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I didn't see any "use" verified in the Victoria's Secret section, so removed it. Is anyone checking? What's the inclusion criteria here? --Hipal (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When I was writing the article, I just went on the examples covered by the original BBC articles used to source it. Might be useful to adopt a standard InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 01:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bias?
I deleted a certain part of the Articles lead that said that Barbie was a woke movie and I found that to be not true there was a unregistered user I agree with him I found this to be an example of cherry picking there are hundreds of examples of go woke go broke like Vice buzzfeed Sports Illustrated. so i dont get how you all want to keep the edit. Easyrider291 (talk) 16:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are multiple reliable sources that cite that the movie was called woke and that the slogan of the article was challenged by the movie.
The consensus is that the movie is a good counterexample and the inclusion is well sourced. Raladic (talk) 18:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well I watched the movie with my younger sister because she wanted to when the movie was in theaters and there was nothing in the movie that I would call woke if anything it may have perceived the fact that perfect woman are blonde cute and slim which is harmful for young women you can't just take what news sources say without actually looking at the actual product Easyrider291 (talk) 22:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact remains that this is one example, out of many, of a product derided as "woke" by many right-wing outlets and known people while bearing financial success. Maybe the article could be expanded with a whole section on the subject of things derided with the phrase which went on to be successful? If the justification for having it mentioned in the lead is that it's a counter-example, then the justification for such a subsection is kind-of a given. 2A02:1210:1C27:2900:E4C4:DC39:DAAA:EE91 (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not Wikipedia's place to "provide counter-examples" at all, unless this is something which journalism or scholarship has expanded on and it is relevant to the subject. For example if the NYT had written an article about the various commercial successes that had happened despite boycott attempts, that would be relevant. Wikipedia's place is to document the catchphrase, how it's been applied, the boycott attempts that have been made, and what _external sources_ have been able to assess about its impact. Any inclusion of a list of commercially successful movies that have been termed "woke" would be WP:OR. ChessFiends (talk) 12:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
