Talk:Death of Marilyn Monroe

I edited the phrase "the suspicious circumsicions of her death" to Cirkumstances, since that is either a typo, or a delibrate misstake

Marilyn Monroe: Envious & the Most Class A Girl Can Have

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Why would she kill herself? Alot of people think they know, but they really don't. Know one know's why someone killed themself. It's a secret inside them that will never be let out. Marilyn was gorgeous. She had class. She had fame. But what really drove her to suicide? I dont know. And neither do many of the reporters who report "they know why".

       To all of you that have critisized, hurt, and betrayed Marilyn, shame on you. She was a great person in her time and still continues to be. She needed money and sought out acting and singing. She worked for what she did. So please, leave the poor girl alone. 

Marilyn: RIP. June 1st, 1926 - August 5th 1962

You will always be in our hearts

-Katya

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What was the total point of that? I think there was little relevence there. Next time, do something constructive. IronCrow 02:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

removed random unsourced conspiracy theories

I've moved the conspiracy theory stuff here, until someone can provice verifiable, credible sources for the information. Please see the sections on original research and verifiability.

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The death of Marilyn Monroe is surrounded with controversy. There are many different theories to the exact cause of her demise.

Kennedy connection

Most try to make a case for murder due to her connection with the Kennedy family and the sometimes strange and unprofessional relationships between Monroe and her psychiatrist, Dr. Ralph Greenson; the housekeeper he hired for Monroe, Mrs. Eunice Murray; and her personal publicist, Pat Newcomb, who was hired by the Kennedys immediately following Monroe's death. Suspicion also arises due to the fact that up to four hours passed between the discovery of her body and the phone call to the Los Angeles Police Department. Jack Clemmons, the first officer on the scene, claimed that when he entered the home, Mrs. Murray was doing laundry, Monroe's room was very tidy as though it had been cleaned prior to his arrival, and her body looked posed. In Clemmons's words, "She was face down, her arms at her side, like a soldier at attention, a phone under her torso." Clemmons noted that Dr. Greenson kept pointing to rows of pill bottles lined up neatly on her nightstand and saying as if rehearsed, "She must have taken all of these." Simmons noticed that no typical signs of drug overdose were present, namely foaming of the mouth and twisting of the body due to convulsions. The police report mentioned a broken bedroom window and glass on the floor, to which Murray claimed was the only access to the locked room. Also suspicious, lividity (settling of blood) in various parts of the body suggested that the body had been moved as well. Those who spoke with her in the days prior to her death would describe an upbeat, optimistic Marilyn.

Other men

In connection with conspiracy theories, it must be noted that the other women whom Kennedy was allegedly involved with, including Angie Dickinson and Judith Campbell Exner, survived him. Through her relationship with Sam Giancana, Exner seriously compromised both Kennedy and the presidency itself, yet she told People magazine that the FBI quit its surveillance of her - and left her alone - once it was apparent that her affair with Kennedy was over.

Bell writes...

The paragraph of quote beginning after the phrase "Bell writes..." finishes with the line:

God damn it! Hy gave her a prescription I didn't know about!

Can anyone check the spelling of "Hy" please and either correct it, or give it a [sic] tag, please?

Comparison to Elvis Presley's death

In the trivia section, it states that Monroe's death is "extremely similar" to Presley's death. I have two things to ask about this: 1) Why is this important and 2) Monroe died from a drug overdose. Presley died from a heart condition caused by years of drug abuse and an otherwise unhealthy lifestyle. Hence, I dispute why this "fact" needs to be included at all. Naysie 06:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. I don't understand "He excluded all he deemed morally responsible for her death." Can someone fix this sentence or explain what is meant?

"FBI Agent"

I've just removed a section that was titled "FBI Agent", and that read:

The New York Daily News reported on August 2, 2007 that Producer Keya Morgan had interviewed an FBI agent for his upcoming documentary who says he was sitting outside of Marilyn Monroe's house in a surveillance van the night Marilyn died. The agent claims to have seen Robert Kennedy and other men go inside her home at the time of her death.[1]

The NYDN is not a reliable source. If this documentary comes out and is taken seriously by the NYT or similar, this factoid can go back in. -- Hoary 01:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The NYT is a serious rag, I don't believe a word they print :). Anyways --Tom 14:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to brake the news, but millions of people every day do. They are the largest paper in NYC. You should not let your personals feeling about the paper get in the way of your editing.--Bobtoo 21:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

New York Daily News

The New York Daily News has the largest circulation in New York City, even larger than the New York Times. But I have seen this also on CNN and ABC news not only in the Daily News. But lets not make this about the daily news, it’s about the FBI agent and the death of Marilyn Monroe. Plus they have recently declassified hundreds of pages about how she was murdered. I think this is a VERY important discovery! Plus according to IMDB the people on camera are all official's some in very high places, such as Daryl Gates who was the father of the SWAT team and head of the LAPD for almost two decades. I don’t believe this information should be censured because of your dislike of the New York Daily news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobtoo (talk • contribs) 04:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The section claims that "The New York Daily News reported" such and such. It didn't. Instead, it printed a gossip column titled "New Marilyn death docu is in the offing". (Sample from the same article: Is Victoria Beckham already wearing out her welcome in Los Angeles? Sources say she has made herself unpopular with management of the celeb-friendly, press-shy Chateau Marmont. "She always lets the paparazzi know when she'll be arriving," wags a West Coast tongue.) The article uncritically reports on what "a New York documentary producer claims". This documentary hasn't been released. So wait until it is released and then see if it's taken seriously.

Bobtoo, your name was vaguely familiar. No answer to my question about someone you claimed photographed Monroe? Oh well. -- Hoary 05:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

New York Daily News is not a tabloid, plus if you google the producers name and the name of Marilyn Monroe there are over 350 websites, papers and stations and have reported on it. CNN, ABC, and IMDB.com are also not tabloids. I see it on IMDB.com under Marilyn Monroe with all the police and government officials that are in it. IMDB is very reliable and a guide for the film and documentary world. Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against the New York Daily News, but this is not about them!! It's about Marilyn. --USA1812 10:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It isn't a tabloid? Sorry, I'd forgotten. It's a long time since I've been to NYC. But hang on: the article about it says that it is a tabloid (though not an irredeemably crappy tabloid).

What makes you think that imdb.com is very reliable? (I was under the impression that for unreleased films it did little more than regurgitate press releases.)

Anyway, with all those 350 sources to choose among, you'll surely find a better one than some gossip column in a tabloid.

And welcome USA1812! I see that you're extremely new here. (You certainly wasted no time learning to revert.) -- Hoary 11:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Gossip is hearsay, unsubstantiated, etc. We should not be expected to accept a gossip column as a reliable source (and I think notability might be relevant as well). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC

Wait a minute, why is everyone arguing about the NY Daily News? This should be about Marilyn Monroe, the FBI agent, the Police chief of the LAPD, the CIA, and the conspiracy involved. I have a copy of the original paper when it came out and the gossip quote is not on it, plus if they don't place Marilyn in the Celebrity section, then which section would they place her. She was not a president, but a celerity. If the FBI agent said the things that have been reported, they are very important. If IMDB, CNN, the New York Daily news and hundreds of websites all say the same thing there must a good reason. FBI.com has hundreds of declassified pages about Marilyn Monroe. Let me guess, the FBI is also a tabloid according to you?--Bobtoo 20:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, Bobtoo, something substantive about Monroe might have gone in the movie section, the history section or the crime section. But here's the URL: www.nydailynews.com/gossip/bwiddicombe/2007/08/02/2007-08-02_new_marilyn_death_docu_is_in_the_offing.html (my emphasis). If IMDB says something, I suggest that the "good reason" is that this is a direct result of PR activities for this as-yet non-existent documentary. Where's the CNN story? And where's the hurry? Why not wait till the documentary comes out and its content is noted in broadsheet newspapers? Lastly, what happened to the Japanese-language evidence for your US-resident photographer of Monroe? -- Hoary 23:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hoary, you are obviously trying your best to cover up what many reliable sources have said and have some personal agenda here. I wonder why you are trying so hard to cover this important information up. Do you work for the government? Or are you a pro-Kennedy fan? If I get a chance I will post the CNN report on YOUTUBE.com--Bobtoo 00:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Just what is the important information, Bobtoo? That the FBI was close by when MM died? That might indeed be interesting: let's see that assertion in a serious newspaper, a scrupulously written book, or at the very least some serious part of a tabloid. But all you have here is that a gossip columnist says that some film producer says that some very old guy says that the FBI was watching. ¶ what many reliable sources have said You've airily alluded to 350 of them, but you (and the remarkably like-minded USA1812 and some IP number) have repeatedly provided a link to what just one unreliable source has said. ¶ My personal agenda is to cut mere gossip and trivia from WP articles. I'm sure that yours is not to add it, but I do start to wonder what it is: an unusually high proportion of your edits have been to articles that were later deleted, and they weren't edits that cast doubt on what was said. -- Hoary 00:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The point is your information is not true and incorrect. 1. The New York Daily News is the largest mainstream newspaper in New York, NOT A TABLOID as you claim. 2. CNN aired a 5 minute special about it as did other stations. 3. FBI.com has over three hundred pages pertaining to Marilyn Monroe and this case. 4. The Internet Movie Database which is IMDB.com the most respected and only mainstream database about the film world has a lot of the same details. 5. There are over a dozen officials according to the news and IMDB. You really think dozens of officials, producers, the FBI, the director, Chris Rock's brother, and many more people would let there names be thrown around like that?--Bobtoo 05:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed sources

Template:RFCbio User:Bobtoo maintains that the FBI Agent section presents important information from reliable sources. User:Gyrofrog and User:Hoary counter that the only attributed source is a gossip column, which they feel is unreliable. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 02:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Your information is not true and incorrect. 1. The New York Daily News is the largest mainstream newspaper in New York, NOT A TABLOID as you claim. 2. CNN aired a 5 minute special about it as did other stations. 3. FBI.com has over three hundred pages pertaining to Marilyn Monroe and this case. 4. The Internet Movie Database which is IMDB.com the most respected and only mainstream database about the film world has a lot of the same details. 5. There are over a dozen officials according to the news and IMDB. You really think dozens of officials, producers, the FBI, the director, Chris Rock's brother, and many more people would let there names be thrown around like that?--Bobtoo 05:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I am not the only person, trust me. Other than myself and "USA1812", there are many millions of people out there who know of the involvement of the Kennedy's and the FBI. It is about time the truth be told! You must be a Kennedy or government employ for trying so hard to cover this up.--Bobtoo 05:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)