up on the page themselves. I'm thinking of getting a bot to archive this page automatically x days after a  Done or  Not done tag is present. That way we can be assured that finished requests will be on this page long enough for people to take notice that something was done. I'm thinking the value of x should be something in between 3-10 days, ideas? —— Eagle101 Need help? 05:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and congrats! we are down to 9 more requests... I'm sorry I've not been as active here as I would like... I've been busy over at m:Spam blacklist. —— Eagle101 Need help? 05:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the older requests were what I had in mind. I was going to mass-spam this template sites we have processed recently so people know someone is actually paying attention to this page now.
I don't really know what to do with those Russian/whatever language requests. Maybe I can drop a request at the village pump.
This page doesn't seem to get a high-volume of requests, so 7+ days would be fine. If things pick up, now that the backlog is basically cleared, we can always tweak the time. I'd really rather avoid a situation where the page is habitually empty. An empty page, much like an empty tip jar, can discourage people from participating. (Did you know the staff will seed the jar with a handful of change and a few small bills?) ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 06:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If there are requests for other language wikipedias, best to redirect them to the proper wiki page. Like Russian should be http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist ect ect. And yeah best to keep some stuff on this page, rather than immediatly archiving. I did immediate archives to get this page down to something smaller... from 100 requests down to ~10 or so... we've done well. —— Eagle101 Need help? 17:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, those wikis can't approve white listing for this one. Not sure what good it would do the requester.
Yeah, we sure have. :) ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 17:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Mmmm I was more thinking that perhaps the site should go to the russian wiki article, as its more appropriate there... and that might have been the original intent of the poster.... Oh, and I'm taking the {{adminbacklog}} off of this page. I think its reasonably cleared out now. ;) —— Eagle101 Need help? 17:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]