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Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue VI - August 2006

The August 2006 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

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Pericles

I am deeply obliged to your consideration, and your second thoughts. I will see if there are any tweaks which would be helpful, but it was clear that the article would deserve to be featured, so the worst the closure can have done will be to give the star a day or two earlier than it might have been. As it was, it was better than many articles which have appeared on the main page. Septentrionalis 18:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note on my talk page; it's good to see that everything has worked out for the best. I really enjoyed working with you on this article, which is one of the most thoroughly researched articles I've ever seen on Wikipedia. Keep up the great work! --Robth^Talk 20:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, it looks like it's going to finally make FA! I am having some major anger building up against a couple of admins who are doing some very weird things with my university IP addresses (in a nutshell indefinitely blocking the IPs but allowing account creation, because a month ago a vandal with an account claimed he was from this university), so I think I will take a break from wikipedia for a few days to try to forget about it and restrain myself from killing people. So an early congrats to you for almost completely on your own writing such a great FA-quality article! P.S. I have started looking through Demosthenes, looking good so far, I will try to write something on its talk page once I'm done with it.--Konstable 00:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

So they finally got around to giving us the star! :) well, it was mostly your work, of course ;) Glad I could help a bit. Druworos 22:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Demosthenes and putting Pericles on the front page

I have left some notes for you on Talk:Demosthenes. And I have put up a request for Pericles to be displayed on the front page: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#Pericles. The description is pretty much the lead of the article with some minor bits cropped, and the very last bit from the Legacy section.--Konstable 14:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

A quick update. Pericles has been scheduled to appear on the front page on the 18th of September. (See Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 18, 2006)--Konstable 01:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject:Greek History

Thanks for getting back to me. I like the Wikiproject:India paradigm. That should work well. Let me know what you need me to do, and I am in.Argos'Dad 22:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Μακάρι να μπορούσα να βοηθήσω. Δυστυχώς είμαι σκράπας στην ιστορία. Έχω κλίση στις "θετικές επιστήμες". Ότι έμαθα, το έμαθα εδώ και από την τρέλα μου το έψαξα. Ειδικά για το Μακεδονικό. Στα υπόλοιπα, βάση και με το ζόρι!

Όσο για τις σκέψεις σου, μου αρέσουν. Βασικά, όμως, πρέπει να σου απαντήσω mu για κάποιες από αυτές. Πιστεύω να καταλάβεις. Για τα υπόλοιπα, διάβασε την τρίτη σημείωση στη συζήτησή μου. :-) •NikoSilver• 21:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for notifying me about this. I am interested!! However it will be a while before I can start helping (exams end October 20). I think that it will not be too hard finding people to help, especially in the ancient and byzantine history parts. I also think that it may be too big a project to undertake (Greece has such a huge story to tell), but if the indians (talk about a huge story...) can do it, so can we. Γιατί στα λέω αγγλικά; Έλα μου ντε... --Michalis Famelis (talk) 09:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Βασικά, μπορώ να βοηθήσω ως προς το θέμα της ενημέρωσης χρηστών. Μόλις το ετοιμάσετε, ρίξε μου κάνα σύρμα. Θα έλεγα επίσης να φτιάξετε κάνα ενημερωτικό εβδομαδιαίο ή μηνιαίο μηνυματάκι για τα άρθρα που ξεκινούν και χρειάζονται επέκταση κλπ που θα πηγαίνει σε μια λίστα ενδιαφερομένων. Έχεις παραδείγματα? Δες: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Outreach/Newsletter_August_2006 •NikoSilver• 09:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Areopagus

Γεια. Δε μου λες, μιας και εισαι δικηγορος, το Court of Cassation (Greece) αναφερεται στον Αρειο Παγο? Δεν μπορω να το εξηγησω διαφορετικα: υπαρχουν τα αρθρα Ανώτατο Ειδικό Δικαστήριο, ΣΤΕ, Ελεγκτικό Συνέδριο και τουτο. Μου κανει εντυπωση που το συγκεκριμενο ειναι stub ενω τα υπολοιπα ειναι αρκετα ανεπτυγμενα. Νομιζα οτι ο Αρειος Παγος ειναι πιο σημαντικο δικαστηριο!! Αν οντως προκειται για τον αρειο παγο, πες μου να το προσθεσω στο αρθρο. Ευχαριστω απο τα πριν --Michalis Famelis (talk) 17:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:FR/DP/FD FAC

Hi Yannismarou - I've replied to your points. These are very good observations, but I feel are based on generalizations and wrong perspective. I've given a detailed reply on the FAC page - please check it out. Rama's arrow 15:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Unacessed article category

Hi Yannis, I seem not to able to find the category Category:Unassessed History of Greece articles in the Greek War of Independence when I edit it and therefore I can't remove it. The article has been assessed B-class. Can you let me know how to take the category out? Thanks. Dr.K. 22:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: WPHOG

Ah, no problem! I originally thought you were just testing something, but then I realized you were creating a set of directories with that image. :-) Kirill Lokshin 16:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: FR/DP/FD

Hi - I apologize for my ignorance in this debate. I did find some good court case examples. Please see these recent edits in which I've added details of some major court cases to different sections of the article. I will continue to search for more examples Rama's arrow 17:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi again - I must really apologize for my abject ignorance. Thanks to your insistence, I've gone and uncovered several interesting court cases. Please have a look again at the article. Rama's arrow 19:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Απάντηση

Γεια, σχετικά με αυτό, θέλω να ξέρεις ότι εγώ δεν έγραψα αυτό, αλλά ένας ανώνυμος χρήστης. Συγνώμη που δεν σου απάντησα αμέσως, αλλά έχω περιορισμένο βικι-χρόνο τώρα, και αναμένεται να έχω για τις επόμενες εβδομάδες. Ήταν πολύ καλή ιδέα να ξεκινήσεις αυτό το πρότζιεκτ και θα συμμετάσχω όποτε μπορώ. Σου συμβουλεύω να ενημερώσεις τον User:Adam Carr και τον User:Deucalionite. Αυτοί είναι από τους χρήστες που έχουν συνεισφέρει πολύ στα άρθρα σχετικά με την ιστορία της Ελλάδας. --Telex 18:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Biography Newsletter September 2006

The September 2006 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. plange 00:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece

Pos mporw na symmetasxw? Mitsos 12:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		For your help in Peer reviews for WikiProject Biography! It's been such a relief having you step up to the plate and helping in this important area! plange 01:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

link to Persian

Hello, when you want to link to the article about something Persian, please do not link to Persian, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as Persian people, Persian language, or Iran, by writing out [[Persian language|Persian]] or [[Iran|Persian]]. Regards, Jeff3000 03:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

OK! Thanks!--Yannismarou 09:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

BC Page

Yan, please don't bail on the BC page. I'm not asking to duke things out or get in the middle of a war. My request for more editors and eyes was because, as you've seen, there are some "difficult" people working the article.

Please don't think that I'm asking you to take "my" side in the article either. Just having another user stop by, another witness or point of view, to say "I think this is fair and that isn't" really helps to keep things under control and managable on that page.

I'm planning on re-writing the page to conform to the Biography formats you linked. I know that's going to cause yet another war... no matter how hard I try to stop it.

Thanks.Jodyw1 19:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA. Consensus to promote was reached, and I am now an administrator. I'll be using the tools cautiously at first, and everyone should feel welcome to peer over my shoulder and make sure I'm not doing anything foolish. I really appreciated your kind words on the RfA--it's great to hear nice things about yourself from people you respect.

About Alcibiades, you're right about the length of the lead; I've been writing really long ones recently, for some reason. I'll hopefully have time to go over the whole article soon; what I've seen so far looks rock solid (and an impressive turnaround from the POV morass that the article was a few months ago). I'm a little tied up researching and writing a paper (about the Delian League, actually) this weekend, but I should have some time to spare for everyone's favorite charismatic nobleman in the next few days. I'll (hopefully) have an article for you to look over soon; I'm almost done with an offline rewrite of Theramenes. Looking forward to working with you. --Robth^Talk 03:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, brilliant, I see you got straight to work on that; I've uploaded my working draft of the larger article at User:Robth/sandbox2 (what's currently at the article will probably end up as the lead of the finished product); I still have several sections to write, obviously, but I'd be very interested to hear what your sources say about the various historical controversies of his life. --Robth^Talk 07:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to point this out to you--check out the new Perseus implementation at http://perseus.uchicago.edu/hopper/. It's got to be two or three times faster, and I haven't hit a server error yet--never again will I have to click refresh five times to read the next section of Diodorus Siculus! I'm going to have to get around to converting all my citations to point to that one of these days. --Robth^Talk 00:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

My rewrite is complete, and I've opened a couple of peer reviews; I ended up having to remove the bits you put into the lead, as Diodorus is considered unreliable for that period, but I did write up an account of T's dramatic last moments for the appropriate section in the article.

I saw that you have not only Alcibiades but also Demosthenes getting ready for a run at FA. It's an exciting time to be writing about Ancient Greece on Wikipedia--I really feel like we're starting to build up some momentum! You should take a look, by the way, at WP:100K--discussion about how to massively increase the number of featured-quality articles we produce; the more input from people who know how to write good articles, the better. Exciting times, all in all. --Robth^Talk 06:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Demosthenes

This is an impressive piece of work/artwork. It was well crafted and deserve the best recognition. I, however, cannot in any way give you insight as I am not well-versed in Ancient Greece. As for the style, it would probably be well received by the FAC process. Good luck for the rest. Lincher 13:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Aspasia, more

The quality of the prose in Aspasia was actually quite high; I only had to make a few minor changes (for future reference, I've noticed that you tend to say "thereby" when you mean "thus" or "therefore"; easy ones to confuse, to be sure. Your writing is quite good for a non-native speaker, and the quality of the research I've seen in your articles so far is superb; researching and laying out an article is by far the vast majority of the work; I wouldn't be too concerned about your unfamiliarity with the language imposing limitations on your potential as a contributor; more than anything right now, Wikipedia needs people with the skills to write the well researched and thoughtful articles that must eventually become our standard product, and you have certainly demonstrated that you can do that.

With regards to reviewing FACs, I think your concerns about depth of research are well placed--although I must confess that I myself didn't draw so widely myself before you raised the bar with Pericles; Corinthian War, for instance, relies too heavily on a single modern source. You might be interested by the citation checking project I tried to do a month or so ago. It ended up being too time for me to keep it up, but it was an interesting project while it lasted; checking the quality of references and the accuracy of citations is an important aspect of FAC that gets neglected all too often, which concerns me. The small cross-section I saw while I was doing the spot checks indicated that numerous FAs probably contain at least a few citations that do not point to sources for the statements in the article. Quality of research and accuracy of citations will need to be areas of focus as we look to raise the reliability of the encyclopedia in the months and years to come. --Robth^Talk 16:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Yannis. I felt that the incredible quality of your contributions to Demosthenes, Alcibiades, Aspasia and Pericles deserved a small proof of my gratitude for your work: so let me give you this barnstar. Ciao,--Aldux 14:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

For the new featured article Aspasia, and also the magnificent Demosthenes, I, Aldux, award the Epic Barnstar to Yannismarou.

England expects

Please take another look at England expects that every man will do his duty (FAR). I have rewritten and cited the article. Thanks, Yomangani^talk 15:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

W. S. Gilbert

Thanks for all the advice on fixing this up - the article looks a lot better, and is much more readable now that most of the quotes have been moved off to side-boxes. Still needs citations, though: Having trouble finding where my books are on him, though, admittedly, I don't have many of the best ones. Adam Cuerden ^talk 17:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

It is better, but it obviously looks more work. When you are ready, come for another peer-review!--Yannismarou 19:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Third Servile War FAC

I've expanded the Aftermath section of the article. I would appreciate it if you could have a look and see if it addresses your expressed concerns. Thanks :) - Vedexent 00:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Gilberto Silva

Hi Yannismarou! Thanks for your comments about 10 days ago on the Gilberto Silva article. I have spent a lot of time improving the article based on your (and many other peoples) suggestions. I'd really appreciate it if you could pop over and tell me what you think of the revamped version. (Criticisms are what I love the most...)

Thanks again, and all the best, -GilbertoSilvaFan 17:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Yannismarou. I want to thank you again for the suggestions you left on the Gilberto article, it's the best feedback I've had yet. (Call me a masochist, but I love criticisms...)

I have a question though, it's about your suggestion regarding the Honours section. How do you suggest I change the Honours section into prose? I agree with you that prose is better to read, but isn't the Honours section of any players article always going to be a list? I think that if the section has to be changed into prose, it will be duplicate info, since all the trophies he's won is covered in the main biography. I think if the honours section is in a list, it makes it easier to use as a quick reference, too. Do you have an example of a footballer article where the honours section isn't a list?

I don't normally question advice that I'm given on Wikipedia, but this one instance really made me think. I think the honours section in a players article is very useful (I've used it many times) to quickly see what a player has won in his career. I agree that listy sections aren't recommended, but isn't it rather like a stats section - just a list of data? Anyway, I'd love to know your take on this, and if you know of any more reasons as to why honours sections should be written in prose, I'd love to hear them. I'll happily rewrite it, I'd just like to know your thinking on this.

In the mean time, I'll get rid of the short paragraphs in the Arsenal Career section, lengthen Style of Play, and cite my sources fully. I'll probably write to you again in a week once I'm happy I've completed all those suggestions you've given... so - speak to you soon.

Thanks again, and all the best; -GilbertoSilvaFan 01:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool, that's sound advice. Before I try and get it FA-status I'll get it peer reviewed, and see what some other people think of the honours section. The only football player article which has been featured is Denis Law. He is retired though, so it's a slightly different kind of article. In that article the honours section is a list, but like I say, I'll check what other people think first before taking that as gospel. Also, good idea on the lead text, I'll expand it soon.

Thanks once again - your advice is invaluable =) -GilbertoSilvaFan 07:25, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello mate, me again. Just letting you know that I've edited Gilberto Silva to reflect the changes you suggested. Here's what I've added specifically,

• Explanded the sentences in the intro text. (If still isn't long enough, what kind of thing would you suggest adding? I'm never sure when it comes to intro-text...)
• Expanded/merged short paragraphs in the Arsenal Career section. I also made it a bit more tale-like :-)
• Vastly expanded Style of Play - and included two printed references

What do you think? Anything missed out? Thanks again, -GilbertoSilvaFan 15:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

You're right about the weasel word. I think I may have completely made up the "most pundits" claim. Silly me. I'll delete it.

With regards to the lead text, what kind of thing can I put in there which isn't already there? Stuff about his early life? For example, could I write "Gilberto was raised in a poor family, and as a child he tentatively balanced playing football with various non-footballing jobs."? Or maybe something about his life outside football? Most footballer articles have lead text listing all their various awards and accolades, but Gilberto doesn't have many. I agree that it needs to be expanded though. Maybe a Peer Review will be helpful at this time. Thanks for your help again mate, I really appreciate it. -GilbertoSilvaFan 17:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

A-Class ratings

Just a minor note: while it probably doesn't matter in this case (as the article will hopefully make FA soon), future A-Class ratings really ought go through the review process; it's not going to be very meaningful if people just ignore it. Thanks! :-) Kirill Lokshin 13:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Oups!!! You are right!!! I'm really sorry! And I knew that!--Yannismarou 14:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

FAR

Yomangani worked on Transit of Venus - needs another look. Regards, Sandy 13:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history Newsletter - Issue VII - September 2006

The September 2006 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

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Well done και μπράβο σου. Politis 12:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Arctic Monkeys

Hi! You commented on the Arctic Monkeys FAC, and I have responded to your comments. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 10:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Demosthenes

Actually, Demosthenes would qualify for WP:MILHIST in any case: "Demosthenes fought as a mere hoplite." Please feel free to list him up for peer review at your leisure! :-) Kirill Lokshin 17:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Congratulations

Thanks Yannismarou =) I will come back eventually, but probably not soon. (And I am only here now because I got a harrassment email and had a sudden urge to ban the user who sent it). Good luck with your articles! --Konst.able 20:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

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Citing sources

Howdy! First of all, wanted to say thanks for your diligent and consistent peer reviews for WPBIO! This is really needed and makes our project stronger!

On another note, I thought I'd see if you could weigh in over at Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources? The debates are going on in several threads there, but it starts with my post (which I posted for the sake of getting the discussion going, not because I agreed with it). Since you're a "citer" like I am, you might want to have a look over there. Cheers! --plange 02:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. We'll co-exist just fine, we simply need to make contributions to that article. It's the Greek wikipedians' fault (myself included) that the article lacks the information that concerns Greek history. I didn't join the project earlier because I thought I wouldn't have time to contribute efficiently, but I'll just do my best. Miskin 22:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Syggnomi gia tin parenoxlisi alla eixa autes tis paragrafous etoimes edo kai poly kairo kai den tis eixa balei epeidi tsakonomoun me ton malaka. Mou fanike aparaitito na tis balo tora gia na apoktisei ena skeleto to arthro. Tha prostheso argotera plirofories pou exo proxeires sxetika me tis genikes leitourgies ton Fanarioton stin autokratoria, kai meta prepei na syggentrothoume sto kommati tis ellinikis epanastasis pou de fainetai katholou sto arthro sou (ektos apo ta teleutaia edits pou ekanes). Euxaristw. Miskin 14:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome, Miskin. No problem. I think we can improve this article.--Yannismarou 14:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Greece

Thanks for your suggestions and advice. They really help and I appreciate it. I'll take your suggestions into consideration and I'll get started on improving the article. Nice work by the way on articles like Pericles. Thanks. Periklis* 02:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

FAR noms

Hi Yannis. I've been suggesting to people that they avoid two noms in a single day and try to space them out at least a week or so (we actually just discussed this on FAR talk). This is to avoid over-loading the page and allowing people a chance to give some TLC to each. Marskell 17:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok! I did not know that.--Yannismarou 18:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi

I have been reading your contributions to Demosthenes and I just wanted to say ευχαριστώ. This is exactly what Wikipedia is about. Great job! Danny 00:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Review of Demosthenes article

As you requested in your message to me, I read through the latest version of your article on Demosthenes, other than the section "Rhetorical legacy". While I have made some minor changes to correct grammar and spelling and to use more appropriate words, overall I think it reads very well.

I left the section on "Rhetorical legacy" alone as I have no expertise on this subject.

Your article on Demosthenes is easy to follow, informative and thorough. For a person for whom English is not his first language, you have written an excellent and comprehensive article on a very important person in Ancient Greek history. A quality effort. Well done!! --Chaleyer61 13:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Featured article medal

		The Featured Article Medal
		I, Robth award Yannismarou the Featured Article Medal for his outstanding featured contributions, Pericles, Aspasia, and Alcibiades—may they be only the beginning of a long list. You've made a big splash around here in just a few months; I can't wait to see what comes next!

Thanks a lot, my friend! And also thanks for the copy-editing in Demosthenes.--Yannismarou 07:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

No problem at all. I'm sure there are many ways of writing it, so don't be too worried about only one 'correct' way. By the way, your new FAC looks brilliant! Very well done. As a mathematics student I am a bit fond of ancient Greece so I'll be looking forward to any future work you do. Cheers, darkliight^[πalk] 17:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Colbert FAC

Ouch... Don't bite! I'm still kind of new. After the peer review, those of us interested really started to make some positive changes on the article, removing the quotes and placing the Wikiquote box. Removing several unnecessary external links. The problem was that since he is such a popular figure right now, we had so many people coming in adding new useless information and nonsense and vandolism that we had to clean up. It turned out that there really weren't as many "serious" wikipedians interesting in doing the grunt work on the article. I understand and completely respect your objections. I would suggest however that in the future you leave comments to the article themselves, because honestly I did take the suggestions seriously and your attack at me I took personally. I think that I've done a great deal of hard work on wikipedia and this was my first article that I had ever submitted for FA candidacy and I personally thought it met the criteria. I didn't know any better. Thank you.--Twintone 14:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Demosthenes

When an author can't formulate the content of his article in several phrases, it makes a bad impression on me. If you change your lead to something along the lines of Aspasia, I will support. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Either you write a really good article or you write an article conforming to your own (questionable) interpretation of the guidelines. I don't compare Demosthenes to Alcibiades, because its lead is also longish and I would state my objections, if I had looked into WP:FAC more often. If you really think that a lead can't be cut in half and call my suggestions "not actionable", it only shows that you are not interested in my vote. You have a lot of them without me. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Iron Maiden FAR

Could you give me a little advice on the lead? I know the cites could be used in the legacy section, but would the actual info still be used there and so on? I'm really no good with lead sections, so I'm unsure how to make it concise and to the point.

As concerns the Mick Wall book I'm using, I'm using the 2001 edition and not the 2004 one, so won't the page numbers cause confusion? Just a thought. LuciferMorgan 22:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Somebody will keep changing it to the latest edition, whereas I'm using the 2001 edition. I hate editors who blindly change book refs to the latest edition. LuciferMorgan 11:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Phanariotes

I've broken the rule, and I'll deal with the consequences. IMO, your comments on the 3RR reports page and on mine are ill-adjusted, unfair, and irrelevant, as irrelevant as your reasons for providing the link. I stick by this opinion, and I note that several users dislike this system per the wikipedia conventions you "cite". Dahn 09:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Einai anypoforos. An tyxei na eimai online kai yparksei problima tha epembo. An thes pantos anafere kai tin parabasi ton tria rho pou eixe kanei mazi mou prin mia ebdomada. Tou tin eixa xarisei tote alla to metaniono tora epeidi blepo pos den katalabainei me to kalo. Afiste ton na kanei osa rv thelei, apo do ki empros tha ton kataggelnoume se kathe eukairia, mexri na katalabei oti den mporei na kanei tou kefaliou tou. Miskin 10:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Kai pshfisa kai ola kala. Efage oktw writses o typos gia na isiwsei. Den ton antexw allo oute egw. Koita to talk mou gian na katalabeis ti trabh3a. Gia na stamathsei, anagkasthka kai "ekleisa" th syzhthsh san pshfoforia! •NikoSilver• 19:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

This is an English-language project, so please use English. Since (ab)use of other languages on talk pages has been reprimanded in the past, I request you to provide translation of the messages posted above. Thanks, Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I assumed it was not your intention to use your talk page for hosting what looks like conspirational activities, but your defiant response seems to prove that I was wrong. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Where did I call you a "conspirator", I would like to know. Stalking me and throwing wanton accusations does not seem very helpful. Although I have very little desire in prolonging my interaction with you, I move the topic to WP:VPP, so that uninvolved people could comment on the issue. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Let's be friends and assume good faith. I did not want to offend you and you need not react so nervously to any criticism. You should be aware that I neither side with Dahn nor with you in this conflict. Actually, I did not write anything about Romanians but I started a couple of articles about Greeks. I hope that our misunderstandings are the past. When you will be preparing a new FA, please let me know; perhaps I will be of some help (perhaps not :). Good luck, Ghirla ^-трёп- 17:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)