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:Almost a year passed from your comment, somehow there was no time to answer. Unfortunately, my edit was not based on any kind of earlier revisions, any historical or political ideology. It was written in the best intent to explain the origin and history of the title.--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata#top|talk]]) 14:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC) |
:Almost a year passed from your comment, somehow there was no time to answer. Unfortunately, my edit was not based on any kind of earlier revisions, any historical or political ideology. It was written in the best intent to explain the origin and history of the title.--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata#top|talk]]) 14:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Yoshiki images == |
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I noticed that you removed some images from [[Yoshiki (musician)]]. There are now only two images of him, and two images of pianos. I think the article should have some more photos of Yoshiki, at least one showing the drums. ([[:File:Yoshiki with drum kit 2011.jpg]], [[:File:Yoshiki playing drums.jpg]]) One with Toshi would be good, too, because the relationship is important: [[:File:X Japan 20100704 Japan Expo 32.jpg]]. |
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What do you think? [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 04:39, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:The images were removed to make the article more concentrated around his solo career, and there is no enough text to support too many images. The monitor, ie., screen resolution will increase, and while am working on an article, with the opportunity to see it in from smaller (800x600) to bigger (1920x1200) resolution size, am always trying to keep balance between the information, text, images and music samples. For an encyclopedia is important to keep an article in good aesthetic shape. Also, is important to "keep on eye" what kind of impression it leaves, in this case about an artist. Those two images are more than sufficent, one of him, which shows he is a modern composer, and other playing the piano, which shows he is a pianist and is conncected with the release of his latest album. I added three music samples, which is more important for composers than images. Think that there could be added one more photo of Yoshiki, in the Equipment (drums) section, but first it needs text, like in Japanese redaction ([https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/YOSHIKI Yoshiki]). I would recommend this image ([[:File:Yoshiki with drum kit 2011.jpg]]). Would not prefer the other one, which is more personal, while with the piano ([[:File:Yoshiki playing the piano.jpg]]) is an excellent image, but there is no space for it. Would note that both images need to have the watermark erased. There is no need for an image with Toshi on article about Yoshiki, there is an excellent live image from the concert on the article about [[X Japan]]. Do you have any ideas about the article?--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata#top|talk]]) 18:11, 13 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::I agree about the image of Yoshiki standing on his drum stool. I disagree about the number of images the article can support, but let's not worry about that. I will add the drums image. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 18:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC) |
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== Dalmatian Croat (people) == |
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:There is no need for false accusations, there is no wrong intentions from my side, and it's up to you to see why are you not accepting my warnings for using unreliable sources for controversal or unexplained claims, and writing prone to nationalism. The actual majority of your contribution was copyediting from beforehand edited articles, and the use of sources was sparse, what doesn't matter because you had such sources. The "yours" last revision was on May 7, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morlachs&oldid=607545683 607545683], with 9,741 bytes, while rewritten by me, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morlachs&oldid=611797848 611797848], with new material on June 6 around 21,202 bytes, yet several times like on June 8, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morlachs&oldid=612031978 612031978], you reverted it to your previous revision, removing 11,460 bytes of information, and not with sources which only partially mention Morlachs and the text highlight the connection with Serbs, but from scientific sources specifically studying Morlachs and Vlachs, with citatations found in those books and papers, explaining the etymology, its chronology, and more. To further avoid edit claims which identify the term Morlach, or elsewhere, with specific national identity, religion and vice versa, without understanding, or explaining in the article, the historical circumstances until late 19th century, I highly recommend you to read the work of Zef Mirdita and Ivan Mužić on Vlachs. Further reply reading [[User talk:Zoupan#Morlachs|here.]] |
:There is no need for false accusations, there is no wrong intentions from my side, and it's up to you to see why are you not accepting my warnings for using unreliable sources for controversal or unexplained claims, and writing prone to nationalism. The actual majority of your contribution was copyediting from beforehand edited articles, and the use of sources was sparse, what doesn't matter because you had such sources. The "yours" last revision was on May 7, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morlachs&oldid=607545683 607545683], with 9,741 bytes, while rewritten by me, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morlachs&oldid=611797848 611797848], with new material on June 6 around 21,202 bytes, yet several times like on June 8, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morlachs&oldid=612031978 612031978], you reverted it to your previous revision, removing 11,460 bytes of information, and not with sources which only partially mention Morlachs and the text highlight the connection with Serbs, but from scientific sources specifically studying Morlachs and Vlachs, with citatations found in those books and papers, explaining the etymology, its chronology, and more. To further avoid edit claims which identify the term Morlach, or elsewhere, with specific national identity, religion and vice versa, without understanding, or explaining in the article, the historical circumstances until late 19th century, I highly recommend you to read the work of Zef Mirdita and Ivan Mužić on Vlachs. Further reply reading [[User talk:Zoupan#Morlachs|here.]] |
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== J-pop == |
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Hi, Crovata. You seem to have a different point of view from me. I'd like to talk with you in Japanese because the key word is 「特典商法」「複数枚買い問題」 and I'm not sure how to explain it with my poor English. If you can't understand Japanese, I will try to ask other editors to come here. --[[User:Anosola|Anosola]] ([[User talk:Anosola|talk]]) 08:12, 13 February 2015 (UTC) |
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:Well, I'll try to write it simple. I'm not very interested in the [[J-pop]] article itself, or those groups, but for the objective and relevant information. The thing is, the only relevant and objective representation of popularity are record sales, not surveys. Some surveys, in the case of [[Momoiro Clover Z]] and which you point out, was done only by one source, the ''Nikkei Entertainment!'' magazine, and it actually shows the popularity in the first-half of the 2013 and 2014. Neverthless, they are not the most best-selling music act in Japan in those years, that's [[AKB48]], and there's no reason why the group Momoiro Clover Z should be featured and more highlighted because of some surveys, more than AKB48 or [[Arashi]] for example. |
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:Since the section talks about 2010s, and you reverted those edits, in 2010 the yearly record [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2010/12/oricon-yearly-album-ranking-for-2010-is-out album] ranking featured Arashi at number 1, while in the [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2010/12/oricon-announces-2010-yearly-single-ranking/ single] ranking Top 10 were featured only Arashi and AKB48 singles. In 2011, the yearly [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2011/12/oricon-announces-full-list-for-2011-yearly-album-ranking album] ranking featured AKB48 and Arashi in Top 2, while in the [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2011/12/oricon-announces-the-2011-yearly-single-ranking/ single] ranking Top 7 were featured only AKB48 and Arashi singles. In 2012, the yearly [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2012/12/oricon-reveals-their-yearly-album-ranking-for-2012 album] ranking featued [[Mr. Children]] in Top 2, while AKB48 and Arashi at 3rd and 4th place, while in the [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2012/12/oricon-reveals-their-yearly-single-ranking-for-2012 single] ranking Top 7 were featured only AKB48 and Arashi, and as well in Top 10 three [[SKE48]] singles. In 2013, the yearly [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2013/12/oricon-2013-yearly-charts-albums album] ranking featured Arashi at number 1, while in the [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2013/12/oricon-2013-yearly-charts-singles single] ranking Top 4 were featured only AKB48, and in Top 10 also [[Exile (Japanese band)|Exile]], SKE48, [[NMB48]] and Arashi singles. In 2014, the yearly [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2014/12/2014-oricon-yearly-album-ranking-top50 album] ranking featured AKB48 at number 1 and Arashi at number 3, while in the [http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2014/12/2014-oricon-yearly-single-ranking-top50 single] ranking Top 6 were featured only AKB48 singles, and Top 8 also two Arashi singles. |
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:As you can see, in neither album or single yearly ranking from 2010 to 2014 Momoiro Clover Z didn't reach the Top 10, and that points to the fact there are more notable and noteworthy music pop groups, bands and solo artists in Japan. Like in the case of [[Kyary Pamyu Pamyu]], she '''did not''' gain any internationl popularity with her single "[[Pon Pon Pon]]" (didn't even reach Top 5 on [[Japan Hot 100]] or chart on [[Oricon]]), her singles barely sell 20,000 copies, and only because Katy Perry and Ariana Grande tweeted about the "Pon Pon Pon" single, that does not make it noteworthy. There countless artists in Japan with such success, and countless more notable. |
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:According the [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]], the article information needs to be ''represented fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without [[bias]]'', because of that, will revert the article to my revision.--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata#top|talk]]) 14:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC) |
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::(Sorry for meddling in.) See "[[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle]]". (It's not a rule, but it's not polite and not recommended to revert back when you have been reverted.)<br />I completely understand your arguments, but: |
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::# You can't be neutral cause you don't have the whole statistics,. Your reasoning is just as subjective as everyone else's. |
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::# There is more to popularity than record sales. Several groups have the right to have their pictures in the article, and [[Momoiro Clover Z]] is definitely one of them. (And [[AKB48]] is too.) |
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::# Given the current state of the article (it's bad), it doesn't really matter who is mentioned and who's not. It's just random. Even if it were Kyary's fans who added a section about her, they should be thanked for it. Csuse they contributed something to the article. Cause they actually expanded the article a bit. While fans of some other groups didn't. |
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::# Kyary Pamyu Pamyu is definitely one of the most famous Japanese acts in the English-speaking countries and therefore she has every right to be mentioned. Yes, I see that the paragraph about her stands out too much in the otherwise empty section, but the way to fix it is to expand the section. (You are welcome to expand it.) --[[User:Moscow Connection|Moscow Connection]] ([[User talk:Moscow Connection|talk]]) 19:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC) |
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:: If you are a fan of Arashi, you can just add a paragraph about them. :) Something that explains how popular they and other Johnnys still are in the 2010s. And something about Momoclo and AKB48 and other groups would be welcome too. --[[User:Moscow Connection|Moscow Connection]] ([[User talk:Moscow Connection|talk]]) 19:26, 13 February 2015 (UTC) |
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:::No, I don't have any intention to edit the article, and I'm not interested in its subject, but yes on objective point of view. AKB48 and Arashi, besides many others above, were just mentioned because Momoiro Cover Z was highlighted yet it doesn't deserve more attention than many other music acts in the 2010s. The article is about J-pop in general, and there's no reason to include some un-objective and un-relevant information for an Encyclopedia, such as the sentence for the single which is known "by some Western celebrities such as Katy Perry and Ariana Grande" because they tweeted(?!) about it. I didn't read the whole article, and would certainly find more such sentences, but to keep them is just ridiculous. This is not the place for them, and the bad current state of the article is not an excuse to keep them as it does matter what, how and who is mentioned and who's not. Every article has a dignity we should respect.--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata#top|talk]]) 20:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC) |
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::::Hi, Crovata. I agree with the general fact that record sales are the only relevant and objective representation of popularity. But it is not the case in Japan because there exists 「特典商法」 (cf., http://www.cyzo.com/2014/12/post_19994.html) --[[User:Anosola|Anosola]] ([[User talk:Anosola|talk]]) 09:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC) |
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::::Hi, Moscow Connection. Thank you for your contribution. I'm planning to add the explanation of 「特典商法」 in the [[J-pop]] article. According to Oricon, over the half of Japanese people are against this kind of gimmick. (cf., http://www.oricon.co.jp/special/1467/) It would be better to add the fact that the sales of AKB48 or Arashi are under 「特典商法」. Could you come up with the simple explanation? --[[User:Anosola|Anosola]] ([[User talk:Anosola|talk]]) 09:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC) |
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== Jin talk pages and stuff == |
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Good work on all the Jin pages! It's nice to see more people creating large articles on Japanese music topics. |
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*According to the [[WP:CHART]] guidelines, Billboard charts that make up the main chart shouldn't feature. So with the Japan Hot 100, articles shouldn't list the airplay or physical sales chart (unless the song didn't make it onto the Hot 100), but the adult airplay, anime and independent charts are all good. |
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*For pages like [[Good Time (Jin Akanishi song)]] with parenthesis, the main article/discog should point there and not to the disambig page. Also on the disambig pages, it's good to list the new article, so they're easy to find! |
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*If an article already had a counterpart on the Japanese Wikipedia, you can link them on the bottom left at the languages' "add links" section (typing in JA, then for Good Time, Good Time (赤西仁の曲)) |
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Happy editing! --[[User:Prosperosity|Prosperosity]] ([[User talk:Prosperosity|talk]]) 10:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC) |
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:How I understand it is that if there's something super interesting about how the release charted on the subcharts, then it's all good to put in, but if it's not terribly notable it generally doesn't need to be in there. Like say, if a song got to #1 on the physical chart but #87 on the airplay chart, that's quite notable. Or maybe it got #1 on adult contemporary but #60 on regular airplay, or something. |
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:Oh, it's not that Hot Single Sales = Oricon singles for the reason behind why it can't be used, it's because HSS is a part of the data that makes up the Japan Hot 100 (aka JH100=hot single sales+hot airplay+digital sales), so adding all the charts that makes up the JH100 is what they want to discourage. Think about a popular single by a US artist, where the US Billboard charts make up half of the positions! That's where this all came from. --[[User:Prosperosity|Prosperosity]] ([[User talk:Prosperosity|talk]]) 00:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC) |
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== Stop butchering my comments! == |
== Stop butchering my comments! == |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ban_%28title%29&diff=650588473&oldid=650588154] I cannot discuss like that! Could you reformat your answer to a single paragraph please? --[[User:Ivan Štambuk|Ivan Štambuk]] ([[User talk:Ivan Štambuk|talk]]) 10:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC) |
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ban_%28title%29&diff=650588473&oldid=650588154] I cannot discuss like that! Could you reformat your answer to a single paragraph please? --[[User:Ivan Štambuk|Ivan Štambuk]] ([[User talk:Ivan Štambuk|talk]]) 10:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC) |
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: No, then I can not, because that it makes unreadable and a total mess. Respect other editors and the discussion, stop intentionally making it unreadable mess, intenionally ignoring what is already cited, stop personally attacking me and accusing modern academic scholars, and finally read what is cited and those reliable sources (just how many time you spent on your personal POV interference you could already read it several times).--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata#top|talk]]) 10:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC) |
: No, then I can not, because that it makes unreadable and a total mess. Respect other editors and the discussion, stop intentionally making it unreadable mess, intenionally ignoring what is already cited, stop personally attacking me and accusing modern academic scholars, and finally read what is cited and those reliable sources (just how many time you spent on your personal POV interference you could already read it several times).--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata#top|talk]]) 10:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC) |
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== テキストの除去はおやめください == |
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トークページからのテキストの除去は、Wikipediaのルール上認められておりません。--[[User:Anosola|Anosola]] ([[User talk:Anosola|talk]]) 17:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC) |
トークページからのテキストの除去は、Wikipediaのルール上認められておりません。--[[User:Anosola|Anosola]] ([[User talk:Anosola|talk]]) 17:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC) |
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I do not know Japanese language...?--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata#top|talk]]) 18:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC) |
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Welcome!
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Croats article
First let me say I do agree with you that the article needs to be reduced, especially concerning history sections which are way too broad and overwhelming. However you are reverting the article to an earlier version with outdated sources for the population census' tags which I already corrected and large numbers of references I provided. Now I am going to support this version of the article but I will revert the sources and the census data along with the version of the infobox (regarding census') and I will ask you in return that you do not delete those sources again and that you be more careful to what you are reverting in the future and pay more attention to references you are deleting. Shokatz (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- I hope that we will reach an agreement, and creatively collaborate. I am aware of the census situation, it was not intentional, because the work on the article started a long time ago. The census data should first correct and update (simultaneously correct it in communities section). In the future, everyone should help to work on language, religion, culture (add science and sport) sections. This is all for now, until the next talk (for about week or two).--Crovata (talk) 20:05, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- We don't need to reach an agreement. I agree with your edits to the article. I was thinking about trimming it myself as the history section was ridiculously huge. The only issue was the fact you were reverting the infobox refs and data with it, along with a rather large number of other citations and grammar/spelling and link corrections I've spent a lot of time on. So I had to do the same thing twice now...lol. Oh and btw. I would like to welcome you to Wikipedia. Cheers. Shokatz (talk) 21:13, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Ban article rewrite
Your edit summary did not describe the rationale for the rewrite of this article, but the changes make it apparent that you've based your rewrite on an earlier revision of the article. Thereby, you've effectively reverted to an earlier revision, but failed to account for that in the edit summary. As a consequence, a lot of referenced material from the article was removed without any explanation, unintentionally or not. You also added exceptional claims without any references such as how the term is exclusively connected with the Croats. All this in combination makes it hard to assume good faith.
In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you.
--Joy [shallot] (talk) 23:16, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- Almost a year passed from your comment, somehow there was no time to answer. Unfortunately, my edit was not based on any kind of earlier revisions, any historical or political ideology. It was written in the best intent to explain the origin and history of the title.--Crovata (talk) 14:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Dalmatian Croat (people)
Hello - I've alluded to a Croats edit of yours onTalk:Dalmatian_Croat#Provenance_of_this_redirect and thought you might like to review/refine/comment. – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 16:38, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Morlachs
My intention is not to edit-war, but yours. I certainly do not take your evaluation of me as having lack of knowledge seriously. You do not understand Wikipedia basics. I have expanded it, added sourced material, and done plenty of copyediting, and will continue to do so. You also neglect that the term Morlachs was principally used in Europe as the community in the Dalmatian hinterlands of the 17th century (thus the intro). You have been deliberately removing references suggesting greater connection to Serbs. I have tagged the refs that need better sources, including Dakić. The Croatian Encyclopedia is not a reliable source (see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources). Do not revert my additions, that is uncalled for, instead, from now on, we go through article problems on the talk page, and if not, we have to take it elsewhere.--Zoupan 01:05, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- There is no need for false accusations, there is no wrong intentions from my side, and it's up to you to see why are you not accepting my warnings for using unreliable sources for controversal or unexplained claims, and writing prone to nationalism. The actual majority of your contribution was copyediting from beforehand edited articles, and the use of sources was sparse, what doesn't matter because you had such sources. The "yours" last revision was on May 7, 607545683, with 9,741 bytes, while rewritten by me, 611797848, with new material on June 6 around 21,202 bytes, yet several times like on June 8, 612031978, you reverted it to your previous revision, removing 11,460 bytes of information, and not with sources which only partially mention Morlachs and the text highlight the connection with Serbs, but from scientific sources specifically studying Morlachs and Vlachs, with citatations found in those books and papers, explaining the etymology, its chronology, and more. To further avoid edit claims which identify the term Morlach, or elsewhere, with specific national identity, religion and vice versa, without understanding, or explaining in the article, the historical circumstances until late 19th century, I highly recommend you to read the work of Zef Mirdita and Ivan Mužić on Vlachs. Further reply reading here.
Stop butchering my comments!
[1] I cannot discuss like that! Could you reformat your answer to a single paragraph please? --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 10:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- No, then I can not, because that it makes unreadable and a total mess. Respect other editors and the discussion, stop intentionally making it unreadable mess, intenionally ignoring what is already cited, stop personally attacking me and accusing modern academic scholars, and finally read what is cited and those reliable sources (just how many time you spent on your personal POV interference you could already read it several times).--Crovata (talk) 10:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
テキストの除去はおやめください
Hello, I'm Anosola. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.--Anosola (talk) 17:22, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
トークページからのテキストの除去は、Wikipediaのルール上認められておりません。--Anosola (talk) 17:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I do not know Japanese language...?--Crovata (talk) 18:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)