Talk:History of Prayagraj

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Inaccurate and misleading history of Prayag

The article is full of inaccurate and misleading statements. Prayag was (and still is) an ancient holy city of India mentioned in the Vedic scriptures and texts. Prayag was renamed Allahabad by the Mughal ruler Akbar around 1575 or even later. Akbar was grandson of the Mughal invader Babur. During the Vedic period neither Mughals existed nor Allahabad. To suggest otherwise is clearly distorting the history of India. Lord Rama went to Prayag. Hsuan Tsang, the Buddhist scholar and pilgrim from China visited Prayag, not Allahabad. Editors please, be accurate and do not distort the history of India by making inaccurate and misleading statements. Please note that by making misleading statements and writing inaccurately you will not change the true history of India. Please note Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.65.137 (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

i agree. Rahil1610 (talk) 04:47, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name change from History of Allahabad to Prayagraj

Name has been changed from allahabad to prayagraj. Now it also should be changed Rahil1610 (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 July 2023

History of Allahabad → History of Prayagraj – common name WP:COM . prayagraj.. Anubhavklal (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 04:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you meant History of Prayagraj. Prayag is the part of Allahabad/Prayagraj near the river junction. Some people think that modern Allahabad/Prayagraj is on the site of ancient Prayag; but that is not certain.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:52, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He must have meant Prayagraj. I've updated the nomination. Walt Yoder (talk) 01:19, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It was called Allahabad for well over 400 years. Its history is as Allahabad. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If the duration for which a name was used is the criteria, then Prayagraj/Prayag is been used for thousands of years. Wikipedia mist use the name what it is been called today, not what it was called in last 400 or 4000 years. Anubhavklal (talk) 10:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Prayagraj" is a new name, only a few years old, it is not the same as "Prayag". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, though renaming the article History of Prayagraj is logical, it is unnecessary. There is already a redirect that leads the user to History of Allahabad. It seems perverse to want to get rid of the historic (and still widely used) name in an article on the history of the city.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:23, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The page of the city has been already moved and we shouldn't be having this discussion anymore. It's ludicrous to keep the historic name of city in the related articles when the main article has already been renamed.–JayB91 (talk) 21:21, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It is only illogical to not move this page since the name of the city page is already moved. Don't know why we are discussing similar thing over amd over again. It was advised to move all the pages in a similar way after Allahabad was moved to Prayagraj except that of the high court. But here we are again. And still there are people opposing. Just for clarity Prayag was where Triveni Sangam is which is at Prayagraj. Allahabad was there only for 400 years but no trace of since when it was Prayag.
Shaan Sengupta (talk) 05:05, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is only because some editors here, who may be more experienced in editing Wikipedia, appear to beleive that any change to what is already written should be delayed as much as possible. We all know that eventually it will change, but till that time the readers have to live with obsolete information and hence credibility of Wikipedia is impacted negetively.
I may be blocked by any such user with accusations of personal attack, but my intent is not exactly same. Anubhavklal (talk) 10:09, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - per points raised by @Necrothesp and Toddy1:. Also "History of Allahabad" has far more hits in Googlebooks as compare to the minuscule "History of Prayagraj" in quotes. Also "Prayagraj" is a new name, only a five years old, it is not the same as "Prayag", the historical name. Nothing but present govt's POV that is behind such a move requests. "Prayag" looks liek a far better choice than the -raj suffixed word - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:23, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Prayag is a locality in the city (in the same way that Vauxhall is a locality in London). It would be possible to have an article on the history of that locality, but logically it should omit parts of the history that relate to other parts of the city - this is true of both Allahabad/Prayagraj and London.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Toddy1 ain't true buddy. Prayag is not a locality in the city, Prayag is the ancient name of the city of Prayagraj. I live here (in Jhusi, Prayagraj). I don't understand how could you guys be so confident about such claims without knowing the history of India or its States/UTs/cities! — Akshadev™ 🔱 15:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - as @JayB91 said, the name of the city has already been changed to Prayagraj so it makes sense to change related article titles as well.
— Akshadev™ 🔱 11:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I don't have opinions of its present name. But the historical name for the city is Allahabad, and that is how it is overwhelmingly referred to in RSs about its history. Retaining the historical name in historical contexts is helpful to readers. Walrasiad (talk) 16:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Historical name is also Prayagraj, and current name is also Prayagraj, common use today is also Prayagraj. I support having a redirect from other names like Allahabad or Illahabad, just in case some links point to this name Anubhavklal (talk) 17:29, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Official and common name as per ahreps tool. Fayninja (talk) 09:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayninja: Please can you supply diffs or similar from the tool. Or at the very least, please provide a link to the tool you are talking about.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Average monthly searches of the term 'prayagraj' on Google from the last 12 months in India: 133K
The same for 'allahabad': 110K
Tool link Fayninja (talk) 12:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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