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Undue Information

It would be helpful if the anonymous editor using the IPs of 203.56.87.254, 131.170.90.2 and 124.190.116.230 would desist from attempting to add unimportant and undue information [1] into this article on English Wikipedia. It would also be helpful if the "anon" would not include personal attacks [2] in their edit summaries. Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) 01:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Calling you out on your Anti-Polonism is hardly a personal attack. Methinks you are just trolling (or baiting, looking for an excuse to block this user), as looking through the edit history, this has happened before with another Lithuanian nationalist user. Almost 20% of the population of Wilno is Polish, this is hardly "undue". 203.56.87.254 (talk) 13:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but your edit history concerning Lithuanian related articles speaks for itself. So do your edit summaries [3]. Removing undue information is not "Anti-Polonism". The city is in Lithuania. The cemetery is in Lithuania. Minorities aside, the information is unnecessary on English Wikipedia. This is only another instance of people with an agenda placing Polish language entries into articles concerning Lithuania. Cities, towns, villages, hamlets, "neighborhoods" of cities, rivers, lakes and of course any Lithuanian personage that they can get away with. Conversely many of the same people take issue with any attempt to use a non-Polish name (as they interpret the matter) when faced with such a situation. Btw, regarding "Almost 20% of the population of Wilno is Polish"... What's Wilno? Dr. Dan (talk) 14:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Usual trio Dr.Dan, MK, Lykoz removing Polish names form every article related to the Polish-Lithuanian heritage edit warring (see history) sadly...nothing changed in this department... more examples to follow....--Jacurek (talk) 15:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dyslexic people are amusing. Not only they do not know how to spell names, also they forget to check their EEML fellows contributions and also accuse people, who did just simply ceased editing, on their own misdeeds. Fotr the record - I do consider the continuing misspelling of my name as mocking and demand an apology.--Lokyz (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ummm, no, dyslexic people are not amusing. They are just dyslexic. And hey, they can (and in fact on average are) be smarter than non-dyslexic people. What this has to do with anything related to this article I have no idea.radek (talk) 22:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's about spelling. And about someone who does sing the old song again - the three vile Lithuanians, blah blah blah, and does not even take into consideration the absurdity of such accusations, especially after reaching some common ground how to include foreign names of the cities and towns in a way, that allows avoid unnecessary flaming, and especially after I've ceased editing Wikipedia at all for a month, until someone provoked calling me Lykoz again (actually User:Jacurek never did spell it correctly, maybe someone should give him guidance how to write it? Just to create more productive and friendly atmosphere here.--Lokyz (talk) 13:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on specific article controversy

The sad thing is that the entrance to this cemetery has a sign which is written ... in both Lithuanian AND Polish. And the funding for this bilingual sign was provided by ... the Lithuanian government. Apparently the Lithuanian government did not feel that including the Polish name of this cemetery, where a lot of famous Poles are buried, was "UNDUE" [4]. They were cool with it and even gave money so that such a sign could be erected. More power to them. But on Wikipedia it's a different story. Wikipedia Lithuanian editors feel that the actions of the Lithuanian government are "undue"... because?

It's a pretty good illustration of the "will the real Wikipedia nationalists please stand up" phenomenon.radek (talk) 04:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

English Wikipedia's editors have two only two questions to ask themselves: First one is it English Wikipedia or WikiDictionary? Second one is - how would casual reader benefit from knowing the name of particular cemetery in several languages (let's not forget, that besides Lithuanian and Polish, German and Latin could be easily added to the list).

It is Wikipedia thing really, not nationalistic or municipality's.--Lokyz (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, anyone wanting to know what the Polish name for this cemetery is can link up to the Polish Wikipedia article. Although the cemetery is in Lithuania you won't find the Lithuanian name for it at the Polish article. And actually it's not necessary to put it there either, because a reader there can easily find the information at other proper venues. Sorry, but this is just another part of an unfortunate agenda being implemented by the same people of placing Polish toponyms into Lithuanian related articles. This example was particularly humorous [5]. I think that's a better illustration of "will the real Wikipedia nationalists please stand up" phenomenon. Certainly you can find something else better to do. Dr. Dan (talk) 15:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sad to see this pathetic war still being waged - I thought we had found a solution (put the information in the article, but not in the lead). No particular reason for it not to be in the lead except that Lithuanian editors seem to be excessively sensitive about non-Lithuanian names for their places (maybe one day they'll realize it doesn't do the image of their country any harm at all to acknowledge that its places have alternative names, just like those in other countries of this and any other region), but as long as the information is reasonably accessible within the article, we can accommodate those sensitivities. --Kotniski (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Kotnitski, sad indeed. I too thought that this "solution" was the solution. But rather than focus on the "so-called" Lithuanian editors with the "excessive sensitivity", perhaps you can address this [6] edit. How would you categorize it? Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) 16:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Er, that edit is more than a year old. A bit younger than the five-year-old edit you presented me with last time you were trying to convince me that Wikipedia was under attack by rabid Poles trying to force Polish names in everywhere, but still hardly relevant to this discussion. (And even if your theory is true, which it no doubt is to some extent, that doesn't justify siding with the equally agenda-driven editors who want to take Polish names out everywhere - we ought to be cooperating to reach a sensible middle ground.)--Kotniski (talk) 16:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 Sad to see this pathetic war still being waged - I thought we had found a solution (put the information in the article, but not in the lead). No particular reason for it not to be in the lead except that Lithuanian editors seem to be excessively sensitive about non-Lithuanian names for their places (maybe one day they'll realize it doesn't do the image of their country any harm at all to acknowledge that its places have alternative names, just like those in other countries of this and any other region), but as long as the information is reasonably accessible within the article, we can accommodate those sensitivities.  --[[User:Kotniski|Kotniski]] ([[User talk:Kotniski|talk]]) 16:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 :Yes, Kotnitski, sad indeed. I too thought that this "solution" was the solution. But rather than focus on the "so-called" Lithuanian editors with the "excessive sensitivity", perhaps you can address this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C5%BDv%C4%97rynas&diff=312920439&oldid=312918142] edit. How would you categorize it? Thanks. [[User:Dr. Dan|Dr. Dan]] ([[User talk:Dr. Dan|talk]]) 16:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
+::Er, that edit is more than a year old. A bit younger than the five-year-old edit you presented me with last time you were trying to convince me that Wikipedia was under attack by rabid Poles trying to force Polish names in everywhere, but still hardly relevant to this discussion. (And even if your theory is true, which it no doubt is to some extent, that doesn't justify siding with the equally agenda-driven editors who want to take Polish names ''out'' everywhere - we ought to be cooperating to reach a sensible middle ground.)--[[User:Kotniski|Kotniski]] ([[User talk:Kotniski|talk]]) 16:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)