Talk:Patsy Widakuswara

Redirect

Hi Gamaliel, I am writing to follow up on your restoration of this article after I redirected it to Voice of America, and I am wondering if you could explain your reasoning. After my attempts to revise and expand the article, it appeared to me that most of the content is covered in the Trump presidency politicization efforts section of the VOA article, but also with relevant context, and this article appears to be within WP:BLP1E, which seems to encourage a redirect under these circumstances. I don't feel that I found persistent coverage of the event sufficient to overcome WP:BLP1E exclusion, especially due to the context in which it happened, as documented in the VOA article. If you have any insight or guidance on this issue to share, that would be appreciated. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I believe that being the White House Bureau Chief of a major American news organization represents sufficient notability outside of this incident. Gamaliel (talk) 15:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply - I have not been able to find sources supporting WP:JOURNALIST notability for this role, which is part of why it seems WP:BLP1E currently applies. I am influenced by some recent AfD discussions, e.g. Heba Aly (journalist) AfD, Martina Castro AfD, Erica Johnson AfD, which seem to add support for a redirect here until secondary sources supporting notability are found. Beccaynr (talk) 16:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Support restoration. There are several issues with the redirect rationale here. Redirection is not a best practice as a proxy deletion. But most importantly, this is not a good application of WP:BLP1E, as it fails two of the three criteria as stated in the policy. She was not a "low-profile individual" before the VOA removal event or after. The event is significant and her role was substantial and it was well documented. For those reasons, it should be kept here as an article as we have plenty of WP:RS for WP:N and WP:V. On a more general note, we should be careful not to overemphasize policy shortcut names (ie. "one event" or "not news") and add an extended interpretation that is not in the actual policy. - Fuzheado | Talk 17:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

In my first comment above, I was trying to refer to the part of WP:BLP1E that states, The significance of an event or the individual's role is indicated by how persistent the coverage is in reliable sources, and to clarify my comment, I also have not found sources to show she is not WP:LOWPROFILE - she is now the White House Bureau Chief of a major American news organization, but that does not appear to have translated into actively seeking media attention for herself in the way described in the WP:LOWPROFILE explanatory supplement, or having done so previously, with the exception of a brief 2013 Washington Post profile I found and added to the article, which does not appear to be enough. If I had found sources that appear sufficient to support WP:JOURNALIST or WP:BASIC notability, these would have likely eliminated the WP:BLP1E concern of giving undue weight to the event. From my view, this context and the overlap with the target article supports a redirect at this time. Beccaynr (talk) 20:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Revisions

An editor may a number of questionable revisions just now. Starting with one - why delete material from the lede that comports with wp:lede? And adding twov-why make it difficult for the reader by deleting headings that refer to and separate to distinct incidents from a multi paragraph section? The assertion of NPOV as a basis is not convincing. In fact, for an experienced editor to make these claims, I'm confused as to what is going on. It's pretty egregious deleting going on. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:95FD:29F8:EB8A:7855 (talk) 18:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)