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Hello. I found the current map used in the article quite problematic and inaccurate as it was using modern names for some cities, rivers, lakes. So, I made a new map that has its borders based on the map currently used on the article, but the city names changed to fit how it was at the time of the oblast's existence. If you have any feedback, feel free to give them. — [[User:CuriousGolden|<b style="color:#D4AF37">Curious</b><b style="color:#D4AF37">Golden</b>]] <b style="solid black"> [[User talk:CuriousGolden|(talk·]][[Special:Contribs/CuriousGolden|contrib)]] </b> 21:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I found the current map used in the article quite problematic and inaccurate as it was using modern names for some cities, rivers, lakes. So, I made a new map that has its borders based on the map currently used on the article, but the city names changed to fit how it was at the time of the oblast's existence. If you have any feedback, feel free to give them. — [[User:CuriousGolden|<b style="color:#D4AF37">Curious</b><b style="color:#D4AF37">Golden</b>]] <b style="solid black"> [[User talk:CuriousGolden|(talk·]][[Special:Contribs/CuriousGolden|contrib)]] </b> 21:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
:I will go ahead and add the map as per [[WP:BOLD]], if anyone in the future sees a problem with it, you can write it here. — [[User:CuriousGolden|<b style="color:#D4AF37">Curious</b><b style="color:#D4AF37">Golden</b>]] <b style="solid black"> [[User talk:CuriousGolden|(talk·]][[Special:Contribs/CuriousGolden|contrib)]] </b> 21:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
:I will go ahead and add the map as per [[WP:BOLD]], if anyone in the future sees a problem with it, you can write it here. — [[User:CuriousGolden|<b style="color:#D4AF37">Curious</b><b style="color:#D4AF37">Golden</b>]] <b style="solid black"> [[User talk:CuriousGolden|(talk·]][[Special:Contribs/CuriousGolden|contrib)]] </b> 21:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
:Replacing everything with Turkish/Azeri names is not using "modern names". Nice try. --[[User:Steverci|Steverci]] ([[User talk:Steverci|talk]]) 20:58, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

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Population statistics

The population statistics section seems overly large, and vague in parts, and without enough references. We are told that immediately before 1828, the population of Yerevan and Nakhichevan khanates included 25,500 Armenians. But ware not told the overall population. Why not? We are told that in 1832 there were 82,000 Muslims and 82,000 Armenians. This would seem to be a claim that the Armenian population has increased by 56,500. If it is a claim, why is it not openly stated as such? We are also told that between 1828 and 1836 57,000 Armenians migrated into the oblast. Why is the 1836 date mentioned, given that, based on the previous info, the migration seems to have been completed by 1832? That 57,000 figure is also contradicted here, http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/sas/bour2.html It gives a figure of 49,090 (45,207 Armenians immigrated to Erevan (23,568 from Iran and 21,639 from Turkey), and 3,883 to Nakhichevan (3,856 from Iran and 27 from Turkey). Much of the rest of the text contains vagueness as well as off-topic material inserted for possibly POV reasons. For example, why is it stated in this population section that the "Erivan Governorate (roughly corresponding to most of present-day central Armenia, the Iğdır Province of Turkey, and Rayons of Sadarak and Sharur in Azerbaijan's Nakhichevan exclave)" when the article is not about the Yerevan Governorate and similar wording is already in the introduction section? Meowy 21:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Ismail-Zade and Svante Cornell are not reliable sources. Even McCarthy who is anti-Armenian claims that this is baseless and statistically impossible. As for the Armenian term, just because Azerbaijani lobbyists claims it as historically Azerbaijani, it doesn't mean that Wikipedia should follow their rules. VartanM (talk) 21:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian pre- and 1914

It seems that the pre-1914 and during Russian occupation sections of the Armenian Oblast's name are the exact same. I may be mistaken, but I would like to possibly highlight a possible troll? --Justin J. Liu (Dylan Smithson) (talk) 02:03, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New Map

New map

Hello. I found the current map used in the article quite problematic and inaccurate as it was using modern names for some cities, rivers, lakes. So, I made a new map that has its borders based on the map currently used on the article, but the city names changed to fit how it was at the time of the oblast's existence. If you have any feedback, feel free to give them. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 21:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will go ahead and add the map as per WP:BOLD, if anyone in the future sees a problem with it, you can write it here. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 21:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Replacing everything with Turkish/Azeri names is not using "modern names". Nice try. --Steverci (talk) 20:58, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]