There is an article that lists bridge failures, which is quite large. Based on gathering similar incidents here, it seems like it might be worthwhile to create an article for the more specific list of boat-caused bridge failures. [[User:Elikser|Elikser]] ([[User talk:Elikser|talk]]) 11:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
There is an article that lists bridge failures, which is quite large. Based on gathering similar incidents here, it seems like it might be worthwhile to create an article for the more specific list of boat-caused bridge failures. [[User:Elikser|Elikser]] ([[User talk:Elikser|talk]]) 11:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
== Ship article ==
I notice [[MV Dali (2015)|the ship]] now has a page. I am really not sure whether the ship merits its own article right now: There are certainly sources that could add to that article, but everything seems to be in context of this collapse and precedent with other major events indicates that there needs to be more coverage of the ship than there is now. ~'''[[User:Username6892|<span style="color:black">UN6892</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Username6892|t]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contribs/Username6892|c]]</sub> 12:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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Ship was built in 2015, so MV Dali (2015) is the correct title if anyone wants to write an article. Mjroots (talk) 09:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MDTA workers
Just for clarification on the sourcing on the 20 MDTA workers: this came from a representative who spoke to the rescue operations officer on scene who relayed that to the incident commander over Baltimore Fire Radio traffic. Don't have a link for it, obviously, but felt it was a valid contribution 69.115.41.34 (talk) 08:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ship owner, etc
The Dali seems to be owned by Stellar Marine LLC, not sure where they're based. It seems to be managed by Oceanbulk Container Management SA, which is located in Athens, Greece. — Hippietrail (talk) 08:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The place I found that info had the flag of the Marshall Islands, but didn't mention the country otherwise. I'm pretty sure that's another popular country that ships are "flagged as", so that might only represent where it was flagged before being Singapore flagged as it is now. The 2015 video I linked to below clearly shows "Majuro" on the stern, which is the capital of the Marshall Islands. — Hippietrail (talk) 09:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, I've just seen it. Found them as well on the Marshall island corporate registry. Annulled in 2019, could possibly explain why I'm seeing Oceanbulk as the owner. Surreal12 (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Continuing....now I'm getting sources saying that a company name Synergy Marine Group manages the ship, and others saying they own it. This is from the guardian and cbs news atm.
News reports are starting to mention Grace Ocean Investment though at least one is saying it's a Singapore company... — Hippietrail (talk)
They're all saying Grace Ocean is Singapore based now. There seems to either be both an HK and a Singapore company with this same name, or perhaps the same company is based in both cities? Can find good links for both that are unrelated to the current news, but so far can't find anything linking HK & SG. — Hippietrail (talk) 09:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2015 video of the Dali may be of interest
I found this video of the ship from nine years ago when trying to find info about the companies that own and manage it. Might be of use or at least of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfntNXBZurUHippietrail (talk) 08:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ship fire
As the ship is reported to have caught fire and sunk, is it possible that the fire was the cause of the collision, and not the result of it? Obviously the NTSB will carry out an investigation, and any info inserted into the article needs to be backed up by reliable sources. Mjroots (talk) 09:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AP retracted the sinking in its latest update. Borgenland (talk) 09:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some YouTube comments from people that seem to know ships were saying black smoke was pouring out of the ship before the collision but hypothesizing that can happen by putting the engines in full reverse power. — Hippietrail (talk) 09:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has anyone found a source saying whether the ship was under a harbor pilot's control, or its master's? I would assume pilot's, given the location, but haven't seen any mention of this yet. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This may be obvious, but the article should mention that the channel is now blocked and the harbor is effectively closed. The number of trapped vessels should be added as soon as an RS is available.
At some point the fact that properly designed concrete dolphins surrounding the support structures would have prevented the collision should be added. Again, an RS will likely arrive soon on this topic.
Yes view of the current Tampa Bay bridge (top) and the old bridges: The piers of the current bridge are protected by structural dolphins. The collapsed bridge is under demolition.Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 10:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, the fiber-optic warning system like on the Queen Isabella Causeway in Texas would have alerted drivers. Elikser (talk) 11:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are dolphins at some distance on either side of the piers (not to mention Fort Carroll), but it appears that the ship skewed after it passed a dolphin. We will hear about all this in time. Acroterion(talk) 12:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Images
Please can we NOT add copyvio images. There is one non-free image, which I think is useable for now. The NTSB will almost certainly open an investigation, which will lead to reports / news stories from them which will have useable imaged. For now, we need a bit of patience. Mjroots (talk) 11:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this applies to you, feel free to copy to wherever you keep your barnstars. Mjroots (talk) 11:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
List of similar incidents
There is an article that lists bridge failures, which is quite large. Based on gathering similar incidents here, it seems like it might be worthwhile to create an article for the more specific list of boat-caused bridge failures. Elikser (talk) 11:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ship article
I notice the ship now has a page. I am really not sure whether the ship merits its own article right now: There are certainly sources that could add to that article, but everything seems to be in context of this collapse and precedent with other major events indicates that there needs to be more coverage of the ship than there is now. ~UN6892tc 12:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
