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A {{prod}} was placed on this article -- asserting the article was not compliant with the essay WP:SOLDIER, and asserting that it lacked independent references.

First, I think the tagger`s interpretation of ″independent″ is incorrect. Dixon didn`t write the references, the author`s aren`t in a conflict of interest. I don`t think there is any question as to whether the information in the references are accurate or reliable.

Dixon is notable for two things:

remarkably he won two separate awards for heroism on a single weekend;
he is the namesake for a coast guard cutter.

So, WP:BIO1E is not a concern.

I removed the prod. Geo Swan (talk) 07:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Still fails WP:SOLDIER.

Still no "independent" references. Coast Guard references are not independent.

There are plenty of other redirects of people to the ship that bears their name. Bgwhite (talk) 08:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We have the General notability guidelines, supplemented by about a dozen topic-specific notability guidelines, like WP:ACADEMIC and WP:POLITICIAN. The last time I looked WP:SOLDIER was not a guideline, it was an essay maintained by the military wikiproject. Is that still true?

My experience with WP:SOLDIER has been that fans of the essay act as if it is of more significance than the actual notability guidelines. I think that is a mistake.

The USCG references are independent in that Dixon didn`t write them. They weren`t written by his friends or family. You haven`t said why you don`t think they are independent, you have merely repeated yourself. If you are aware of a policy or guideline that says references published by a large institution shouldn`t be considered reliable sources for information about individuals employed by that institution then may I request you point to that wikidocument? Geo Swan (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References from a person's employer are not independent. They are reliable for talking about things done while being employed (position, accomplishments), ut do not meet GNG's independence statement. So, only having references from a person't employer is now enough to meet GNG? Hey, that means I'm notable because I was written up multiple times in my companies on-line news letter.
You don't understand what WP:SOLDIER and other guides (ie WP:ATHLETE and WP:BIO) actually say. (FYI... WP:ATHLETE and several in WP:BIO are maintained by individual WikiProject) They say a person is presumed to be notable if they meet the requirements. It is a way to meet notability without having to prove GNG. If a person doesn't meet WP:SOLDIER or WP:ATHLETE, they have to meet GNG like every other article does. It is a way to include rather than exclude people. Bgwhite (talk) 18:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 :* The USCG references are independent in that Dixon didn`t write them.  They weren`t written by his friends or family.  You haven`t said why you don`t think they are independent, you have merely repeated yourself.  If you are aware of a policy or guideline that says references published by a large institution shouldn`t be considered reliable sources for information about individuals employed by that institution then may I request you point to that wikidocument?  [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] ([[User talk:Geo Swan|talk]]) 15:01, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
+::* References from a person's employer are not independent.  They are reliable for talking about things done while being employed (position, accomplishments),  ut do not meet GNG's independence statement.  So, only having references from a person't employer is now enough to meet GNG?  Hey, that means I'm notable because I was written up multiple times in my companies on-line news letter.
+::* You don't understand what [[WP:SOLDIER]] and other guides (ie [[WP:ATHLETE]] and [[WP:BIO]]) actually say.  (FYI... WP:ATHLETE and several in WP:BIO are maintained by individual WikiProject) They say a person is ''presumed to be notable'' if they meet the requirements.  It is a way to meet notability without having to prove GNG.  If a person doesn't meet WP:SOLDIER or WP:ATHLETE, they have to meet GNG like every other article does.  It is a way to include rather than exclude people.  [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 18:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)