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Deletion Review Request

Hi, I found the page created by me on Book Beyond A Billion Ballots has been deleted by you citing a reason as Promotion. It was purely about the book & nothing else. Let me know the objectionable part of the content. I request you to review this deletion. Thanks.

Well, there were a lot of things wrong with this article. First, its tone was promotional of both the book and its sponsor (e.g. calling it "insightful", "building a strong case", "credited for adopting innovative good governance practices" etc., all of which are statements of opinion). Second, at least the full first paragraph was copy-pasted from the publisher's blurb here [1] (which both explains why it was so promotional in tone, and signifies that it was a copyright violation). Third, nothing in the article demonstrated how and why the book was notable, so even if you were to recreate it in a cleaned-up way, you'd very likely face another deletion proposal soon enough. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with your concerns. Actually no intention to promote publisher. I wrote, as I'm reading it. I know, i rushed to publish it before citing few more sources & putting it in neutral words. Your quote, "...so even if you were to recreate it in a cleaned-up way, you'd very likely face another deletion proposal soon enough". Does that mean one should create articles about popular author's work only? Isn't there any scope for letting people know about some good books by less familial authors. Its not a fancy fiction, it talks about serious reforms need to undertake for strengthening democracy.

Re-VibhintaVerma.jpg image Problem

Hi, The vibhinta verma image has not yet published anywhere online, It is perfectly safe to use it on Wikipedia. There will be no copyright issue at all. and there will be no problem in future regarding copyright. Candicell

Steve Hodges

Hi, Steve Hodges gave permission for his official photo to be used on Wikipedia the day before the election. He lost the special election for congress so I doubt that we will have a photo of him available again. The note that he gave his permission to use the photo was in the boxes under the photo and on the talk page. without the one picture of him, the special congressional election for MO_08 at Wikipedia looks very biased for the man elected. I admit that I have trouble trolling through the wp jargon and do not understand all the image permissions, but it seems that to keep the unbiased nature of wp and because he sent written permission, the photo of Steve Hodges for Congress 2013 should be returned to Wikipedia, but by somebody with a greater understanding of wp permissions...like you perhaps. thank you!

Thessaloniki picture

Hi. I added a picture of many Thessaloniki landmarks but it was changed again. I think this high resolution picture that shows 6 Thessaloniki landmarks is much better than just the White Tower. If you see Athens, it has a picture with many landmarks than just the Acropolis for example. Here's the picture I talk about

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Thessaloniki_collage.jpg

Thank you!

Help

Could you please tell me how to not violate the copywriter policy because I am new to Wikipedia and want to add images to visually improve articles. I tried uploaded several images like Malik al-Ashtar's grave.jpg ‎but it got deleted for copywriter issues. Thanks

Help

Hi, sorry to trouble you. i made some minor edits here [2], but I don't know whats' the deal with the new formating system. Can you see if there's a remedy ? Slovenski Volk (talk) 01:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you were working with the new "Visual Editor" thing, right? Apparently it doesn't yet support editing of templates. If you want to insert templates and refs the old-fashioned style, you need to go through the "Edit Source" tab, not the "Edit" tab. (Personally, I deactivated Visual Editor immediately and have never used it yet; you can switch it off through your Preferences).

That said, I don't quite understand why you again did exactly as I advised you not to do in our last exchange: you were again pushing these things about ethnic non-homoegeneity into the lead rather than developing them in the article body, and you seem to have completely removed any reference to either "Iranian" or "Iranian-speaking" from the intro while doing so. That's unlikely to gain consensus in this form. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fair enough; we'll leave it beSlovenski Volk (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flickr pictures.

Here is the picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/waltercallens/1302909835/sizes/o/in/photostream/ --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It shows a C on the license, meaning Copyright.

Uhm, no. "All rights reserved" is the exact opposite of having a free license. Incidentally, I find it quite unlikely that the Flickr account owner is really the copyright holder here; I see no plausible assertion that he actually painted the picture.

And an "amazing picture"? Well, no, it isn't that either. It's yet another cheap modern dime-a-dozen artist's impression, of no artistic or documentary value whatsoever. Just live with it, people in pre-modern Islamic societies didn't do portraits. It was not part of their culture. We cannot possibly have any idea what any historical figure of that time period looked like. You could just as well draw some phantasy portrait of some vaguely middle-eastern-looking guy with a beard yourself, and it would be of no more and no less value in illustrating the article than this one. Heck, you could draw a single portrait and use it as a standard one-size-fits-all illustration for every article about every medieval Islamic male personality – the likelihood that your drawing (or this one) would resemble the historical Rudaki is exactly the same as the likelihood that it might resemble Ferdowsi, or Hafez, or Sultan Saladin, or the Prophet Mohammed, so why not just use it in all their articles together? Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:12, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have some sources that says that the Scythians were Iranians, may i ask why i can't post them? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

result of admin enforcement

Hi, some time ago there was a case of my user with the admin noticeboard, I do not know if you remember. I had written something on your talkpage but it is now in archive. Today the result is that I am blocked for 3 months to edit greek related topics,[3] I thought maybe you want to know the result, I am not trying to get your support to undo this, do not understand me wrong.

At least the truth came out because of this discussion in at least one topic, because you cared to check the topics and background, you found out that the columns of Hagia Sophia were not 23 meter. You did a really good job there, if you would not have noticed the error it would probably go unnoticed, not for the next 5 years but 50 years maybe for ever. DragonTiger23 (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Smatprt topic ban scope

Hi Fut. Perf, could you please clarify at Smatprt's talk page whether you meant to narrow his topic ban when you wrote he was "topic-banned from all edits regarding the Shakespeare authorship issue"? He and I disagree about whether the ban covers uncontroversial sections of pages on Shakespeare's individual plays. - Cal Engime (talk) 02:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Picture.

I found a modern Shahnameh artwork here http://pic.persian-man.ir/shahh-name/%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%B1%D9%87%20%D9%86%D8%AE%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%B1%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87%20%D9%88%20%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B8%D8%B1%D9%87%20%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85%20%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%20%D8%A8%D8%A7%20%D9%83%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%B2%D9%83%20%DA%86%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%89/

It is created by the same person who made this: http://translate.google.dk/translate?sl=fa&tl=en&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D9%25BE%25D8%25B1%25D9%2588%25D9%2586%25D8%25AF%25D9%2587:Siavash.jpg (Sent you a Google translate link so you can read what it says)

So i guess i am allowed to upload it? --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to commons:Template:PD-Iran, only if you can demonstrate that the painter died before 22 August 1980. Who is the painter? (And incidentally, again, what do you want this image for? Do you ever get your information from anything other than cheap amateur websites?) Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can clearly see that it was the same person who made these two artworks, so yes, he died before 22 August 1980. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:50, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see nothing about the painter's life dates. Where? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:52, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No exact life date, only says that he died over 50 years ago - http://translate.google.dk/translate?sl=fa&tl=en&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D9%25BE%25D8%25B1%25D9%2588%25D9%2586%25D8%25AF%25D9%2587:Siavash.jpg --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, somebody on fa-wp slapping some random template on an image (probably without reading it) is not a reliable source for a person's birth and death dates. Fa-wp is notoriously unreliable anyway. You will need to find out who the painter is, and finding independent reliable evidence for when he lived and when his work was published. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bad taste

Everyone has his own opinion about something, no need to act like a child and tell me that i have a bad taste, you are admin, act like one. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:58, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look. That painting looks like it's taken from a cheap video game designed for male teenagers with inferiority complexes. Some 16-year-olds will undoubtedly appreciate fantasy worlds filled with very virile men with very big muscles, wielding very big swords, straddling very big dragon tails right between their legs, and wearing a tiger mask in front of where their johns should be. Some people might also savour the idea of using the memory of a medieval Persian hero in that role. Fortunately, not every Wikipedia reader is a 16-year-old male with that kind of issue over their own virility. We are still an encyclopedia, not a video gaming website, so that picture goes out. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First off, i am not 16 years old if you are trying to tell that. Second, as i said before everyone has his own opinion, it may look like a video game to you, but it does not look like that to me, i have even seen it from Iranian TV channels, oh let me guess, they are 16 years old too? --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you could atleast have said that it was a copyright violation before removing it, how should i know? --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Uhm, by looking at the image page, for example, where there is a link to the deletion discussion? Or by simply recognizing that it's obviously another item by the same guy you asked me about the other day? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(Butting in) I agree with Future Perfect. That Rostam picture in particular is incredibly tacky, almost as bad as a Whitesnake album cover. It makes Rostam look like Brian Blessed in Flash Gordon. Why must we have this monstrosity when there's so much great Persian art? --Folantin (talk) 19:15, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Folantin. You might be interested (or appalled, maybe) to see that we are also in a dispute over this image and several others (see Talk:Khosrau I). Sigh. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I assume the bad taste has nothing to do with deletion because of copyright violations. Your taste doesn't play any role in when deciding to delete an image (without any warning): I assume it is only the copyright infringement why pictures are removed directly; not because they are bad. (how true that very probably is). Just 'sharing' in this discussion when I revisited this page to see an answer on a question I had asked (see below) and couldn't find it. Cheers, Tonkie (talk) 21:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, indeed, the discussion I'm having here with H.o.I. has nothing to do with my admin work on copyright issues; it's just an editorial disagreement over what images are appropriate content-wise. We are not talking about deleting anything, just about not using it in some articles. (Although H.o.I. also had some issues with other images that were copyright problems and had to be deleted.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Missed your reply - if any-

Hi FPaS, Few days ago I wrote you a question on deletion of two images I had added for my article on Dell PE VRTX. As I didn't have time before to check if you had replied via your own Talk page (as it was clearly not in my talk page) I tried to find it but your talk page is 'cleaned up' and I couldn't find the data (added on 4 July 2013 at 02:23 GMT) in an archive. Did you reach to my questions? And if so: where can I find it?

My question was: Deletion of two pictures used in article on Dell PE VRTX (as a new section on this page) PS: As you seem to clean up your talk page very fast (due to high volume I assume) please reply via my talk page if possible. Many thanks, Tonkie (talk) 21:40, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for your reply. It's clear now for me, although I'm not completely convinced of the 'obviously wrong' statement; but that is besides this discussion. For me the discussion is closed now and again thanks for the feedback. Tonkie (talk) 19:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Picture deletion question

Hello. I'm the subject of the photo "File:Samuel West at the London Film Festival screening of Hyde Park on Hudson, October 2012.jpg" which you recently deleted quoting (F7: Violates non-free use policy). I tried to follow WP instructions correctly - although they're extremely confusing - but I'm no expert at photos and have failed. I've no wish to violate copyright but I do have permission from the photographer to use the picture on WP and it is my current headshot (as you can imagine, for an actor it's important that these are kept up to date). I'd be very grateful if you could advise me how to use the photo, since many other actors on WP seem to manage it. Also, any advice or help on removing the citations box, since there are now plenty of citations? Many thanks in advance.

Hello. From what you wrote, it unfortunately didn't appear like you had a fully free license for the picture, i.e. one that allows anybody to re-use it, not just on Wikipedia but also elsewhere. Such a license is required for use on Wikipedia because of our free-content policies. As long as it's not fully free, it falls under our rule that we won't use non-free images of living people, given that a new fully free one could always be created instead. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scythians

I have some sources that says the Scythians were of Iranian origin, may i ask why i can't post them? --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For Pete's sake, it's already in the article, right in the first sentence, with three high-quality sources, and again in the "archaeology" section, with several more; what else do you want? The stuff I pruned the other day was a link to that Farroukh website. I told you why that one is unuseable. This article works with actual academic print sources, and it's being developed by people who are willing and able to go to a library and actually read and understand high-quality academic print sources. If you are not willing to do that, don't meddle. We are not going to water down the article to your favourite level of cheap amateur website junk. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let's ignore the Kaveh farrokh site, what about the others then? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which were they? Honestly, I don't remember we discussed any others. And what do you need them for? As I said, the basic claim is already well sourced. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:22, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We didn't discuss about other sources, but there were more than one source when i posted it on the Scythian article if you didn't notice when you removed it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:24, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah right, I see now. Somebody had ref-bombed that sentence with as many as 8(!) footnotes. Now, whenever I see more than three footnotes in a row, I know for certain that an article has been in the hands of POV-pushers. It is never, ever, appropriate to put in that many refs for a single, simple statement of fact. Use one, two, maximum three refs, but use high-quality ones. Among the eight that I saw there, at least four were blatantly unsuitable (Farroukh, plus two from an amateur website called "ancient.eu.com" and one from another called "history-world.org"; a fifth was from Britannica online, which is also not our first choice when higher-quality alternatives from the academic literature exist. One of these pages [4] was even a freaking Wikipedia mirror! It said so right at the top. Seriously, don't you even read the pages which you add as "sources"?) So I pruned the low-quality ones and left the best ones in. I don't think I removed anything else of significance in that edit. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:32, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well if it's like that then Wikipedia have some serious problems, because i have many times seen more than 8 sources in a row. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes, we undoubtedly have too much rotten quality editing, especially in history articles like this one. But there's still also the issue of the quality of each source. In this case it was uncommonly poor. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reuploaded file

Should File:Gemini-ganesan-phone.jpg, which was deleted following this FFD Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2012 May 30#File:Gemini-ganesan-phone.jpg, be relisted or can it be deleted by an admin immediately? Also see this log. There is no tag for files recreated such as WP:G4 for pages. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 22:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom case

Whatever Qwyrxian has said in his statement is twisted. Am I supposed to reply to statement of Qwyrxian or am I supposed to make independent statement on whole issue? What's the meaning of 'statement by'? neo (talk) 15:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 Should [[:File:Gemini-ganesan-phone.jpg]], which was deleted following this FFD [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2012 May 30#File:Gemini-ganesan-phone.jpg]], be relisted or can it be deleted by an admin immediately? Also see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File%3AGemini-ganesan-phone.jpg this log]. There is no tag for files recreated such as [[WP:G4]] for pages. Thanks [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 22:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
+== ArbCom case ==
+Whatever Qwyrxian has said in his statement is twisted. Am I supposed to reply to statement of Qwyrxian or am I supposed to make independent statement on whole issue? What's the meaning of 'statement by'? [[User:Neo.|neo]] ([[User talk:Neo.|talk]]) 15:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)