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:: {{ping|GizzyCatBella}} I strongly suggest you self revert - you've restored several sources that do not refer to the town (e.g. Rossino - who simply doesn't say what you are restoring), and have introduced highly defamatory and counter-factual information in Wikipedia's voice. The stable version is from 19 March. I will be taking this to AE if you don’t self revert.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 09:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
:: {{ping|GizzyCatBella}} I strongly suggest you self revert - you've restored several sources that do not refer to the town (e.g. Rossino - who simply doesn't say what you are restoring), and have introduced highly defamatory and counter-factual information in Wikipedia's voice. The stable version is from 19 March. I will be taking this to AE if you don’t self revert.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 09:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
::: I’m checking it right now (tagged for ref. already) and will work on the article in the next hours/day. Your version was weak in my opinion with information omitted. I’ll try to improve the article best to my knowledge and abilities. [[User:GizzyCatBella|GizzyCatBella]] ([[User talk:GizzyCatBella|talk]]) 09:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
::: I’m checking it right now (tagged for ref. already) and will work on the article in the next hours/day. Your version was weak in my opinion with information omitted. I’ll try to improve the article best to my knowledge and abilities. [[User:GizzyCatBella|GizzyCatBella]] ([[User talk:GizzyCatBella|talk]]) 09:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|GizzyCatBella} - I am taking this to AE - unless you self-revert now - this is a serious misrepresentation of sources - there is a problem with each and every sentence here. You've also removed bona-fida academic sources that actually cover this incident. Again - yes/no - are will you self-revert this?[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 10:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
*Upon the [[Soviet invasion of Poland|Soviet invasion of eastern Poland]] in 1939, the local administration was abolished by the Soviet [[NKVD]] and replaced with Jewish communists who declared Soviet allegiance. - (''first sentence is correct (right?) Checking source and perhaps will find even better, I’ll go sentence by sentence. Please help as we go along ok? Thanks'')<ref name=“webcache” /> Ethnic Polish families were being rounded up by newly formed Jewish militia,<ref name=“webcache” /> and deported to [[Siberia]]. Some Poles went into prolonged hiding from the enemy. The Soviet terror lingered until the Nazi [[Operation Barbarossa]] of 1941,<ref name="webcache">[[Alexander B. Rossino]], [https://web.archive.org/web/20140222014730/http://myinternetarchive-recovery.blogspot.ca/2011/04/polish-neighbors-and-german-invaders.html Polish "Neighbors" and German Invaders: Contextualizing Anti-Jewish Violence in the Białystok District during the Opening Weeks of Operation Barbarossa], ''Polin'': Studies in Polish Jewry, Volume 16 (2003). ''Referenced citations:'' #58. ''The Partisan: From the Valley of Death to Mount Zion'' by [[Yitzhak Arad]], and #59. ''The Lesser of Two Evils: Eastern European Jewry under Soviet Rule, 1939-1941'' by Dov Levin.</ref> when the NKVD collaborators fled, along with the [[Red Army]]. A German [[Einsatzkommando]] unit under [[SS-Obersturmführer Hermann Schaper]] arriving in Stawiski on July 4–5, 1941, massacred 700 local Jews in nearby Płaszczatka Forest.<ref name="Shared history">Simon-Dubnow, from Institut für Jüdische Geschichte und Kultur; in Elazar Barkan, Elizabeth A. Cole, Kai Struve [https://books.google.ca/books?id=_BbvQbiaqAEC&pg=PA347&dq=%22Motive+of+Revenge+for+Collaboration+with+the+Soviets%22&hl=en&ei=lEBtTeeHFJTAgQexvL2cBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Motive%20of%20Revenge%20for%20Collaboration%20with%20the%20Soviets%22&f=false ''Shared history, divided memory: Jews and others in Soviet-occupied Poland, 1939-1941''.] Leipziger Universitätsverlag, 2007. {{ISBN|3-86583-240-7}}. ''See chapter:'' "Spontaneous Reactions and German Instigations" By A. Zbikowski, pp. 335 - 338 - 344 - 347.</ref><ref name="asura">[http://www.graceproducts.com/fmnc/asura.htm "Children of the Holocaust,"] ''In Search of the Heroes'', Grace, Richardson, TX</ref> The execution place is marked by the memorial stone.{{Verify source}} Some Poles, who emerged from their forest hideaways, including prisoners released by the Germans from the [[NKVD]] prisons,<ref name="webcache" /> were led to acts of revenge-killing in German presence (approximately 6 suspects, around July 5–7). The [[Nazi]]s created a Jewish ghetto in Stawiski, then transferred all its occupants to a much larger [[Łomża Ghetto|Ghetto in Łomża]], which was annihilated in November 1942.<ref name="V-S">[http://www.sztetl.org.pl/?a=showCity&action=view&cat_id=5&city_id=750&lang=en_GB "Jewish community before 1989: Łomża – History,"] 2010, [[Virtual Shtetl]]; [[Museum of the History of the Polish Jews]] (Muzeum Historii Żydów Polskich), [[Warsaw]]</ref> The fate of the Jews of Stawiski was similar to what occurred in neighboring towns of Jedwabne and Radziłów. The atrocity in Jedwabne took place on July 10, 1941 and the massacre in Stawiski only a day earlier thus linking perpetrators and victims.<ref name="P/M">{{cite book | url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=AfeGB5yz0ooC&lpg=PP1&dq=%22Poles%20and%20Jews%3A%20How%20Deep%20the%20Guilt%3F%22%20Adam%20Michnik%2C%20New%20York%20Times&pg=RA1-PA62#v=snippet&q=Stawiski%20outskirts&f=false | title=The Neighbors Respond: The Controversy over the Jedwabne Massacre | publisher=Princeton University Press | work=The initial reporting | date=2009 | accessdate=16 April 2015 | author=Antony Polonsky, Joanna B. Michlic | pages=62 | quote=Poles and Jews: How Deep the Guilt? by Adam Michnik, New York Times, March 17, 2001 (quoted). | isbn=1400825814}}</ref>
*Upon the [[Soviet invasion of Poland|Soviet invasion of eastern Poland]] in 1939, the local administration was abolished by the Soviet [[NKVD]] and replaced with Jewish communists who declared Soviet allegiance. - (''first sentence is correct (right?) Checking source and perhaps will find even better, I’ll go sentence by sentence. Please help as we go along ok? Thanks'')<ref name=“webcache” /> Ethnic Polish families were being rounded up by newly formed Jewish militia,<ref name=“webcache” /> and deported to [[Siberia]]. Some Poles went into prolonged hiding from the enemy. The Soviet terror lingered until the Nazi [[Operation Barbarossa]] of 1941,<ref name="webcache">[[Alexander B. Rossino]], [https://web.archive.org/web/20140222014730/http://myinternetarchive-recovery.blogspot.ca/2011/04/polish-neighbors-and-german-invaders.html Polish "Neighbors" and German Invaders: Contextualizing Anti-Jewish Violence in the Białystok District during the Opening Weeks of Operation Barbarossa], ''Polin'': Studies in Polish Jewry, Volume 16 (2003). ''Referenced citations:'' #58. ''The Partisan: From the Valley of Death to Mount Zion'' by [[Yitzhak Arad]], and #59. ''The Lesser of Two Evils: Eastern European Jewry under Soviet Rule, 1939-1941'' by Dov Levin.</ref> when the NKVD collaborators fled, along with the [[Red Army]]. A German [[Einsatzkommando]] unit under [[SS-Obersturmführer Hermann Schaper]] arriving in Stawiski on July 4–5, 1941, massacred 700 local Jews in nearby Płaszczatka Forest.<ref name="Shared history">Simon-Dubnow, from Institut für Jüdische Geschichte und Kultur; in Elazar Barkan, Elizabeth A. Cole, Kai Struve [https://books.google.ca/books?id=_BbvQbiaqAEC&pg=PA347&dq=%22Motive+of+Revenge+for+Collaboration+with+the+Soviets%22&hl=en&ei=lEBtTeeHFJTAgQexvL2cBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Motive%20of%20Revenge%20for%20Collaboration%20with%20the%20Soviets%22&f=false ''Shared history, divided memory: Jews and others in Soviet-occupied Poland, 1939-1941''.] Leipziger Universitätsverlag, 2007. {{ISBN|3-86583-240-7}}. ''See chapter:'' "Spontaneous Reactions and German Instigations" By A. Zbikowski, pp. 335 - 338 - 344 - 347.</ref><ref name="asura">[http://www.graceproducts.com/fmnc/asura.htm "Children of the Holocaust,"] ''In Search of the Heroes'', Grace, Richardson, TX</ref> The execution place is marked by the memorial stone.{{Verify source}} Some Poles, who emerged from their forest hideaways, including prisoners released by the Germans from the [[NKVD]] prisons,<ref name="webcache" /> were led to acts of revenge-killing in German presence (approximately 6 suspects, around July 5–7). The [[Nazi]]s created a Jewish ghetto in Stawiski, then transferred all its occupants to a much larger [[Łomża Ghetto|Ghetto in Łomża]], which was annihilated in November 1942.<ref name="V-S">[http://www.sztetl.org.pl/?a=showCity&action=view&cat_id=5&city_id=750&lang=en_GB "Jewish community before 1989: Łomża – History,"] 2010, [[Virtual Shtetl]]; [[Museum of the History of the Polish Jews]] (Muzeum Historii Żydów Polskich), [[Warsaw]]</ref> The fate of the Jews of Stawiski was similar to what occurred in neighboring towns of Jedwabne and Radziłów. The atrocity in Jedwabne took place on July 10, 1941 and the massacre in Stawiski only a day earlier thus linking perpetrators and victims.<ref name="P/M">{{cite book | url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=AfeGB5yz0ooC&lpg=PP1&dq=%22Poles%20and%20Jews%3A%20How%20Deep%20the%20Guilt%3F%22%20Adam%20Michnik%2C%20New%20York%20Times&pg=RA1-PA62#v=snippet&q=Stawiski%20outskirts&f=false | title=The Neighbors Respond: The Controversy over the Jedwabne Massacre | publisher=Princeton University Press | work=The initial reporting | date=2009 | accessdate=16 April 2015 | author=Antony Polonsky, Joanna B. Michlic | pages=62 | quote=Poles and Jews: How Deep the Guilt? by Adam Michnik, New York Times, March 17, 2001 (quoted). | isbn=1400825814}}</ref>

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17 February 2014

I added some citation tags to the article. Reference number 4 is a blog. Can it be considered a credible source? Furthermore, the conclusions drawn from this blog entry are only loosely based on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.105.203 (talk) 10:27, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I've reverted this edit, which restored the 27 August 2017 version, restoring the stable version from March 2018. This version is very poorly sourced, and misrepresents the sources it uses - many of which do not cover Stawiski and/or do not contain the stmts attributed to them. Please discuss here.Icewhiz (talk) 09:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What was poorly sourced? Could you elaborate?GizzyCatBella (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@GizzyCatBella: I strongly suggest you self revert - you've restored several sources that do not refer to the town (e.g. Rossino - who simply doesn't say what you are restoring), and have introduced highly defamatory and counter-factual information in Wikipedia's voice. The stable version is from 19 March. I will be taking this to AE if you don’t self revert.Icewhiz (talk) 09:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I’m checking it right now (tagged for ref. already) and will work on the article in the next hours/day. Your version was weak in my opinion with information omitted. I’ll try to improve the article best to my knowledge and abilities. GizzyCatBella (talk) 09:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
{{ping|GizzyCatBella} - I am taking this to AE - unless you self-revert now - this is a serious misrepresentation of sources - there is a problem with each and every sentence here. You've also removed bona-fida academic sources that actually cover this incident. Again - yes/no - are will you self-revert this?Icewhiz (talk) 10:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upon the Soviet invasion of eastern Poland in 1939, the local administration was abolished by the Soviet NKVD and replaced with Jewish communists who declared Soviet allegiance. - (first sentence is correct (right?) Checking source and perhaps will find even better, I’ll go sentence by sentence. Please help as we go along ok? Thanks)[1] Ethnic Polish families were being rounded up by newly formed Jewish militia,[1] and deported to Siberia. Some Poles went into prolonged hiding from the enemy. The Soviet terror lingered until the Nazi Operation Barbarossa of 1941,[2] when the NKVD collaborators fled, along with the Red Army. A German Einsatzkommando unit under SS-Obersturmführer Hermann Schaper arriving in Stawiski on July 4–5, 1941, massacred 700 local Jews in nearby Płaszczatka Forest.[3][4] The execution place is marked by the memorial stone.[verification needed] Some Poles, who emerged from their forest hideaways, including prisoners released by the Germans from the NKVD prisons,[2] were led to acts of revenge-killing in German presence (approximately 6 suspects, around July 5–7). The Nazis created a Jewish ghetto in Stawiski, then transferred all its occupants to a much larger Ghetto in Łomża, which was annihilated in November 1942.[5] The fate of the Jews of Stawiski was similar to what occurred in neighboring towns of Jedwabne and Radziłów. The atrocity in Jedwabne took place on July 10, 1941 and the massacre in Stawiski only a day earlier thus linking perpetrators and victims.[6]
  1. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference “webcache” was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ a b Alexander B. Rossino, Polish "Neighbors" and German Invaders: Contextualizing Anti-Jewish Violence in the Białystok District during the Opening Weeks of Operation Barbarossa, Polin: Studies in Polish Jewry, Volume 16 (2003). Referenced citations: #58. The Partisan: From the Valley of Death to Mount Zion by Yitzhak Arad, and #59. The Lesser of Two Evils: Eastern European Jewry under Soviet Rule, 1939-1941 by Dov Levin.
  3. ^ Simon-Dubnow, from Institut für Jüdische Geschichte und Kultur; in Elazar Barkan, Elizabeth A. Cole, Kai Struve Shared history, divided memory: Jews and others in Soviet-occupied Poland, 1939-1941. Leipziger Universitätsverlag, 2007. ISBN 3-86583-240-7. See chapter: "Spontaneous Reactions and German Instigations" By A. Zbikowski, pp. 335 - 338 - 344 - 347.
  4. ^ "Children of the Holocaust," In Search of the Heroes, Grace, Richardson, TX
  5. ^ "Jewish community before 1989: Łomża – History," 2010, Virtual Shtetl; Museum of the History of the Polish Jews (Muzeum Historii Żydów Polskich), Warsaw
  6. ^ Antony Polonsky, Joanna B. Michlic (2009). The Neighbors Respond: The Controversy over the Jedwabne Massacre. Princeton University Press. p. 62. ISBN 1400825814. Retrieved 16 April 2015. Poles and Jews: How Deep the Guilt? by Adam Michnik, New York Times, March 17, 2001 (quoted). {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
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