Certainly the sites you have spoken of are of the ideal. Creating a website is of course the main objective here..most likely a free geocities one for now. How do I go about actually creating a page or article on the langmaker..or is that purely a directory? Yeah, I kind of agree that Wikipedia may not be the ideal place, but to put it another way, I still think it has a place 'in spirit' as your colleague would say; to that I think we'll reach a stalemate. I gather (now that there is obviously a 'delete frenzy' on the go), my page will be promptly deleted shortly? Whats the proceedure here? But thanx agin for the advice, and I may return with an article 'about' invented languages. [[Dale34]]
Certainly the sites you have spoken of are of the ideal. Creating a website is of course the main objective here..most likely a free geocities one for now. How do I go about actually creating a page or article on the langmaker..or is that purely a directory? Yeah, I kind of agree that Wikipedia may not be the ideal place, but to put it another way, I still think it has a place 'in spirit' as your colleague would say; to that I think we'll reach a stalemate. I gather (now that there is obviously a 'delete frenzy' on the go), my page will be promptly deleted shortly? Whats the proceedure here? But thanx agin for the advice, and I may return with an article 'about' invented languages. [[Dale34]]
:The page will be deleted soonly, maybe in 2 or 3 days (there's no "official" policy about that). About langmaker, I don't know exactly how is working now (I was part of it before it became a wiki), but I saw both directory entries and some grammars... --[[User:Imaglang|Neigel von Teighen]] 13:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:The page will be deleted soonly, maybe in 2 or 3 days (there's no "official" policy about that). About langmaker, I don't know exactly how is working now (I was part of it before it became a wiki), but I saw both directory entries and some grammars... --[[User:Imaglang|Neigel von Teighen]] 13:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
==Nobs==
I think he could post to his own talk page, a mediation or an arbitration page. He needs to stay off articles, their talk pages, and other people's talk pages. He is banned until December 23 for placing extensive attacks on his user page and Talk:Chip Berlet. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 14:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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Your Welcome Message
Neigel,
I am going around trying to reduce all the redirects in Wikipedia to tidy them up. One batch of them I have found come from your Welcome notices which say welcome to Wikipedia instead of welcome to Wikipedia causing an extra redirect. Any chance you could change the template for the future. Thanks User:BozMo
Neigel you have been tricked.... is a very common name in Asia. The search on the two guys just yileds about 400 hits, and most are empy webpages. (see [1])
Argh! I see... Well, with this new information, I'm ready to happily change my vote into a big delete. ;) --Neigel von Teighen 19:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Neigel, Since your vote for delete on this AfD, I have since cleaned up to adhere to NPOV and provided evidence of Notability. Could you please change your vote to keep?
Wow, I must congratulate you: it is very rare that someone new to WP can persuade so experience users in an AFD as you did, by making the effort of defending your article! Continue so! --Neigel von Teighen 21:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thank you Neigel! I appreciate your participation in the AfD. I found the whole thing an interesting process. It's pretty cool how much the article has changed since it was first written. I plan on expanding it soon, as well (Of course staying within NN and NPOV guidelines). Thanks, again. --Dave 11:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your work on this. I think it was worthwhile, partly to convince the other party that all the proper processes were being observed and also because the article was improved. JQ 09:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I'm in a potentially awkward position with an Administrator. I have read the Wiki pages on dispute resolution but I'm still not sure how to proceed.
The Admin ContiE has a personal grudge against me for reasons I do not fully understand. He has been this way since I began frequenting wikipedia.
I have done work improving the furvert article. He has basically gone on a crusade against any edit I make. He controls every furry category article and several others ruthlessly. He is an iron fist and bans anyone he edit wars with. I had uploaded pictures and he deleted them with no talking. He seems to believe I am every person he has had an edit war against. He is always using personal attacks, calling me troll without reason. I uploaded them again and he voted them for deleted, but to his surprise the person who runs the images, thank you Nv8200p, found they were acceptable once I tagged them properly. Just recently he removed both the images without himself discussing it in the talk page (unless he was the same person who discussed only one) with the edit here [2] Then ContiE assumed bad faith, added his constant insult of troll in the talk page. It appears on a completed different wiki, a comedy one in all things, somebody else stole my username and I believe this was Conti himself and uploaded them. ContiE showed it as his reason. While vandalism like his, I would revert and mention it, he would ban me permanently if I undid his edit. That is why I am asking admins for help. He holds a couple of accounts on wikipedia and I think they are administrators so I have to be careful who I tell about this. Arights 07:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ups. You have been indefintely blocked. Then, I'll answer here: Sorry, I'm not an admin, so I can't help you. What yu could do is to ask help to an AMA advocate here, so you can run a Request for Comment (or Mediation or Arbitration) through him (for you're blocked). --Neigel von Teighen 21:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for nicely settling our petty revert war over the Etymology of Latino. It makes it much simpler to simply say Latino occurs in Romance Languages. Hopefully that will settle the matter. Thanks again! Cowman109Talk 02:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I need help with a dispute over at the Earth Day page. I'm close to computer illiterate so the conflict resolution pages weren't much help. An individual who uses earth as a screen name is deleting facts that he doesn't like. He's also adding insulting paragraphs under the "miscellaneous" heading and the discussion page. He is an ideologue and refuses to work with others towards a resolution.
By the way, how do you pronounce your name?
Thanks, Jeff Bargholz.
Yeah Neigal, we need a third person though I have already asked for one from AMA (Bargholz insists the third person was biased however). And as you can see, there are already personal attack (ie ideologue) flying around at Talk:Earth Day done by him. You may see how he handled "resolution" with personal attack. __earth(Talk) 07:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want me as mediator (i.e. try to make you both resolve the issue, without taking party), or only as a third opinion (only give some opinions and take party)? By the way, my name is Neigel (a "germanized" form of Nigel). --Neigel von Teighen 21:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ancient Greek Wikisource
I understand from your userboxes you're interested in Ancient Greek. I've submitted a proposal to add an Ancient Greek Wikisource on Meta, and I'd be very grateful if you could assist me by either voting in Support of the proposal, or even adding your name as one of the contributors in the template. (NB: I'm posting this to a lot of people, so please reply to my talkpage or to Meta) --Nema Fakei 20:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Imaglang! There is a voting at Meta for opening a Wikipedia in Quenya. Perhaps you would like to vote: here. Meanwhile, there is a test Wikipedia in Quenya started at the Incubator: here. I bet you would like to participate. :)
Hi, you are receiving this message because you have listed yourself as an active member of WP:AMA. If you aren't currently accepting inquiries for AMA, or if you have resigned, please de-list yourself from Wikipedia:AMA Members. If you are still active, please consider tending to any new requests that may appear on Category:AMA Requests for Assistance. We're going to put AMA on wheels. :) Sorry for the template spamming - we're just trying to update our records, after we had a huge backlog earlier in the week (if you've been taking cases, then sorry, and please ignore this :)). Again, sorry, and thanks! Martinp23 21:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was very pleased at how quickly you got back to me. For refresher, the user i'm attempting to put up for RfARB has filed an RfC and an RfARB in bad faith, as well as accused several other editors of persecution and personal attacks. He has even falsely reported me to adminitrative noticeboards, and placed inappropriate warning templates on my userspace and my talkspace.
One ArbCom member has voted to reject, and his reasoning "let this dispute die" seems to be influenced by the user's constant rambling about content. The ArbCom needs to realize that i'm calling his behaviour into question. Without some sort of censure, this guy is going to (1) damage the credibility of wikipedia; and (2) frustrate other editors to the point that they probably will not wish to continue working on whatever articles he's hawking. It seems absolutely inconceivable to me that he can get away with all this -- do you have any suggestions?
This is now very difficult: we need 5 accepting votes to reach arbitration. Maybe, the best should be to contact some of your witnesses and tell them to write a brief statement on the request; that could make arbs notice that this is a serious deal. --Neigel von Teighen 16:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Notices left for the witnesses regarding the urgency of their statements. I think it may come down to timing -- who posts first, ArbCom members or witnesses. In out of band contact with the ArbCom member currently commenting, he suggested trying to get a community ban from a collective group of admins. /Blaxthos 17:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The two listed (and most heavily involved) witnesses have wow submitted statements. One even went back and clarified his feeling that ArbCom needs to look into this. As far as diffs, I rearranged the workspace. Any cite-needed tags means I have a diff but haven't referenced it yet. Since I have no prior experience, I have no idea how or what to prepare. What's your opinion of what I've got so far? Thanks! /Blaxthos 01:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The statements are perfect; now it's time to wait what happens. On the other hand, your workspace maybe should need some more diffs; take a look on ongoing arbitration cases and you'll see that very few times the suggestion about not using too much evidence is respected. I have a question: have you tried oficial mediation or not? Normally, cases that haven't passed through Mediation Committee are likely to fail in being accepted for arbitration. --Neigel von Teighen 14:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is plenty of evidence to cite. ;-) Mediation was bypassed because it is apparent to everyone involved (as well as those who have reviewed the case, afaik) that Cbuhl79 is not acting in good faith -- mediation fails to be effective when both parties are not actively trying to reach an acceptable goal. I believe there would be no point in anything less than some sort of official action, as every other "give and take" attempt has been abused and ignored when it did not suit the other party. I didn't want to go into overkill on the RfARB, but perhaps I should have. Is it odd that other members have no issued any kind of opinion? /Blaxthos 01:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but the idea is to show a bit more evidence. About mediation: in my opinion, it is in most cases useless (in Wikipedia, I mean). About the case: it is very odd that no one responds and it seems to be the same in all requests... Maybe we should post a message on the talk page to see what's happening. --Neigel von Teighen 20:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We're up to four accept, one reject (4/1/0) on our case. All the other editors intimately involved with the case have written statements that try and explain how important it is for the ArbCom to hear the case. All we need is one more vote to accept, right? If/once it gets accepted, how much time will exist to prepare the case? How much evidence do we need to cite? Once it's "official" I am going to ask the other involved members to formally join the project. /Blaxthos 18:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, it is just one more vote what we need and that's something very likely to happen. About case presentation: there is no time established, you can add and edit your case summary even if arbitrators are voting their decisions, but it is rather useless to do. The best is to use the Workshop page so you can discuss with arbitrators and state your point clearly. The case summary page is only that: a summary with the statements done during request stage. Then, we also have an Evidence page; there, please put anything you have without much explanation (these are better to be placed on the Workshop page) but try not to show twice a same situation... try to be as simple but precise as possible. When arbitraton begins, I'll write also a brief statement with my opinion about Cbuhl. --Neigel von Teighen 01:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen that now the request's status s 4/2/0... we need 2 more votes now and there are 8 active arbitrators... This means that the two remaining arbitrators that haven't voted yet must support us. Well, these are the rules and we must accept it... --Neigel von Teighen 01:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Neigel... I'm fairly disappointed at how the arbitration turned out. I believe the validity of the system is degraded significantly when fewer than half of the ArbCom members are active. I don't plan on actively doing anything else with this case, and I think it's fine to close. However, there is strong belief that Cbuhl79 is now using a sockpuppet to advance the same agenda, and if we end up discovering that to be true I may try and re-open the case. If so, will you take it? Or do I just start the process over? In any case, it was a pleasure working with you and I sincerely appreciate your interest, guidance, and insight! /Blaxthos 16:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Greek language template
Hi, thanks for creating that new template for the periodization of Greek. But don't you think it sort of duplicates what Template:History of the Greek language is already doing? I'm not sure if we really need both. - Fut.Perf.☼ 15:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think Template:History of the Greek language should be transformed into a "Greek language family" template. This one I created seems to me to be more flexible and uses a lot of less space than the other one. Also, this is an adaptation of the template used in Latin-related articles, so both major classical languages can have a similar format (and maybe exiend this to all other classical languages like Persian, Sanskrit, etc.). What do you think about it? --Neigel von Teighen 18:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am less concerned about the questions of style in the article: Mason Welch Gross, they can be settled by a coin toss. There are very few style rules in the MoS, so most decisions are made by the two or three people editing an article. What concerns me is calling my additions to the article "vandalism" and "fucking up". He is threatening me, to get me to stop editing articles he has created, or articles he feels he owns. When he deletes the timeline, he is deleting the link to the 1920 census image that establishes Mason Gross's parents and siblings.
"Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Without implying in any fashion a sense of ownership, please stop fucking up article I've worked on by adding things that don't belong (timeline, bad form in creating two-sentence sections, etc.). I've told you before, and in this case the information you segregated as "timeline" is already in the article, and if it isn't figure a way to incorporate it in the text. How many times do I have to tell you to stop such unjustified changes. STOP renaming articles in violation of the guidelines regarding naming (common names, for one), sectioning off short one, two or three sentence sections, adding puerile or redundant "timelines" and other "fluff" that I've brought up to you before. Further reversions or edits in this regard will be reported as vandalism. —ExplorerCDT 23:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)"
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. He is trying to intimidate me to stop me from editing New Jersey topics for which he feels he has ownership. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 20:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, first let's get the diffs so we can begin to prepare the first step (almost surely a Request for Comment). If we enter a RfC, the idea is that both parties present their evidence and then other users give their support to whomever they think is right... It's the first step on Wikipedia's Dispute Resolution system (see here). At least for now, I would not recommend you an informal mediation unless he starts it. Anyway, you shouldn't scare because of those warnings; Explorer is not an administrator, so he can't block anyone. --Neigel von Teighen 00:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Message forwarded to User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) --Neigel von Teighen 17:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
dal'qörian deletion
Thanks Neigel, I'll certainly check out the site you suggested as it seems there is no place here for my article, the gang against me is increasing in size and tenacity! Shame though, cause in theory, Wikipedia is actually an ideal place. 23:13 1/12/06 User:Dale34
Ehm, no, Wikipedia is not the ideal place... This is an encyclopedia, you can't create articles with your own inventions. In the other hand, the sites I told you about are specialized on this topic. There, the community is devoted to conlanging and the idea is not an encycopedia but a source for conlangs. Anyway, my personal thought (as it was when I experimented creating languages) is that you need control and copyright over your articles (not GFDL as in wikis); you won't be happy if someone 'corrects' dal'qörian grammar, would you? Consider better creating a website and then listing it on the Langmaker directory... What do you say? --Neigel von Teighen 19:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly the sites you have spoken of are of the ideal. Creating a website is of course the main objective here..most likely a free geocities one for now. How do I go about actually creating a page or article on the langmaker..or is that purely a directory? Yeah, I kind of agree that Wikipedia may not be the ideal place, but to put it another way, I still think it has a place 'in spirit' as your colleague would say; to that I think we'll reach a stalemate. I gather (now that there is obviously a 'delete frenzy' on the go), my page will be promptly deleted shortly? Whats the proceedure here? But thanx agin for the advice, and I may return with an article 'about' invented languages. Dale34
The page will be deleted soonly, maybe in 2 or 3 days (there's no "official" policy about that). About langmaker, I don't know exactly how is working now (I was part of it before it became a wiki), but I saw both directory entries and some grammars... --Neigel von Teighen 13:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nobs
I think he could post to his own talk page, a mediation or an arbitration page. He needs to stay off articles, their talk pages, and other people's talk pages. He is banned until December 23 for placing extensive attacks on his user page and Talk:Chip Berlet. Fred Bauder 14:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
