User talk:Wikieditor19920

Your GA nomination of Alan Dershowitz

The article Alan Dershowitz you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Alan Dershowitz for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of TheEpicGhosty -- TheEpicGhosty (talk) 21:40, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Will do my best to get to this ASAP! Wikieditor19920 (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Ilhan

Just a thought -- stuff like talking about rumours about her affair (yes -- I agree -- widely reported on by RS, but still)... is likely a thorn in the side of any future attempt to get the actually DUE info into the article: the complaints by Jewish Americans, spanning the political spectrum and including high profile men and women as well as her own constituents, about her rhetoric. Which maybe I too went about the wrong way, but one thing I can say for sure is that this current endeavour will convince many an editor who would otherwise sit on the fence that what is going on is a number of editors being "out to get her" (even though I do not think that is the case). As I said, just a thought. --Calthinus (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. I try not to concern myself with that kind of stuff, though. I try to evaluate each individual content proposal on its merits as it relates to policy/consistency. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism

I notice you deleted the discussion of Ilhan Omar. I said that your comments accused other editors of insensitivity to anti-Semitism, you denied that and asked for a source, I provided the source and then you said that other editors were insensitive to anti-Semitism. When you bring in this type of argumentation it's like the endless loop in a computer program. You will deny you accused other editors of anti-Semitism, I will provide evidence, you will defend your position, I will say it's a bad position, you will deny it's your position and ask for evidence. Why don't you just clearly state your position and arguments? Maybe your position is correct. But we will never know unless you use rational arguments to defend it. TFD (talk) 04:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@The Four Deuces: I think you'll find my arguments pretty clearly stated. @You will deny you accused other editors of anti-Semitism.: Provide the quote where I said anything of this sort. (Hint: I didn't.) Wikieditor19920 (talk) 07:06, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant insensitivity to anti-Semitism. TFD (talk) 12:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

You should be more precise with your posts and your reading. I criticized a specific discussion for its result—I didn't speculate about the motivations, and certainly not in the way you suggest. WP:AGF. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 18:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

You wrote, "The community has refused to consider allegations (of anti-semitism) covered by the NYTimes as WP:DUE." My reading is that you are saying the community is insensitive to anti-Semitism. So you don't think it showed insensitivity in leaving out allegations of anti-Semitism that had been covered in reliable sources or that the average reader who read it that way? TFD (talk) 19:52, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@The Four Deuces: Given some of the remarks on that page, with editors defending the remarks instead of discussing policy, which you have neither acknowledged nor addressed, I find it curious that you've decided to jump all over me for my critique. However, if an insensitivity to anti-semitism if perceived like you suggest, it would be because of the discussion and its result, not my criticism of it as incorrect on policy grounds. I am entitled to that opinion, I made none of the insinuations or accusations you are attributing to me, and I don't need to justify it to you. Do not continue badgering me about it or falsely insinuating that I made some accusation against another editor, WP:NPA. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 20:03, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, any editor is allowed to remove unproductive conversations from their talk page, without having to explain themselves or be criticized for it. Consider it the end of the discussion. WP:TALKOWN. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 20:05, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

PA

Please read wp:npa calling a user a troll is a serious allegation that should not be made lightly.Slatersteven (talk) 16:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Slatersteven: I don't think I called anyone a troll. Please raising frivolous issues regarding RfC and review the relevant policy page. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 16:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

NO you accused them of trolling ("you are basically confirming that you are trolling right now"), which is the same thing.Slatersteven (talk) 17:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC) to f

@Slatersteven: I actually agree -- better to react more diplomatically. I've redacted it. For your part, stop making frivolous arguments about form on the RfC, which is in compliance w/ the guidelines, and please focus on substance. Thanks. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Alan Dershowitz

The article Alan Dershowitz you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Alan Dershowitz for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of TheEpicGhosty -- TheEpicGhosty (talk) 02:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Wish I could've gotten to this sooner... Will try again and hopefully get it up again in next few months. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 04:03, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Please stay off my talk page unless you wish to bring my attention to a constructive argument. Discussion concerning a specific article's edits belongs at that article's talk page. If you have any concerns about my editing beyond a specific article, the right place to go is WP:ANI. Thanks. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 20:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Zloyvolsheb: I wish to bring attention to your problematic editing, and your talk page is the appropriate place to do so. You are engaging in obvious POV editing at Bernie Sanders. You are removing a controversy about his views expressed in an interview that received substantial coverage from the NYT and other pieces. You have paid little attention to other aspects of the article. I would be happy to submit for review your pattern of attempting to selectively remove controversial or negative information from that page, which is strong evidence of inappropriate POV editing. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 20:12, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Then please do submit it for further review, I encourage it. In the meantime, use article talk pages and do not post threats on my personal talk page. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 20:14, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Zloyvolsheb: Your arguments at that page make no sense. You are suggesting "grammatical" issues (??? the grammar is perfect) as a basis for wholesale removal of views he expressed that were criticized in national publications. You understand how this looks? It comes off as blatant whitewashing with a weak perfunctory alternative argument. Dispute resolution is not a threat. I suggest you discuss content and how it can be improved before making such heavy use of your "delete" button when it comes to controversies or possible criticisms at the Bernie Sanders article. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

AE: Discretionary sanctions enforcement (American politics 1932-)

As you were previously asked to refrain from personally attacking those with different views from yourself by multiple people, I am submitting a discretionary sanctions enforcement request against you at WP:AE. Please comment there. Thank you. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 00:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

FYI

Please self-correct this [1]. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not really my job to track which comments you went back and later revised. Further, that diff does not change the meaning of your comment in any substantial way. You are free to offer the "correction" on the AE page. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Your call, it was noted. I believe there is a difference. [2] Zloyvolsheb (talk) 00:43, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

That's fine. I've provided a link to the copy-edited diff. You also stated you are assuming good faith, and did the opposite by suggesting I "misused" the pre-copy edit diff. No one notices these copy edits; the sentiment of your argument came through. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 01:09, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Actually, what I said was it was clear misuse but I also assumed an "honest mistake." Since it was an inappropriate diff it was technically misuse, but my intention was to avoid connoting that it was a deliberate misuse (abuse) as opposed to inadvertent. So I added that to make it clearer. Anyway, thanks for correcting it. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 01:20, 14 April 2020 (UTC)