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:{{ping|Vice regent}} Yeah, I removed that whole section. Not only is it [[WP:UNDUE]], it's complete [[WP:OR]] seeing as nowhere in the linked articles does it state that immigration has led to an increase in antisemitism. Only that some people harbor antisemitic views. We don't know if they are immigrants or not and to assume that they are simply based on ethnicity or religion is original research and POV-pushing. It belongs in [[Antisemitism in Europe]], and it was just copy+pasted from there in the first place. [[User:Kamalthebest|Kamalthebest]] ([[User talk:Kamalthebest|talk]]) 02:47, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Vice regent}} Yeah, I removed that whole section. Not only is it [[WP:UNDUE]], it's complete [[WP:OR]] seeing as nowhere in the linked articles does it state that immigration has led to an increase in antisemitism. Only that some people harbor antisemitic views. We don't know if they are immigrants or not and to assume that they are simply based on ethnicity or religion is original research and POV-pushing. It belongs in [[Antisemitism in Europe]], and it was just copy+pasted from there in the first place. [[User:Kamalthebest|Kamalthebest]] ([[User talk:Kamalthebest|talk]]) 02:47, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
::Also I just noticed if you look higher up the talk page, multiple other people have made the same claim. [[User:Kamalthebest|Kamalthebest]] ([[User talk:Kamalthebest|talk]]) 02:53, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
::Also I just noticed if you look higher up the talk page, multiple other people have made the same claim. [[User:Kamalthebest|Kamalthebest]] ([[User talk:Kamalthebest|talk]]) 02:53, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

::It is not "Original Research" and "POV-pushing". As can be clearly seen in the articles I linked to earlier, all Muslims in Sweden came here from 1975 and onwards. Attempting to censor valid statistics based on flimsy claims, and personal preferences, is completely unacceptable. [[User:David A|David A]] ([[User talk:David A|talk]]) 04:04, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

::In any case, there are currently recurrent reports in the news of Jews being threatened, feeling extremely unsafe, emigrating, not being able to show signs of being Jewish in public without being assaulted in the immigration-heavy suburbs, etcetera, so it is certainly an extremely relevant issue, that has turned considerably worse since the time of these statistics, and should not be systematically swept under the carpet. [[User:David A|David A]] ([[User talk:David A|talk]]) 04:10, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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The reference (note 22) to the statement "A government study in 2006 estimated that 39% of the Muslim population harbor strong and consistent antisemitic views" leads to a newspaper article which no makes no claim supporting the aforementioned quote. Either said study should be correctly referenced to, or the statement should be removed (if not corrected within a week, I will make a quick search for the study and if not found remove the statement). Sidospår (talk) 00:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Content Removal

Just taking a quick look at the edits tab, and it shows that data from several sections (such as 'Population of immigrants and their descendants' and 'Country of Origin' have been removed.

Several sections are blank and should be fixed.

Could you consider reverting the edits? I can see one that took away over 4000 characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.10.98 (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

POV-section

I have added a POV-tag to the section about the situation in Malmö with regards to antisemitism. This belongs to Antisemitism in Sweden and just copying it from there to any article about the same topic is not right. Summarize the content instead. --IRISZOOM (talk) 10:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do Swedish Muslims really hate themselves?

The article states: " 39% of adult Muslims "harbour systematic antisemitic views"".

Should that not read something more on the lines of "39% of adult Muslims SUFFER from systematic antisemitism."? Presidentbalut (talk) 03:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Immigration to Scandinavia Page

Hi I am interested in creating a broader summary page about Immigration to Scandinavia and the specific details of the conflicts that rise regarding access to the social services offered within welfare states and issues of recent cultural and racial diversity in nations that have historically been very heterogeneous. I am also considering adding a page on Immigration to Denmark since one has not been created yet.

Have any of you considered creating a broader page about trends in Scandinavian immigration and the similarities and differences in country policies? Do you foresee any issues in creating either of these pages?

Thank you Rloftis5672 (talk) 05:36, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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kurdish

here is wrote, kurdish people more than 83,000. why here is very more lettle ? Ibrahim aziz (talk) 18:57, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Various statistics that I have found

Here are various statistics that I have found. Do with them as you wish:

A summary of the political climate in Sweden:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-truth-about-sweden/article/2007071

Malmo, in Sweden, is the second most unsafe, and crime-infested city in Europe:

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region_rankings.jsp?title=2017&region=150

It was decided to open Sweden for massive immigration from the 3rd world in 1975:

http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/proposition/regeringens-proposition-om-riktlinjer-for_FY0326

The amount of women in Sweden subjected to sexually related crimes went up with 70% between 2014 to 2015:

https://www.bra.se/bra/nytt-fran-bra/arkiv/press/2016-11-03-utsatthet-for-sexualbrott-har-okat-bland-kvinnor.html

There were over 480000 sexually related crimes against women in Sweden 2015:

http://www.bra.se/download/18.37179ae158196cb1721ac8/1478089201798/2016_Utsatthet_for_brott_2015.pdf

In 1975 only 421 rapes were reported to the police in Sweden:

https://www.bra.se/bra/publikationer/arkiv/publikationer/2008-11-21-brottsutvecklingen-i-sverige-fram-till-ar-2007.html

To compare with 5920 the year 2015:

https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-statistik/valdtakt-och-sexualbrott.html

According to the Swedish police department, there are 55 extremely lawless areas in the country, and 186 in sum total. There were only 3 of them in 1990:

https://polisen.se/Global/www%20och%20Intrapolis/Rapporter-utredningar/01%20Polisen%20nationellt/Ovriga%20rapporter-utredningar/Kriminella%20natverk%20med%20stor%20paverkan%20i%20lokalsamhallet%20Sekretesspr%2014.pdf

http://www.dnv.se/nyheter/ny-rapport-utanforskapets-karta-en-uppfoljning-av-folkpartiets-rapportserie/

660000 immigrants are expected to apply for asylum to Sweden 2016-2020 in sum total:

https://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.2d998ffc151ac38715917594/1485556216677/Migrationsverkets+prognos+oktober+2016.pdf

11% of youths (non-Muslims were included in the survey) in the suburbs of Gothenburg admit to supporting Jihadism:

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/g%C3%B6teborg/studie-var-tionde-elev-st%C3%B6ttar-religi%C3%B6sa-extremister-1.3908356

80% of Muslim women in Gothenburg admit to live under the threat of honour culture:

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/göteborg/utbrett-hedersförtryck-mot-flickor-i-göteborg-1.3908432

A comparative study of criminal tendencies between people born in Sweden and abroad from 2005:

https://www.bra.se/bra/publikationer/arkiv/publikationer/2005-12-14-brottslighet-bland-personer-fodda-i-sverige-och-i-utlandet.html David A (talk) 12:23, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All right, so you are a extreme-right troll, who is able to collate links. So what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.233.194.217 (talk) 17:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am neither extreme right, nor a troll. I am a centrist who has read up on an awful lot of reliable facts and statistics, and has turned extremely concerned about Islamism, and the proven practical consequences of open borders. Also, Ad hominem personal attacks do not change the facts of reality. David A (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Self published source?

This seems like a self-published source. Secondly, it doesn't really talk about immigration to Sweden. Swedish Muslims aren't necessarily foreigners, some were born in the country (including converts).VR talk 00:05, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fredrik Sieradzki

Who exactly is Fredrik Sieradzki? This article just presents the opinion of one person. It's not a study or the opinion of a scholar.VR talk 00:16, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: Yeah, I removed that whole section. Not only is it WP:UNDUE, it's complete WP:OR seeing as nowhere in the linked articles does it state that immigration has led to an increase in antisemitism. Only that some people harbor antisemitic views. We don't know if they are immigrants or not and to assume that they are simply based on ethnicity or religion is original research and POV-pushing. It belongs in Antisemitism in Europe, and it was just copy+pasted from there in the first place. Kamalthebest (talk) 02:47, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also I just noticed if you look higher up the talk page, multiple other people have made the same claim. Kamalthebest (talk) 02:53, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is not "Original Research" and "POV-pushing". As can be clearly seen in the articles I linked to earlier, all Muslims in Sweden came here from 1975 and onwards. Attempting to censor valid statistics based on flimsy claims, and personal preferences, is completely unacceptable. David A (talk) 04:04, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, there are currently recurrent reports in the news of Jews being threatened, feeling extremely unsafe, emigrating, not being able to show signs of being Jewish in public without being assaulted in the immigration-heavy suburbs, etcetera, so it is certainly an extremely relevant issue, that has turned considerably worse since the time of these statistics, and should not be systematically swept under the carpet. David A (talk) 04:10, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]