Talk:Norman Fucking Rockwell!

Mariners Apartment Complex

Somebody should make a page for Mariners Apartment Complex. Mallory Steen (talk) 23:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

not quite sure if it meets the music/song notability requirements yet.Melodies1917 (talk) 14:04, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

can we move this to a draft space or not yet?

wondering if we can create a draft of the album article yet. currently redirecting to lana del rey. Melodies1917 (talk) 16:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Histmerge?

@Anthony Appleyard: Hey Anthony, I just tagged you but at a second glance I'm not sure what's happened, but what was at Draft:Norman Fucking Rockwell looks exactly like what is here now. I believe DRnfr copied most of what was at the draft (that they contributed to) into here. Perhaps you can assess whether it needs to be merged, but this mainspace article also has a history predating the draft's January 2019 creation. Ss112 19:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

• @Ss112: Sorry, I can't history-merge Draft:Norman Fucking Rockwell to Norman Fucking Rockwell, because they are WP:Parallel histories. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@Anthony Appleyard: Anthony, I'm not bothered if they are histmerged or aren't, I just thought it should be brought to your attention. Thanks for looking. Ss112 01:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Vulgar word in article title

This article contains a vulgar word in the title referring to sexual intercourse. It should be removed or there should be warning for explicit content when someone visits it.2A0A:A543:DD7:0:91D:D0B2:BC83:EB38 (talk) 00:24, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

its literally in the title of the album, and does not refer to anything sexual. there are other pages with the word in the title.Melodies1917 (talk) 19:59, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Norman Fucking Rockwell Tour article is a little too soon

@Ss112 and Anthony Appleyard: either of you think so? the album isnt even out yet and there's only a few dates. draftify it or merge/redirect back here?Melodies1917 (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

You can't edit in pings like that (AFAIK), they have to be in a whole, new post with signature. —DIYeditor (talk) 21:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Name

So why is a move to Norman Fucking Rockwell! being resisted? There's no explanation given. It seems to be the actual name that the artist has given to the album. Uncle G (talk) 07:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Totally agree, the title of the album includes an exclamation mark, no different than a title that includes a question mark... Mikevanoost (talk) 17:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

"Released" parameter and future dates

For anyone trying to add the release date to the infobox, please see Template talk:Infobox album#"Released" parameter and future dates about whether the parameter that says "Released" can be used for future dates. —DIYeditor (talk) 23:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

GA - Good Article

Somebody please make this article about this great album a Good Article! Reylanno / @ 18:57, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Genre

@Ilovetati91:@Gentlecollapse6: I have some doubts about the genres in the infobox

• folk-rock is sourced with an article which says "an hour of contemplative folk-rock tunes and lovelorn piano ballads" [1]; "folk rock tunes" is suggestive of folk-rock elements rather than folk-rock album

In context, "folk-rock tunes" seems pretty clearly synonymous with "folk-rock songs" or "-tracks" IMO, not literal melodies or "elements"—especially given that the sentence's next object is "piano ballads" and not some more specific stylistic element. You could say the same about the "psych-rock jams" referenced in multiple articles—is this not an element, rather than an album-wide label? If the track is full of folk-rock songs, then I don't see why it wouldn’t be included. gentlecollapse6 (talk) 16:51, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Even "psych-rock jams" isn't ideal, but "folk-rock tunes" reminds me of expressions like "pop melodies", "hip-hop rhythms", "rock guitars", which usually are considered elements rather than main genres Blueberry72 (talk) 09:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

• I've never seen piano ballad or simply ballad in an infobox. Many songs of Lana Del Rey are ballads (Hope Is a Dangerous Thing for a Woman Like Me to Have – but I Have It, Mariners Apartment Complex, Ultraviolence...), but they don't have "ballad" as a genre in the infobox, despite "ballad" is sourced in the body of these articles Blueberry72 (talk) 15:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I don’t see why this would make its inclusion invalid. It would be misleading to include "psych-rock" and not "piano ballads" when they are both being used equally by critics as a label. gentlecollapse6 (talk) 16:51, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

But is piano ballad a genre? its page says: "a piano ballad is a piece for solo piano written in a balletic narrative style" Blueberry72 (talk) 17:06, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

According to this scholarly music journal, it is a genre. gentlecollapse6 (talk) 19:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Blueberry72: I agree; I don't think piano ballad is a genre per se. I am sure we could find scholarly sources to say most things are genres. Plenty of singers make piano ballads; that doesn't make it their genre. It says something about the majority of users' views on Wikipedia that you won't find it in basically any other infobox listed as a genre. Because whatever you want to put in front of it, "ballad" is not a genre. Ss112 20:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ss112:@Gentlecollapse6: I don't know if it is a problem of my computer, but in Gentlecollapse6's source I can only see the frontispiece of a book, I don't even see an abstract with a mention of piano ballads. Anyway, we could discuss about this question in the wikiproject, because if we add "ballad" in this infobox we should be free to add it even in other infoboxes Blueberry72 (talk) 10:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I also agree that piano ballad is not a genre, it is simply a type of song. A piano ballad can be of any genre. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 06:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

• Piano ballad is more of a style than a genre. It should be removed. “Folk rock tunes” reads as a pretty direct labeling of folk rock though to me. I don’t support the removal of that. Sergecross73 msg me 12:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Piano ballad isn't a genre and the article it links to doesn't even have anything to do with modern popular music. Many sources note the album's piano ballads and I agree that it should be prominently mentioned in the article and lede, but just because something's important doesn't mean it belongs in the infobox. For example, if several reviews pointed out that an album had fast tempos, you wouldn't put "fast tempo" in the genre section of the infobox, because it simply wouldn't belong. Currently this discussion has 5 editors opposing the inclusion, and 1 in support, so I have removed it from the infobox for now. Jimmio78 (talk) 13:06, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

References

Single vs Promotional Single

So this is an issue I’ve had with a lot of articles, but I question if some of the “singles” from this album would be better categorized as “promotional singles”? In the past an editor told me that the difference between the two was that singles were released to the radio, but most of the singles from this album were not. Would someone like to clear this up for me?Gagaluv1 (talk) 14:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Was the title of the album changed?

I just bought a copy of the album and it's simply titled "NFR!" on the cover, spine, and on the CD itself. I know this article shows the uncensored title for the cover art, but that's not the version I'm seeing in the stores. Any info on this? 68.147.116.14 (talk) 18:13, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• Amazon's listing gives the title as NFR! - should the article title be changed? 136.159.160.122 (talk) 16:27, 3 September 2019 (UTC)