Talk:That '70s Show

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International broadcasts

Just wondering: do we really need this entire list? For one thing it's in constant flux, second most of it is unsourced and third I haven't seen a whole lot of articles about other shows that have such a list. I'm not sure if there's a formal "Wikipedia is not a TV guide" policy, but I'm inclined to say it might be better to replace it with a short section containing a rough estimate of the number of countries that aired and/or are airing the show.  Skysmurf  (Talk) 18:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

MOS:TV does support inclusion of an international broadcast section, but not in the format used in this article which is, unfortunately, far too common. I've pruned some of these lists considerably but they're always problematic and the MOS recommends prose anyway. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that was informative. I will read the MOS more carefully but at the moment I think the list as we have it now ought to be replaced by something more appropriate (and maintainable). I sometimes think this particular section is a TV guide rather than anything else. Do you have any examples of how what such an International Broadcast section should look like?  Skysmurf  (Talk) 22:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you that it looks like a TV guide. I also believe that we should require sourcing for each assertion. That will eliminate a lot.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:19, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The table at Two and a Half Men was a mess.[1] Even though the section had been tagged as needing citations for 11 months, no attempt had been made to source any of it, even after I added a "Sources" column and tagged each entry. The current version is completely sourced,[2] although people still keep adding unsourced content despite notes in the table saying that unsourced additions will be reverted. It won't hurt to be brutal in editing the section here. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:05, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I almost forgot about this, but Bbb23's edit which added {{Unreferenced section}} reminded me again. Probably some time this weekend I will tackle the International Broadcasts section along the lines of what AussieLegend suggested above. -- Skysmurf  (Talk) 05:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Skysmurf, thanks for your hard work. One thought. Do we really need a column for the references? Couldn't we just put any cites right after the country in the leftmost column? And if you (and others) think a sources column is better, then it shouldn't be sortable.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

My experience at other articles has been that, for reasons that escape me, people adding content to the tables seem completely oblivious to the requirement to add sources. The section heading template is never respected and, despite other entries having sources, they are often omitted from new additions, especially if the entry is for Turkey (an especially problematic country). Still, a separate column for sources makes the requirement obvious, so it's a lot easier to identify unsourced additions. You're correct that the column shouldn't be sortable. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:55, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. As for the references column, I'm inclined to agree with AussieLegend: such a column might make it easier to spot unsourced entries. You're both right about the sortability, it doesn't make a lot of sense. The old table was already sortable, which probably explains why it managed to evade my attention. -- Skysmurf  (Talk) 08:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

If both of you believe the reference column is helpful, I'm okay with it.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:20, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

When are we going to start removing the unsourced entries?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I added the individual {{citation needed}} tags on 5 February.[3] A month seems sufficient time for sourcing so whatever is unsourced on 5 March should be removed. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Sounds fair, thanks for responding.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I verified a couple more countries and can do a few more before monday and before running out of languages. -- Skysmurf  (Talk) 15:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done

Thanks so much for all your hard work.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:42, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Bob and Midge

Somebody merged a lengthy section on Bob and Midge from a seperate article into this one. Any thoughts on how to deal with that?

• I'm not happy with the placement: there's now a "Characters" section describing only Bob and Midge, as if they were the leads.
• The other regular characters only have shorter descriptions and their own articles. Perhaps those articles could be merged into a new common "That '70s Show Characters" article or something, but the way it is now, much undue weight is given to Bob and Midge.
• The section repeats much of what is already said in the "Cast" section.

All in all, nobody discussed this merge (not here, at least) and I think it's a pretty bad idea. -- Skysmurf  (Talk) 15:24, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I can't find anywhere it's been discussed, either. There was an article on Bob and Midge (don't ask me why). There was a template on that article saying a merger was proposed in 2009 and discussed here. I looked back at the only archive for this Talk page, and I didn't see anything except an offhand allusion to it in 2011 (not a discussion). The content is clearly unacceptable in this article - there's no basis to give that much space to those two characters. I've reverted the material and pointed whomever here.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:41, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Twelve months ago all of the character information was deleted from here,[4] List of That '70s Show characters was created,[5] and articles like Midge and Bob Pinciotti were redirected. It was all reverted but no discussion ensued. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:45, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge Laurie Forman

More significant characters on lost of other shows that do not have own article. Just kinda seems like a fan page. --0pen$0urce (talk) 13:50, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

The character article is essentially an essay, referenced by scripts only. The paragraph on the character in this show article is more than sufficient. Nothing to merge, change it to a redirect.--RadioFan (talk) 14:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I am also concerned that (1) the references in the Forman article don't work and (2) even if they did, they would probably be copyright violations.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:41, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Agree, it does seem like a fan page. This character page has not even been edited (other than an IP's edit being undone) since the merge was proposed, so if there are no objections to this within a week, I will change this page to redirect to the show's article. - Bentvfan54321 (talk) 17:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

As it's been almost 3 months and there are no objections to this merge, I have performed it. The Laurie Forman article redirects to the show's article as of March 1. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Broadcast in Serbia in early 2000's

Regarding the 'International broadcasts of U.S. version' list for the series in the main article -- editors should most certainly add Serbia in that list, as the series was first aired in Serbia on one of the nation-wide TV stations called B92 beginning in early 2000's (not sure when exactly - maybe 2003. but don't take my word for it). The series was subtitled and the translated title of the series in Serbian was "Vesele 70-e" ("Jolly '70s"). It gained a fairly large amount of popularity in the audience -- both younger and old (in that regard I recall one, you may say, anecdotal event from my personal experience: back in the summer of something like 2005/2006. while riding on a bus I've overheard some older lady who was commenting on what some eighteen-year-old-looking folks were chatting about on their day out to town - the lady had fond memories of 1970's (particularly recollecting the fashion of the time) and in that regard mentioned and recommended this series she recently watched although she couldn't remember the exact title, to which they replied in their jolly mood that the series was filmed recently (not in the 1970's) and that the actors in the series are not much older than they were right then). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.87.203.193 (talk) 8:19 am, Today (UTC+11)

Addition requires a citation from a reliable source. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:46, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Reliable sources: only some rag-tag information can be traced on the internet (partial information doesn't mean it's unreliable mind you) - for example: on the OFFICIAL site for the show http://www.that70sshow.com/ under 'Global audience' section there is an alphabetical list of countries (with national flags) - the last one listed being Yugoslavia (former state consisting of Serbia and Montenegro which dissolved in 2003.) - that implies that the series was first broadcast on B92 television station (in Serbia) prior or around that time - there is an article on B92 official site announcing the series http://www.b92.net/tv/najava.php?id=495 ... and official B92 forum announcing the fifth season of the show for December 10th, 2004.: http://forum.b92.net/topic/16093-vesele-70-te/ . For more information contact B92 TV: http://www.b92.net/eng/contact.php

Vista Cruiser

Wilmer Valderrama's interview on Access Hollywood where he mentions that he bought the Vista Cruiser for no more than $500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IPM_CMRQko&t=229s Mofoq (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Redirect all That '70s Show character pages to this page.

None of the character pages have sources and several have {{Refimprove}} dating back to 2009 and it is 2013. So if no one objects i would like to redirect all that 70s show characters to this page? 184.58.24.163 (talk) 07:20, 23 November 2013 (UTC) - Redirect

There have been numerous AfDs concerning character articles similar to these and there is rarely a consensus to delete or redirect articles where the subject is a main character in a notable TV program. It's generally far more productive to attempt to establish real-world notability. --AussieLegend (✉) 10:37, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

If notability cannot be established than the pages need to be redirected. Only Michael Kelso has reasonable references (beyond the show itself, which does not establish notability at all). These pages have been tagged with notability concerns for over a year and no progress has been made, it's time to redirect them all (except Michael Kelso) --RadioFan (talk) 18:39, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I've used these very arguments myself at AfDs but the community disagrees. Wikipedia is not working to a deadline. --AussieLegend (✉) 20:38, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Deadline is not the point. Laurie Forman was already redirected and if Michael Kelso is the only decent one then I agree with RadioFan we need to redirect them. 184.58.24.163 (talk) 23:30, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

So far it is two for redirect and one against. If no one else comments within the next few days it will be considered consensus and remaining page, Red Forman, will be reverted to this page. 184.58.24.163 (talk) 00:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

We don't form WP:CONSENSUS based on the number of votes. WP:NORUSH is very relevant. Laurie Forman was redirected because she wan't a "core" main character. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

There is two for redirect and one against. Please keep the conversation at either redirecting them or not. Do not bring in other stuff as this is the Afd and consensus discussion. If no one else is against redirecting them when consensus has been reached then it needs to be merged just as others were. 184.58.24.163 (talk) 05:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Also note that the pages do not meet WP:Article development, WP:Reliable, WP:Notability, etc. 184.58.24.163 (talk) 05:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

This should be routed through WP:AFD to get community consensus. This talk page is not an AfD discussion, it's a talk page discussion. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 05:27, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Fez's Homeland/Birth place

Is it never shown where Fez had lived, but it is hinted several times during the course of the entire series progresses. He originally says that "The island has been settled by the British and Dutch, and he states that the island is 10,000 miles away." (We all know that this is an extreme exaggeration, obviously). He later states in an episode later on during the series as well: "The people are outnumbered by lizards." Or, he even says "The country has a 70 degrees temperature in the winter."

However, there was also an episode in Season 8, where one of Fez's friends, back when he was living on the island - after he had turned down Jackie - and this is when he had realizes he made a mistake. His friend states: "Come back to the Island," and Fez states: "I'll come back to Brazil." He's from one of these countries:

• Brazi
• St. Eustatius

• Falkland Islands
• Dominican Republic

• Cuba

• Venezuela

• Columbia

• Mexico

• Netherlands

• India

• Puerto Rico

But I'll say since Wilmer was from Venezuela; Fez is from Venezuela.

panicpack121 16:39, 3 March 2014