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:You can see my [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran&diff=1061844587&oldid=1061595837 edit summary], but I can explain more if you need. Many sources in the article (and also many not in this article) indicate that the most common names used are "People's Mujahedin of Iran", "Mojahedin-e-Khalq", "PMOI", and "MEK". Then there are other alternative names or spellings or translations (some among them "[https://www.france24.com/en/20090126-eu-strikes-peoples-mujahideen-terror-list- People's Mujahideen]", "[https://www.britannica.com/topic/mujahideen-Islam Mujahideen of the People]", and so on and so on). If a clarification is needed in the article because a source uses an alternative spelling or translation, then we can make that clarification. But the section "Other names" already has the most WP:DUE names the scholarly literature uses when referring to the MEK. [[User:TheDreamBoat|TheDreamBoat]] ([[User talk:TheDreamBoat|talk]]) 11:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
:You can see my [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran&diff=1061844587&oldid=1061595837 edit summary], but I can explain more if you need. Many sources in the article (and also many not in this article) indicate that the most common names used are "People's Mujahedin of Iran", "Mojahedin-e-Khalq", "PMOI", and "MEK". Then there are other alternative names or spellings or translations (some among them "[https://www.france24.com/en/20090126-eu-strikes-peoples-mujahideen-terror-list- People's Mujahideen]", "[https://www.britannica.com/topic/mujahideen-Islam Mujahideen of the People]", and so on and so on). If a clarification is needed in the article because a source uses an alternative spelling or translation, then we can make that clarification. But the section "Other names" already has the most WP:DUE names the scholarly literature uses when referring to the MEK. [[User:TheDreamBoat|TheDreamBoat]] ([[User talk:TheDreamBoat|talk]]) 11:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|TheDreamBoat}} [[WP:DUE]] doesn't mean we completely omit information, except when "a viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority". But this is not the case here. In fact, ngrams [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=People%27s+Strugglers%2CPeople%27s+Mujahedin&year_start=1950&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3 suggest] that until 1983, "People's Strugglers" was more common than "People's Mujahedin". How many sources do you require to show you that "People's Strugglers" has been a commonly used name for the organization? '''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 14:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|TheDreamBoat}} [[WP:DUE]] doesn't mean we completely omit information, except when "a viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority". But this is not the case here. In fact, ngrams [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=People%27s+Strugglers%2CPeople%27s+Mujahedin&year_start=1950&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3 suggest] that until 1983, "People's Strugglers" was more common than "People's Mujahedin". How many sources do you require to show you that "People's Strugglers" has been a commonly used name for the organization? '''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 14:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Here are 25 sources that use the two English translations for MEK:
*"People Strugglers":<ref>{{cite book|author=Amin Saikal|title=The Rise and Fall of the Shah|publisher=[[Princeton University Press]]|page=xxii}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|title=The Cambridge History of Iran, volume 7|year=1968|page=1061|publisher==[[Cambridge University Press]]}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|title=US Foreign Policy and the Iranian Revolution|author=Christian Emery|publisher=[[Palgrave Macmillan]]|year=2013|page=60}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|author=Mohsen Sazegara and Maria J. Stephan|title=Civilian Jihad|publisher=[[Palgrave Macmillan]]|page=188}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|title=The Unthinkable Revolution in Iran|publisher=[[Harvard University Press]]|author=[[Charles Kurzman]]|page=146}}</ref><ref>[https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4857&context=thesesdissertations this PhD thesis]</ref><ref>{{cite book|title=Chronologies of Modern Terrorism|publisher=[[Taylor & Francis]]|author=[[Barry Rubin]], [[Judith Colp Rubin]]|page=398}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|title=Revolution Under Attack: The Forqan Group of Iran|author=[[Ronen A. Cohen]]|publisher=[[Palgrave Macmillan]]|page=28}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|title=Iran Rising: The Survival and Future of the Islamic Republic|publisher=[[Princeton University Press]]|page=37|author=Amin Saikal}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal|title=The Future of Terrorism|author=[[Larry C. Johnson]]|journal=[[American Behavioral Scientist]]|date=February 1, 2001|page=899|volume=44|issue=6}}</ref>
*"Holy Warriors":<ref>{{cite book|author=Gavin R. G. Hambly|title=The Cambridge History of Iran, Volume 7|publisher=[[Cambridge University Press]]|page=284}}</ref><ref>{{cite encyclopedia|title=Conflict in the Modern Middle East: An Encyclopedia of Civil War, Revolutions, and Regime Change|entry=Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK)|page=208|publisher=[[ABC-CLIO]]}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|author=[[Mahan Abedin]]|title=Iran Resurgent: The Rise and Rise of the Shia State|publisher=[[C. Hurst & Co.]]|page=60|year=2019}}</ref>, [[Government of Canada]][https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/Search/Advanced.aspx?&ddC0nt3ntTyp3=ActsRegs&txtS3arch3xact=Iran&h1dd3nPag3Num=1], [[United States Department of the Treasury]][https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/recent-actions/20120928], [[NPR]][https://www.npr.org/sections/publiceditor/2008/07/14/92523254/how-should-npr-cover-a-controversial-iranian-resistance-group], [[LA Times]][https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-mar-19-fg-camp19-story.html], [[The Intercept]][https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/mek-iran-rajavi-cult-saudi-gingrich-terrorists-trump/], [[Carnegie Council]][https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/publications/ethics_online/0074], [[Slate]][https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/03/the-iranian-terrorists-who-are-helping-saddam-and-us.html], [[The Guardian]][https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/sep/21/qanda-mek-us-terrorist-organisation], [[WSJ]][https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704810504576307102942382660], [[NBC News]][https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/giuliani-s-work-iranian-group-bloody-past-could-lead-more-n1067766], [[CBC News]][https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-cabinet-picks-iran-mek-1.3967992], [[Washington Post]][https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/high-priced-advocacy-raises-questions-for-supporters-of-iranian-exile-group/2012/07/05/gJQABoacQW_story.html].
Honestly, this should not have been a controversial edit. All I did was add English translation of the Farsi/Arabic name and provided 6 scholarly sources. I should not have to dig up 25 sources just to make small edits.'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 17:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


== Selective quoting of NYT article ==
== Selective quoting of NYT article ==

Revision as of 17:22, 29 December 2021

Two important discussions

I guess discussion-1 & discussion-2 are worthy of attention. In this one there is objection against the sentence in the lead saying MEK is the most active opposition group. --Mhhossein talk 14:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Protected Edit Request 5 NOV 2021

The reference with doi:10.1093/milbal/103.1.344 should have URL https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1093/milbal/103.1.344 added, since the DOI is non-functional. The doi-broken-date should be updated to today also, since it still no longer works. and the broken date is the last checked date. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 13:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This {{citation|title=Table 41: Selected Non-State Armed Groups|publisher=The Military Balance|volume=103|pages=344–353|doi=10.1093/milbal/103.1.344|year=2003|doi-broken-date=31 May 2021}} Table 41: Selected Non-State Armed Groups, vol. 103, The Military Balance, 2003, pp. 344–353, doi:10.1093/milbal/103.1.344 (inactive 31 May 2021){{citation}}: CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of May 2021 (link) should become {{citation|title=Table 41: Selected Non-State Armed Groups|journal=The Military Balance|volume=103|issue=1|pages=344–353|doi=10.1093/milbal/103.1.344|year=2003|doi-broken-date=5 November 2021|url=https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1093/milbal/103.1.344}} "Table 41: Selected Non-State Armed Groups", The Military Balance, 103 (1): 344–353, 2003, doi:10.1093/milbal/103.1.344 (inactive 5 November 2021){{citation}}: CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of November 2021 (link) AManWithNoPlan (talk) 00:30, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second edit should be done. https://www.arabnews.com/node/1406811/%7B%7B should be changed to https://www.arabnews.com/node/1406811 because somehow junk got added to the end. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:26, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:40, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Third edit: the dead url http://www.academia.edu/download/32838100/bahgat.pdf should be replaced with https://web.archive.org/web/20170809064528/http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/parameters/Articles/08winter/bahgat.pdf and the s2cid=150794709 should also be added. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:35, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I added it as archive-url, which I believe is the correct way — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Forth edit needed: dead url http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a495015.pdf needs replaced with https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a495015.pdf AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:36, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I added archive-url. I just need the archive-date for these. (I am unable to access these links so I can't get this information myself.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Continued manipulation of the site by removing categories and faking sources

The page has users active that consistently edit in comments in favor of the MEK. After proving that all the sources they add are related to the MEK or don't actually exist they refuse to acknowledge and engage in edit warring.

The original point mentions that the MEK won a court case against major German Newspapers that they have to retract an article. When checking the sources we can find the following:

1.Source is ArabNews

This was a local court case in Germany, no major German newspaper reports about it but a Saudi government affiliated newspaper does. Then when we look at the author of the piece we can see that author is affiliated with the MEK.

Link to MEK website:

https://mek-iran.com/tag/ali-safavi/

2. Source is Freitag.de a small local newspaper in Germany. We can see that the article is marked with the following statement:

"Bei diesem Beitrag handelt es sich um ein Blog aus der Freitag-Community" which translates to "This post is taken from a blog of the Freitag-Community"

The Author mentions a court document with ID: 324 O 233/20

First googling this document ID, will once again only lead to MEK sources. Going directly to the courts website we can see that this document does not exist:

https://www.landesrecht-hamburg.de/bsha/search

We can also once again see that the author is affiliated with the MEK:

https://mek-iran.com/tag/martin-patzelt/

The 3. Source is once again an obscure newspaper with very limited reach. The author is Struan Stevenson.

We can once again see that the author is associated with the MEK:

https://mek-iran.com/tag/struan-stevenson/

This is a clear part of their disinformation campaign:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/09/mek-iran-revolution-regime-trump-rajavi

A Summary:

All three sources are affiliated with the MEK. Mentioned court document does not exist. No major German or Non-German outlets reporting, but obscure ones in Saudi Arabia do. This is clearly damaging to the reputation of the Frankfurter Allgemeine and Spiegel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.75.58.208 (talk) 14:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If Arab News reports something that a German newspaper does not report, then that is what it is. We don't edit according to national reports. When you find something that shows Arab News in invalid as source, then add this information here. Until then, the content has sources that are valid. 103.233.2.129 (talk) 15:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are purposefully ignoring that the author is also listed as a supporter on the MEK site itself, that makes him biased by the rules of wikipedia. This is also a damaging allegation and the ArabNews only mentions it without any reference material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.75.58.208 (talk) 15:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are doing too much investigation work, and all you need to do is show where it is indicated that ArabNews is not a good source for Wikipedia. 103.233.2.129 (talk) 15:34, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your argumentation is dishonest. First you argue that ArabNews is trustworthy, which by itself is questionable. There is no freedom of press or freedom of speech in Saudi Arabia, it is also directly influenced by the government of Saudi Arabia a major enemy of Iran, this by itself makes it biased enough. Then after I show even further that the source is biased, by the fact that the author is a supporter of the MEK, you suddenly shift your argument that to me doing to much investigative work. There is nothing in the rules that says we need to take any sources by face value. This is also very easy to verify by a simple google search and all in all took 5 minutes with public sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.75.58.208 (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is not our job to determine the level of freedom of press in Saudi Arabia. You do too much investigative work like I say already. Arab News is a reliable source as far I know. 103.233.2.129 (talk) 18:09, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So you actually accept that source is biased, but you want to keep it because I did too much "investigative work". Have you even read the rules of wikipedia? You have not, this will be deleted by the mods eventually and hopefully the page will be permanently protected against you disinformation trolls.
  • As it is mentioned in this list, there is no consensus that Arab News is a reliable source, especially on the subjects related to Saudi Arabian politics.Ghazaalch (talk) 16:00, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is no consensus that ArabNews is not reliable, and the subject in this page is "Iranian politics" not "Saudi Arabian politics". If we were to follow such standards, we should also ban American politics from this article just because some American press has been favorable of the MEK and against the dictatorship in Iran. So there has not been any "manipulation" or "faking sources". 103.233.2.129 (talk) 17:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are trying to divert the discussion from the author, who obviously is either an MEK member of supporter to a discussion about if ArabNews is unbiased. The author is already not, there is no further discussion needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.75.33.149 (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sources like this are still supporting this fact. 103.233.2.129 (talk) 11:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So if this happened in the court ordered them to take it down why is it still up?

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/iran-eine-politsekte-in-albanien-will-das-regime-in-teheran-stuerzen-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000162407686 "Über 2000 ihrer Leute leben in einem Camp in Albanien – Aussteiger erzählen von Psychoterror." Once again you come up with another fabricated source, that neither shows the court order and this time does not even have an author. You MEK people can pay some authors and fake some articles, but what you can can't do is make it actually disappear from the newspapers you are slandering.

I don't know why and I'm not going to do an internal investigation into what the Spiegel did or did not do. If you're that interested you can contact APNews and ask them to do a follow up story about that. And please stop calling other editors names, I did not refer to you as a "regime-paid troll", so don't call me a PMOI troll just because I provided some source you asked about. 103.233.2.129 (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the above sources seem to be opinion pieces covered by WP:RSOPINION, where some of the authors have links to the NCRI. However, the AP News source looks like a solid, reliable source. If there are no objections, I will go ahead and replace those sources with the AP News source.VR talk 07:55, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cats that need source supporting

Can somebody provide sources supporting these categories?

Category:Anti-government factions of the Syrian civil war Category:Banned socialist parties Category:Iranian money launderers Category:Iranian fraudsters Category:Islamic socialist political parties Category:Political organizations based in France

103.233.2.129, you put this back in the article, can you please show the sources for this? 103.233.2.129 (talk) 15:05, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You removed them, so the burden of proof is on you not on me. There is many sources in the wiki article, if they had a change of orientation nowadays then they should still be mentioned as it is historically accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.75.58.208 (talk) 15:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot find sources to prove they don't belong in the article. It works in the contrary way. If you want these categories in the article, you (or someone else needs to give sources to show they are relevant. 103.233.2.129 (talk) 15:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The sources that they are are a socialist party etc. are in the wiki article I am not going to to engage in a dishonest discussion where you try me to get the work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.75.58.208 (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have not seen any source that say the PMOI is a socialist party in the Wiki article. 103.233.2.129 (talk) 18:11, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

By 1973, the members of the Marxist–Leninist MEK launched an "internal ideological struggle". Members who did not convert to Marxism were expelled or reported to SAVAK.[128] This new group adopted a Marxist, more secular and extremist identity. They appropriated the MEK name, and in a book entitled Manifesto on Ideological Issues, the central leadership declared "that after ten years of secret existence, four years of armed struggle, and two years of intense ideological rethinking, they had reached the conclusion that Marxism, not Islam, was the true revolutionary philosophy".[129] Ghazaalch (talk) 16:44, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you read that section carefully, you will see that this information is about Organization of Struggle for the Emancipation of the Working Class, this is talking about how in the 1970s the OSEWC "adopted Marxist, more secular and extremist identity". Maybe that needs to be made more clear in the article, but nothing in the article indicates that the MEK is or was a socialist party, so that category is wrongly placed here. 103.233.2.129 (talk) 17:14, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A 2009 U.S. Department of State annual report states that their ideology is a blend of Marxism, Islamism and feminism.[269]

According to a RAND Corporation policy report, the MEK initially acquired supporters and members through "its Marxist social policy, coeducational living opportunities, antipathy to U.S. influence, and—unlike traditional Leftist groups—support for a government that reflected Islamic ideals. The members, which primarily consisted of University students and graduates, were encouraged to live together and form close social bonds. Ghazaalch (talk) 11:24, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I read the article. The PMOI incorporated some Marxist elements in their ideology in the 1970s. After a schisms between the Marxist part and the Muslim counter part, the PMOI has been Muslim. So while it's ok to explain this in the article, to categorize the group as a "socialist party" is plainly incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.233.2.129 (talk) 11:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

Vice regent can you please check this revert by you? The source does not say that the MEK bombed the United Nations compound in Iraq, it only says that this happened. TheDreamBoat (talk) 16:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The page number doesn't seem to be given. I checked the source and on page 88 it says "August 19, 2003: Bombing of UN compound, prompting UN withdrawal from Iraq". Is that what you're referring to? If so, you're correct.VR talk 22:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the removal[1]. I presume, based on your edit, that you were looking at the same page as me.VR talk 16:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reference about foundation

The sentence The MEK was founded on 5 September 1965 by leftist Iranian students affiliated with the Freedom Movement of Iran to oppose the Shah Pahlavi. currently has two references:

  • Newton, Michael (2014). "Bahonar, Mohammad-Javad (1933–1981)". Famous Assassinations in World History: An Encyclopedia. Vol. 1. ABC-CLIO. p. 28. ISBN 978-1-61069-286-1. Although the Bahonar-Rajai assassination was solved with identification of bomber Massoud Kashmiri as an MEK agent he remained unpunished. Various mujahedin were arrested and executed in reprisal, but Kashmiri apparently slipped through the dragnet.
  • Chehabi, Houchang E. (1990). Iranian Politics and Religious Modernism: The Liberation Movement of Iran Under the Shah and Khomeini. I.B. Tauris. p. 211. ISBN 978-1-85043-198-5.

The quote given for the first reference seems to be completely unrelated. I wonder if it was initially added to support something else and text-source integrity has been lost. Does anyone have access to these sources to verify if they support the statement, if the page is correct, and possibly fix the quote? Thank you! MarioGom (talk) 17:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That was added in this edit. As the user is tbanned, I can't ping them or ask them about this edit. I didn't find any mention of "Freedom Movement of Iran" in Abrahamian (though its possible he mentions them with a slightly different name). The beginning are mentioned around pages 87-88. Actually I think our current article doesn't do justice to the very early history of the MEK. But this article is fairly large without much room to expand. Maybe we should consider WP:SPLITing out various parts of the article into separate ones.VR talk 19:00, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I looked into the source and found the quote "founded by leftist Iranian students in 1965 to oppose Shah Pahlavi". I didn't find anything in the first source about the Freedom Party of Iran. I couldn't access the second source.VR talk 19:45, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for looking up the edit introducing the reference. So the quote was obviously misplaced since it was introduced. The following source:
States that [...] repressive policies of the Shah Muhammad Reza Pahlavi's regime against the nonviolent opposition, prompted some members of the religious group within the Liberation Movement of Iran (LMI) to reconsider their strategies in the struggle against Pahlavi rule. [...] younger LMI activists, all university students [...]
This is quite consistent with what Abrahamian (1989) says (sorry, I don't have the quote at hand right now). We can replace the bad source with this encyclopedia entry, and/or Abrahamian with the right page and quote, change the organization name to Liberation Movement of Iran to match the source. Also a few sources mention September 1965, but I didn't see the exact date 5 September 1965 yet. MarioGom (talk) 01:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of names

TheDreamBoat can you explain this revert? I found dozens of scholarly sources (of which I gave 6 citations because I thought that'd be enough) that refer to the organization by alternative, fully English, versions of its name. So when I added these names I qualified it with "This is sometimes translated into English as...". So why would you remove this? VR talk 13:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can see my edit summary, but I can explain more if you need. Many sources in the article (and also many not in this article) indicate that the most common names used are "People's Mujahedin of Iran", "Mojahedin-e-Khalq", "PMOI", and "MEK". Then there are other alternative names or spellings or translations (some among them "People's Mujahideen", "Mujahideen of the People", and so on and so on). If a clarification is needed in the article because a source uses an alternative spelling or translation, then we can make that clarification. But the section "Other names" already has the most WP:DUE names the scholarly literature uses when referring to the MEK. TheDreamBoat (talk) 11:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@TheDreamBoat: WP:DUE doesn't mean we completely omit information, except when "a viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority". But this is not the case here. In fact, ngrams suggest that until 1983, "People's Strugglers" was more common than "People's Mujahedin". How many sources do you require to show you that "People's Strugglers" has been a commonly used name for the organization? VR talk 14:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here are 25 sources that use the two English translations for MEK:

Honestly, this should not have been a controversial edit. All I did was add English translation of the Farsi/Arabic name and provided 6 scholarly sources. I should not have to dig up 25 sources just to make small edits.VR talk 17:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Selective quoting of NYT article

The article currently says, based on this NYT article, that "Former military officers who had aided in guarding the MEK camp in Iraq said "its members had been free to leave since American military began protecting it in 2003." The officers said they had not found any prison or torture facilities". But this is selective quoting of the NYT article. The NYT points out that these particular officers had been suggested to NYT by MEK itself. And that when NYT contacted Capt. Matthew Woodside who oversaw the MEK camp (and who "was not one of those whom the M.E.K. suggested I contact"), he gave a different account. According to Woodside "American troops did not have regular access to camp buildings or to group members whose relatives said they were held by force", that American troops were allowed access to MEK members "only after a delay of several days", and that it was difficult for women to escape.

This text should be rewritten to give a more accurate representation of NYT.VR talk 16:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see Ypatch made that edit, so I hope they can explain.VR talk 05:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Amin Saikal. The Rise and Fall of the Shah. Princeton University Press. p. xxii.
  2. ^ The Cambridge History of Iran, volume 7. =Cambridge University Press. 1968. p. 1061.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)
  3. ^ Christian Emery (2013). US Foreign Policy and the Iranian Revolution. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 60.
  4. ^ Mohsen Sazegara and Maria J. Stephan. Civilian Jihad. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 188.
  5. ^ Charles Kurzman. The Unthinkable Revolution in Iran. Harvard University Press. p. 146.
  6. ^ this PhD thesis
  7. ^ Barry Rubin, Judith Colp Rubin. Chronologies of Modern Terrorism. Taylor & Francis. p. 398.
  8. ^ Ronen A. Cohen. Revolution Under Attack: The Forqan Group of Iran. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 28.
  9. ^ Amin Saikal. Iran Rising: The Survival and Future of the Islamic Republic. Princeton University Press. p. 37.
  10. ^ Larry C. Johnson (February 1, 2001). "The Future of Terrorism". American Behavioral Scientist. 44 (6): 899.
  11. ^ Gavin R. G. Hambly. The Cambridge History of Iran, Volume 7. Cambridge University Press. p. 284.
  12. ^ "Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK)". Conflict in the Modern Middle East: An Encyclopedia of Civil War, Revolutions, and Regime Change. ABC-CLIO. p. 208.
  13. ^ Mahan Abedin (2019). Iran Resurgent: The Rise and Rise of the Shia State. C. Hurst & Co. p. 60.
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