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In 1996 Lawrence Haggart, a 15-year-old student at the school who had signed forms with Celtic F.C. was murdered in his home by a paedophile, Brian Beattie. A memorial match was played on the 20th anniversary of his death.
Meters has twice removed this referenced material, presumably on the grounds of WP:UNDUE. The murder of a pupil, even where it did not take place in the school, is a highly significant event in the story of a school. I believe this material does belong. Does anybody else have an opinion? John (talk) 07:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It did not happen at the school. It did not happen at a school event. The perpetrator was not a school staff member. It was completely unrelated to the school other than that it happened to a student. Bad things happen to some students. They get murdered. They die of nasty diseases. They die or are badly injured in horrible accidents. They die of drug overdoses. They disappear. They get assaulted. They commit crimes. We don't mention them in Wikipedia articles unless the event has a significant connection to the school. Simply having happened to a student is not enough to warrant mention. Meters (talk) 17:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And similarly, we don't mention any of the many good things that happen to non-notable students. Meters (talk) 18:01, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for replying here and explaining your rationale. Lawrence Haggart will undoubtedly be as significant to St Mungo's as the Soham murders were to St Andrews primary school in Soham. That there seems insufficient third-party verification of this seems to be the problem for you. My own take would be that this is a very significant event, that it belongs on Wikipedia, and that this is where it belongs. There are very good sources, including national newspaper coverage, which cover the murder in detail and mention the victim's school. Maybe if there are no sources which explicitly lay out the enormous significance of this to the school, this is where we will be stuck. Myself, I would take the significance of this event as self-evident, and include it on this basis. Bad things happen to some students. They get murdered.... Fortunately, murders of schoolchildren are still fairly uncommon in Scotland, and that influences me to think this is already notable enough for inclusion on this article. John (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've now restored this, with sources explicitly highlighting the fact that the school considers it significant. Hope you agree that this takes it over the line. John (talk) 18:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
