Talk:Edward Rydz-Śmigły

How did he die?

Any info on that? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:52, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

To samo pytanie chcialem tu kiedys postawic - nigdy nie jest opisane w jakich okolicznosciach.--Emax 21:46, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Umarl na atak serca. Jesli chcecie zobaczyc dobry (jeszcze nieskonczony) artykul o Rydzu, zajrzyjcie do niemieckiej Wikipedii. W waszej na tematy polskie wypowiadaja sie na ogol dyletanci, ktorzy do tego pisza po anglelsku z masa bledow stylistycznych (myslom, ze mogom i umiejom).

Uklony Benutzer:Alexvonf, www.wikipedia.de.

Niemiecki jest tylko 2 razy bardziej znany niz polski, obywdie wikipedie uwazam za lokalne ciekawostki. Przegladalem troche artykulow na niemieckiej wiki i sa czesto bardzo stronnicze. Jesli mozesz przetlumaczyc na angielski, bylbym wdzieczny. Pozdr --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:31, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

skompletowalem troche Waszego Rydza, ale nie moze sie rownac z "moim" Rydzem w wikipedia.de. 24 Mar 2005 AvF.

co to mam tlumaczyc na angielski? moje 300 artykulow w niemieckiej Wikipedii? to niemozliwe. Pozdrawiam AvF

Dzieki za rozszerzenie, moze powinienes zalozyc konto na en wiki by nie wygladac na 'anona'? Milej pracy na niemieckiej Wiki, ja jak wyjasnilem wyzej wole angielska. Pozdr, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:47, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

konto zalozone, duzo poprawek wniesione. Alexvonf

zastanowie sie. Wez laskawie foto Raczynskiego z mojego artykulu w niemieckiej wiki Template:Picture-PD, i wsadz do Waszej, jest lepsze niz to niewyrazne w Waszej. Tam jakis "autor" w spisie literatury ciurkiem pisal "Edward hr. Raczynski" - podczas gdy Raczynski NIGDY nie podpisywal sie "hrabia" - poskreslalem.

Pozdr AvF

Alexvonf = AvF zakladam? Jakbys rzucil linkiem do zdjecia, to chetnie poprawie. Dzieki za poprawki, pozdr. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:55, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Juz wrzucilem. Rydza tez podnioslem prawie do poziomu mojego niemieckiego artykulu

Pozdr User:Alexvonf.

Wspaniale. Ja tymczasem przetlumaczylem info z wiki-pl. Jeden detal: moglbys dodac interlink do niemieckiego artykulu? Ja nie moge go znalezc :( --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:35, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Interlink dodalem. Troche wprawdzie - wbrew zasadom Wikipedii -nie lubie, jak ktos wlazi w moje artykuly, ale twoje dodatki byly rozsadne. Poprawilem takze Raczynskiego i dodalem Lilpopa. Potrzebne sa mi uprawnienia do przesuwania "move", ktorych mi eng wiki nie chce dac. Ale nie liczcie na zbyt duzo wspolpracy z mej strony, angielski Rydz kosztowal mnie chyba razem ok 10 godzin pracy. Zobacz ile stworzylem w niem. wikipedii [[1]], chyba juz kolo 600 stron druku. Pozdr User:Alexvonf

Wiki wciaga - zerknij na moj user page, mozna sie licytowac kto wiecej czasu poswiecil na co :D Dobrze sie z toba wspolpracuje :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:53, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

tak, ale od siedzenia przy komputerze dostaje sie skrzepy w nogach, cos o tym moge powiedziec. Licytowac sie nie musimy, nie ma potrzeby. Pytanie jest W IMIE CZEGO TAKA MENKA? AvF

Kazdy ma jakies powody, a nawet kilka. Idealizm...brak 'real life'...wiele innych :> --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:58, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

moj powod to chyba "niescie oswiaty kaganiec". Teraz robie Krolestwo Regencyjne w wiki.de.--Alexvonf 13:56, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

name

If his father's name was Rydz how did he come to be called Rydz-Smigly? Adam 23:33, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

As the Polska Organizacja Wojskowa was illegal and secret, most of its members (and later members of the Polish Legions as well) adopted a nom de guerre. Śmigły is just that - his pseudonym. It basically means Fast or Agile.

After the WWI and PBW, many former Legionists permanently attached their wartime codenames to their real surnames, usually as the first part (that's why Rydz is often called Edward Śmigły-Rydz: [2] - [3]). This had probably something to do with the long Polish tradition of attaching the name of the coat of arms to the surname. See the article on Surname#Polish_names for details. Does that answer your question? Halibutt 02:04, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

It does, thankyou. I was going to ask why some books call him Smigly-Rydz instead of Rydz-Smigly, but you have answered that too. Could I suggest that these points be included in the article? Adam 05:26, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Read the article thoroughly. He placed Smigly before Rydz when he became Marshal of Poland.

--Alexvonf 13:09, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No problem. Halibutt 07:38, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Anon question

What was his involvement in the atrocities against Germans in Polish controlled territories? http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm

Dear anon. The book referencing the alleged atrocities was published in 1940 (Volk und Reich Verlag Berlin, 2nd. revised ed., 1940, 311 pp.). The above page (A White Nationalist Literary Resource) also justifies German invasion of Poland, denies Holocaust, Isreal's right to existence and contains similar garbage. Sufficient to say that the alleged 'Polish attrocities' never happened. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:24, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dear Piotrus. That some statements in a source are not correct does is NOT sufficient to dismiss all of the statemenets. Read up on "necessary and sufficient conditions". Your statement "Sufficient to say..." is therefore false, especially where it is the contents of the referring "above page" that contains similar garbage, and NOT the "Volk und Reich" book itself. In effect you are saying that any links found on a webpage that had garbage in it are therefore also garbage. That is flatly NOT correct.

Inaccuacies?

This article states that Rydz-Śmigły commanded the Lativan army in 1919. I do not believe this to be correct. Rydz commanded the Polish contingent sent to Lativa to help expel the Red Army from its territory. But I believe that the overall commander of the Allied forces in Lativa was the British general Harold Alexander. I will research this matter some more before making any changes.

Second, there is no mention of the fact that however delicately one may put this, that Rydz-Śmigły was not precisely Poland's greatest general. To be fair, Rydz was a very brave soldier and an able subordinate; his natural forte was command at the division and corps level. However, as commander in chief of the Polish armed forces, Rydz-Śmigły was promoted above his level of competence. To be fair, the military situation of Poland in 1939 was probably hopeless, and I think to blame the Polish defeat entirely on Rydz-Śmigły would be very unjust, but the point remains, that Rydz-Śmigły did not wage the most effective campaign as the job of being Commander in Chief was simply too big for him. I would imagine that some will disargee with this interpretation of Rydz-Śmigły and others may find this to be too POV, but perhaps a compromise can be worked out.A.S. Brown 19:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Rydz-Smigly speech in March 1939: Poland wants war... and painting of himself riding victoriously through Berlin's Brandenburg gate

Did not Rydz-Smigly hold a speech in appr. March 1939 (1/2 year before start of WW II), where he declared something to the effect,'that Poland wants war and Germany will not be able to stop this' ? How come this speech is missing in Wikipedia? There was also a painting in the Palace of Warsaw depicting Rydz-Smigly riding victoriously through Berlin's Brandenburg gate. Since he was a painter, did he painted that painting himself? There are a number of painting by him shown in this Wikipedia article, why not this one? MG

Hmm, where have you seen such picture ? --_Lysy^talk 21:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

painting at the palace in Warsaw MG 3/3/2006

Well, there's no proof that he said something like that but it's quite possible. In the early 30th Pilsudzki in his letter to the French head of state claimed that the situation in new born nazi Germany is critical and sooner or later Germany will be dangerous for peace. So he suggested that the best bet possible is to make a joint millitary action aiming at Hitler's regime. (Frence never admitted there was letter like that but according to Polish historians there are proofs in archives). Concluding, if Rydz-Śmigły said that, then it was due to the situation in nazi Germany. Since 1936 it became clear that Hitler was preparing Germany for war. In 1939 and before there were a few occurance like Austria annexation , Czech's Sudety annexation, Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, some territorial demands from Poland. These are facts. If Poland invaded nazi Germany, it (Poland) would be the bad one and the Germany would be a victim but...at least millions of people would have survived. Unfortunately Poland did not preventivelly attacked nazi Germany and you know well what happened next. PS. Being honest I do not believe that Śmigły really said that. In 1939 German army was the biggest and the most powerfull one in the whole world. He knew that. Attacking this "Giant" allone would be a suicide and Śmigły was not an idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.118.202 (talk) 10:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

There was a speech by Śmigły about war but it was totally different. He said that if Germany wants war then Poland will be ready to response to agression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.118.202 (talk) 10:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Rydz-%C5%9Amig%C5%82y&diff=next&oldid=11758223 hmmph.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.111.159.222 (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Munich Agreement

the article also leaves out the fact in the Munich Agreement, Poland was given the so-called Olsa area from Chekoslovakia; this area was immediately occupied by Polish troops. The description of the pre-war Polish politics seems to me also to be a bit of a whitewash (the aggressive stands of the Polish state indicated e.g. by the ultimatum to Lithuania is not even mentioned). Maybe a more neutral historian should give this page a work-over.

Somoe more comments: I think it is unfair to post Polish discussions in an English language document; we would also like to know how R-S died - was it the AK, the Germans, the KGB or natural causes??

23.06.2007, Gerald

The discussion in Polish at the top of the page is not about how did Rydz-śmigły die. They are arguing about which wikipedia (German or Polish) is better. The answer is: Rydz-Śmigły was murdered by Gestapo. And the first suggestion of yours. It is true that there is no any information about Olsa, Lithuania but it is much more complicated. There is no answer which would be accepted by everyone as the true one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.118.202 (talk) 10:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Surname consistency

The article varies between using Rydz, Rydz-Śmigły, and Śmigły-Rydz. One should be chosen and used throughout for consistency. Olessi (talk) 01:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I would disagree. I think it's appropriate that the surnames used reflect his own name at the time under discussion. It changed, and none of them is more correct than the others. -LlywelynII (talk) 17:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Alleged Quote

Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly:"...Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to...." allegedly quoted that way by the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939

--196.209.104.19 (talk) 19:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Resources about Rydz-Śmigły in English

One English source (a book by Seidner) is listed in the current article. I would appreciate anyone pointing to any other works in English. I would imagine there is a richer set of journal articles in English---but is there no biography in English? That would seem to be a bit of a missing piece as far as the interwar history of Europe is concerned, especially of Eastern Europe, at least for those of us not lucky enough to read Polish. Regardless of his competency and/or politics (and I'm sure Poles hold strong opinions of all persuasions to this day!) Rydz-Śmigły's would seem to be a fascinating career to study in the context of the struggle of the eastern European states to survive between the Bolshevik Revolution and the Nazi aggressions of 1938 and 1939...Bigbalagan (talk) 16:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Resources about Rydz-Śmigły in English

One English source (a book by Seidner) is listed in the current article. I would appreciate anyone pointing to any other works in English. I would imagine there is a richer set of journal articles in English---but is there no biography in English? That would seem to be a bit of a missing piece as far as the interwar history of Europe is concerned, especially of Eastern Europe, at least for those of us not lucky enough to read Polish. Regardless of his competency and/or politics (and I'm sure Poles hold strong opinions of all persuasions to this day!) Rydz-Śmigły's would seem to be a fascinating career to study in the context of the struggle of the eastern European states to survive between the Bolshevik Revolution and the Nazi aggressions of 1938 and 1939...Bigbalagan (talk) 16:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)