Talk:2023 European Weightlifting Championships

Nagorno-Karabakh political status

Regarding your recent edit @Interfase:, this article is about weightlifting championship, not a place for politicising an incident into a scandal and giving it undue weight, and certainly not a place for complex wordings about intricacies of Nagorno-Karabakh political status. Let’s keep it concise, streamlined and cyclopedic, please. In addition, the political status is already explained in the blockade article (in a more extensive manner), there exists no encyclopedic value to mention the political status of Nagorno-Karabakh in a weightlifting championship article. Thanks. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 21:34, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

This championship is already widely known because of this incident thanks to Nikolyan, so it can be mentioned in a widely manner. Nikolyan already politicised this incident into a scandal. Also the information about the blockade should be given as per source not as per original interpretation of Wikipedia user. And of course we should add the valuable information about the statement of Azerbaijan’s Ministry of Youth and Sports[1], which said that the incident showed that “when such an atmosphere of hatred reigns in Armenia, security is not ensured, the normal participation of Azerbaijani athletes in competitions is impossible due to psychological pressure.” It is based on the secondary source and is important on understanding of the reason of Azerbaijan's recall. --Interfase (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Not everything that glitters is gold and not everything in the source should be on encyclopaedia page about weightlifting championship. For this article, it’s an isolated incident and should be treated as such - Azerbaijan recalled, federation condemned, man got detained. This is an encyclopaedia entry about a weightlifting championship and incidents should be kept laconic. NKR status is explained in the wikilinked article, clearly and in a more extensive manner. I’m afraid the things you are insisting on are what Wikipedia is not [2], see section WP:NOTEVERYTHING. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 17:53, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I do not claim to add all information about the incident, just valuable. The reason of recall published by Azerbaijan’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is valuable information as I think. --Interfase (talk) 14:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Did you read what Wikipedia is not? It’s not a place for promoting political narratives, neither a place for scandal mongering. Extremely negative views of Azerbaijan on Armenia / Armenians are well known, but this article about weightlifting championship is not a place for them. Same for NKR political status - there are articles about it, this article is about a sport championship, so let’s keep it concise and to the point please. Thanks. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 20:20, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Did you read what I wrote or not? The statement of Azerbaijan’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is closely related to the championship. So it is completely ally with the principles of Wikipedia. Armenian designer is a person who promoted political narratives in this championship. Thanks to him this championship is well known due to this incident as well. And readers should know the reason why one of the participants refuced to took part on this championship, due to hatred reigns in Armenia against Azerbaijan and psychological pressure. It should be mentioned here. Espessialy when it is stated in RS. And of course if we mention the current situation in Nagorno-Karabakh here we should give the brief and short history as well, so we should mention that this region was captured by Armenian forces in 1994 and was returned by Azerbaijan in 2020, or remove the information about the blockade. Interfase (talk) 07:01, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

1. I read what you wrote. Azerbaijan's government derogatory political statements against Armenia and scandal mongering aren't valuable in an encyclopedia article about a weightlifting championship, again SEE WP:NOTEVERYTHING. I do not see convincing arguments about the "valuability" of the pushed sentence, but I see signs of Wikipedia:I just like it.

2. Now that we heard condemnations from Azerbaijan, Armenia and European Weightlifting Association, that can be summarised in a single sentence, we have to keep Incidents section concise to avoid giving it undue coverage compared to the rest of the article. This is not a bazaar - blockade is relevant, as the incident is reported in the context of recent animosity. What was happening before blockade, such as the NKR status and wars, or the medieval Armenia and Albania, are well covered in the relevant articles already, no need for forking stuff.

3. Finally, aside from your recent edit-wars and reverts hiding the blockade [3], [4], you were also quick to revert a text in the article despite being notified of relevant policies after you reverted earlier 3 times in a day [5], [6], [7]. I respectfully ask you to stop owning the section you created, thanks. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 12:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)