Talk:Jure Francetić

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Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Some explanations

I've got a number of books and articles providing a bit partial information about Francetic's life. Succeeded in replacing the old text (which was written more or less as a propaganda pamphlet) by information gathered from the references and assembled it logically. Left POV tag - for seeing most of the remaining (unchanged) text as the un-sourced and biased.--72.75.20.29 (talk) 21:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• Some parts of the (remaining) text are not covered yet by references. Still did not insert {fact} hoping find the reference and come back later.--72.75.20.29 (talk) 00:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Totally unverified

There is not one single source mentioned in the references that can be verified.All these are books (from ex-yugoslavia authors). That is why putting tamplate {{verify}} is 100% justified.--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 15:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

• All sources are fully verifiable. The books are available in libraries of the academic institutions across the world. Moreover the Alexander Arnon testimony is available online here [1]. Did you read any of the references given in the article?--72.75.20.29 (talk) 16:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

1. Alexander Armon's testimony says about ustaše- but nothing about Francetić. So, it is relevant for article Ustaše-not this one.

2. All these cited "books" are not verifiable by internet. I could also "cite" some "books" wtitten by author "XX" , fictional names and authors. But that is not the point.

--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 16:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• No necessity for a reference to be verifiable over the Internet. Arnon's testimony is a complementary information. Please, avoid further vandalization of this article.--72.75.20.29 (talk) 01:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Many books are digitized - and therefore online verifiable. The others - not digitized - are available publicly through the US public library system--71.252.55.101 (talk) 19:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

What you cite are couple of "books " whose neutrality and reliability is not checked at all. They can not be verified by web (neither 1 single of them!!) -so we can not check neither their existence!!!These things might not be relevanti in some cases but issues like these (war and war crimes)-they are essential.--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 08:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring: warning

I can see a lot of edit warring here, and very little use of the talk page. This is a Bad Thing and will lead to people - probably nice cute hearts-in-the-right-place people getting blocked if they don't take care William M. Connolley (talk) 16:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Holocaust template

Putting Holocaust template here is nonsense beacause Jure Francetić is not mentioned in it.

--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 08:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Memorials

Memorials in a tribute of Francetić is raised in his honour. We may not agree/disagree with it but we can't talk what was in heads of these people that put it. They wanted to glorify him-YES,obviously. But did they wanted to express their hateridge towards Serbs or smbd else it is not proven. Especially not to anonymous in Split. The others are specualations.--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 09:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

• References are given and clear

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