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Years ago the New Jersey police were criticized for disproportionately stopping African American drivers on the New Jersey Turnpike. The speed limit on the southern part of that road is 65mph but due to lax enforcement typical traffic flow is closer to 80mph. That discrepancy between law and custom created a situation in which the individual African American driver, though disproportionately targeted, had no defense: all drivers were guilty and African Americans as a subset of all drivers were also guilty. I see parallels when comparing the behaviors outlined in WP:TENDENTIOUS with that of editors in the Donald Trump article. I don't recall whether the problems in New Jersey were corrected but they did prompt in a Justice Department study.

I recently (though somewhat lazily) began aggregating sanction enforcement data for analysis. Whether my effort's justified or any useful patterns will emerge is to be seen but if it interests you I'd welcome the collaboration. James J. Lambden (talk) 21:20, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Just wanted to wish you a very merry Christmas and a very happy New Year. Soham321 (talk) 21:34, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!! Thanks again for all your help. Hidden Tempo (talk) 00:45, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Missing articles

I notice a conspicuous absence of the articles Tin-pot tyrant and/or Tin-pot dictator (a redirect.) Much of the relevant content would precede 1932, which is outside the scope of your topic ban if you're so inclined. James J. Lambden (talk) 22:15, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey, @James J. Lambden. Thanks for the heads up, although I find it hard to find the motivation to edit those pages, as my history is more than a little rough. Also it seems that only one area on Wikipedia (which I can't talk about without receiving an e-caning) is the primary target of the coordinated efforts to remove neutrality and insert the worldviews of the editors. I just can't use Wikipedia for that topic anymore, as it's become just so unreliable and egregiously dishonest. I really like the table you compiled on your page, though. It paints a very clear, albeit disturbing picture of the trend that these people deny exists. Hidden Tempo (talk) 03:20, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Structurally Wikipedia reminds me of Wall St in the sense that few at the top benefit disproportionately in a system contingent upon mass participation. To put the analogy concretely: if the average investor withdrew their funds financial speculation would become less lucrative. Wikipedia relies on immense, often tedious effort of IP and apolitical editors so that a small few may use it to advance an agenda. How one best corrects such a system is a difficult question but I suspect change must come from the many, not the few. James J. Lambden (talk) 03:04, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Were you replying to me?

The comment you made here, looks like it was replying to my comment. Perhaps got a little mixed up on the format there. PackMecEng (talk) 02:08, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

No, PackMecEng, I addressed BullRangifer in my comment but maybe it was confusing since it was directly after your edit. I didn't want to stomp on your edit by cramming mine in there. Was that not right? Feel free to move my reply to above yours if that's more appropriate. Hidden Tempo (talk) 02:11, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

No worries, I was just curious. I have no issue with where it is. PackMecEng (talk) 02:12, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for repeated disruptive, tendentious, and agenda-driven editing and edit-warring, despite numerous previous sanctions for similar behavior. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  MastCell ^Talk 22:39, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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• MastCell - I am baffled why you chose to block me for edit warring, when there were multiple editors reinstating the contentious material without consensus. I did violate the 3RR rule one time unintentionally, but surely an indef isn't an order? I went through the proper channels - discussing the material on the talk page, and then to the No original research noticeboard. The material you reference is a citation to an opinion piece in Politico, claiming Stephen Miller attacked "Americans" for a "deficit of nationalism," but neither claim is present in the Politico op-ed.
• In regards to the tendentious/hyper-partisan editing, please refer to MelanieN, who I have had prior productive collaboration with on pages such as James Comey and Sean Spicer. In fact, the only time a WP:BATTLEGROUND emerges is when I am personally attacked, usually by Volunteer Marek (can cite diffs if necessary). Of course I do not have clean hands - I should have stepped back and let cooler heads prevail, but to absolve all blame of that user is surely not appropriate.
• Finally, I am completely confused why my edit summary describing a Politico contributor as a "Trump hater" is somehow unforgivable, while referring to a living person as a "piece of shit," "bigot," and a "misogynist" with no diffs whatsoever is somehow acceptable. The user also suggested a ban of "Americans" from political articles. I will apologize for the "Trump hater" remark but I do not see the basis of the two standards. For these reasons, I am requesting a lifting of the indefinite block.

I have proved myself to be a collaborative editor, who made a mistake by violating 3RR a few days ago. I should have waited for my OR noticeboard posting[1] to come to some conclusion. My contribution history shows (with the exception of some heated content disputes) that I am here to improve the encyclopedia and that I strive for neutrality in every article, even taking my qualms with material to the NPOV noticeboard.[2] I have always tried to leave my own political leanings (libertarian, mostly) at the door when I log in, and have made edits that reflect positively and negatively on all sides of the political spectrum.

MastCell has stated that I have had "numerous sanctions" for previous behavior. I have been sanctioned twice: a 6-month topic ban[3] for soapboxing and stating[4] that "Chelsea Clinton [used] Foundation funds to pay for her wedding," which was sourced to two RS[5][6], one of which used the headline "Clinton aide says Foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding, WikiLeaks emails show," and once for semi-inadvertent sockpuppetry which I immediately admitted(no diffs because apparently there is no SPI archive). I was blocked for a very brief period during my AE appeal of the topic ban for describing Hillary Clinton's trustworthiness poll numbers as "feeble," which was described as a BLP violation.[7] I have not violated BLP policy since, and have not been engaging in soapboxing. I have also never received a sanction for edit warring, and if unblocked, will not pose a threat for a repeat violation of this policy. Hidden Tempo (talk) 02:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=*[[User:MastCell|MastCell]] - I am baffled why you chose to block me for edit warring, when there were multiple editors reinstating the contentious material without consensus. I did violate the 3RR rule one time unintentionally, but surely an indef isn't an order? I went through the proper channels - discussing the material on the talk page, and then to the No original research noticeboard. The material you reference is a citation to an opinion piece in Politico, claiming Stephen Miller attacked "Americans" for a "deficit of nationalism," but neither claim is present in the Politico op-ed. *In regards to the tendentious/hyper-partisan editing, please refer to [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]], who I have had prior productive collaboration with on pages such as [[James Comey]] and [[Sean Spicer]]. In fact, the only time a [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] emerges is when I am personally attacked<strike>, usually by Volunteer Marek (can cite diffs if necessary). Of course I do not have clean hands - I should have stepped back and let cooler heads prevail, but to absolve all blame of that user is surely not appropriate.</strike> *Finally, I am completely confused why my edit summary describing a Politico contributor as a "Trump hater" is somehow unforgivable, while referring to a living person as a "piece of shit," "bigot," and a "misogynist" with no diffs whatsoever is somehow acceptable. The user also suggested a ban of "Americans" from political articles. I will apologize for the "Trump hater" remark but I do not see the basis of the two standards. For these reasons, I am requesting a lifting of the indefinite block. <br> I have proved myself to be a collaborative editor, who made a mistake by violating 3RR a few days ago. I should have waited for my OR noticeboard posting[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Stephen_Miller.2FJim_Acosta_debate] to come to some conclusion. My contribution history shows (with the exception of some heated content disputes) that I am here to improve the encyclopedia and that I strive for neutrality in every article, even taking my qualms with material to the NPOV noticeboard.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_66#Who_is_to_blame_for_the_defeat_of_Hillary_Clinton_in_the_2016_election.3F] I have always tried to leave my own political leanings (libertarian, mostly) at the door when I log in, and have made edits that reflect positively and negatively on all sides of the political spectrum. <br>MastCell has stated that I have had "numerous sanctions" for previous behavior. I have been sanctioned twice: a 6-month topic ban[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=752671246] for soapboxing and stating[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hillary_Clinton&diff=prev&oldid=752604559] that "Chelsea Clinton [used] Foundation funds to pay for her wedding," which was sourced to two RS[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/06/clinton-aide-targets-chelsea-in-email-as-foundation-audit-shows-issues.html][https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046], one of which used the headline "Clinton aide says Foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding, WikiLeaks emails show," and once for semi-inadvertent sockpuppetry which I immediately admitted(no diffs because apparently there is no SPI archive). I was blocked for a very brief period during my AE appeal of the topic ban for describing Hillary Clinton's trustworthiness poll numbers as "feeble," which was described as a BLP violation.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive940#BLP_violations_at_AE] I have not violated BLP policy since, and have not been engaging in soapboxing. I have also never received a sanction for edit warring, and if unblocked, will not pose a threat for a repeat violation of this policy. [[User:Hidden Tempo|Hidden Tempo]] ([[User talk:Hidden Tempo#top|talk]]) 02:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=*[[User:MastCell|MastCell]] - I am baffled why you chose to block me for edit warring, when there were multiple editors reinstating the contentious material without consensus. I did violate the 3RR rule one time unintentionally, but surely an indef isn't an order? I went through the proper channels - discussing the material on the talk page, and then to the No original research noticeboard. The material you reference is a citation to an opinion piece in Politico, claiming Stephen Miller attacked "Americans" for a "deficit of nationalism," but neither claim is present in the Politico op-ed. *In regards to the tendentious/hyper-partisan editing, please refer to [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]], who I have had prior productive collaboration with on pages such as [[James Comey]] and [[Sean Spicer]]. In fact, the only time a [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] emerges is when I am personally attacked<strike>, usually by Volunteer Marek (can cite diffs if necessary). Of course I do not have clean hands - I should have stepped back and let cooler heads prevail, but to absolve all blame of that user is surely not appropriate.</strike> *Finally, I am completely confused why my edit summary describing a Politico contributor as a "Trump hater" is somehow unforgivable, while referring to a living person as a "piece of shit," "bigot," and a "misogynist" with no diffs whatsoever is somehow acceptable. The user also suggested a ban of "Americans" from political articles. I will apologize for the "Trump hater" remark but I do not see the basis of the two standards. For these reasons, I am requesting a lifting of the indefinite block. <br> I have proved myself to be a collaborative editor, who made a mistake by violating 3RR a few days ago. I should have waited for my OR noticeboard posting[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Stephen_Miller.2FJim_Acosta_debate] to come to some conclusion. My contribution history shows (with the exception of some heated content disputes) that I am here to improve the encyclopedia and that I strive for neutrality in every article, even taking my qualms with material to the NPOV noticeboard.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_66#Who_is_to_blame_for_the_defeat_of_Hillary_Clinton_in_the_2016_election.3F] I have always tried to leave my own political leanings (libertarian, mostly) at the door when I log in, and have made edits that reflect positively and negatively on all sides of the political spectrum. <br>MastCell has stated that I have had "numerous sanctions" for previous behavior. I have been sanctioned twice: a 6-month topic ban[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=752671246] for soapboxing and stating[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hillary_Clinton&diff=prev&oldid=752604559] that "Chelsea Clinton [used] Foundation funds to pay for her wedding," which was sourced to two RS[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/06/clinton-aide-targets-chelsea-in-email-as-foundation-audit-shows-issues.html][https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046], one of which used the headline "Clinton aide says Foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding, WikiLeaks emails show," and once for semi-inadvertent sockpuppetry which I immediately admitted(no diffs because apparently there is no SPI archive). I was blocked for a very brief period during my AE appeal of the topic ban for describing Hillary Clinton's trustworthiness poll numbers as "feeble," which was described as a BLP violation.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive940#BLP_violations_at_AE] I have not violated BLP policy since, and have not been engaging in soapboxing. I have also never received a sanction for edit warring, and if unblocked, will not pose a threat for a repeat violation of this policy. [[User:Hidden Tempo|Hidden Tempo]] ([[User talk:Hidden Tempo#top|talk]]) 02:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=*[[User:MastCell|MastCell]] - I am baffled why you chose to block me for edit warring, when there were multiple editors reinstating the contentious material without consensus. I did violate the 3RR rule one time unintentionally, but surely an indef isn't an order? I went through the proper channels - discussing the material on the talk page, and then to the No original research noticeboard. The material you reference is a citation to an opinion piece in Politico, claiming Stephen Miller attacked "Americans" for a "deficit of nationalism," but neither claim is present in the Politico op-ed. *In regards to the tendentious/hyper-partisan editing, please refer to [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]], who I have had prior productive collaboration with on pages such as [[James Comey]] and [[Sean Spicer]]. In fact, the only time a [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] emerges is when I am personally attacked<strike>, usually by Volunteer Marek (can cite diffs if necessary). Of course I do not have clean hands - I should have stepped back and let cooler heads prevail, but to absolve all blame of that user is surely not appropriate.</strike> *Finally, I am completely confused why my edit summary describing a Politico contributor as a "Trump hater" is somehow unforgivable, while referring to a living person as a "piece of shit," "bigot," and a "misogynist" with no diffs whatsoever is somehow acceptable. The user also suggested a ban of "Americans" from political articles. I will apologize for the "Trump hater" remark but I do not see the basis of the two standards. For these reasons, I am requesting a lifting of the indefinite block. <br> I have proved myself to be a collaborative editor, who made a mistake by violating 3RR a few days ago. I should have waited for my OR noticeboard posting[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Stephen_Miller.2FJim_Acosta_debate] to come to some conclusion. My contribution history shows (with the exception of some heated content disputes) that I am here to improve the encyclopedia and that I strive for neutrality in every article, even taking my qualms with material to the NPOV noticeboard.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_66#Who_is_to_blame_for_the_defeat_of_Hillary_Clinton_in_the_2016_election.3F] I have always tried to leave my own political leanings (libertarian, mostly) at the door when I log in, and have made edits that reflect positively and negatively on all sides of the political spectrum. <br>MastCell has stated that I have had "numerous sanctions" for previous behavior. I have been sanctioned twice: a 6-month topic ban[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=752671246] for soapboxing and stating[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hillary_Clinton&diff=prev&oldid=752604559] that "Chelsea Clinton [used] Foundation funds to pay for her wedding," which was sourced to two RS[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/06/clinton-aide-targets-chelsea-in-email-as-foundation-audit-shows-issues.html][https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046], one of which used the headline "Clinton aide says Foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding, WikiLeaks emails show," and once for semi-inadvertent sockpuppetry which I immediately admitted(no diffs because apparently there is no SPI archive). I was blocked for a very brief period during my AE appeal of the topic ban for describing Hillary Clinton's trustworthiness poll numbers as "feeble," which was described as a BLP violation.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive940#BLP_violations_at_AE] I have not violated BLP policy since, and have not been engaging in soapboxing. I have also never received a sanction for edit warring, and if unblocked, will not pose a threat for a repeat violation of this policy. [[User:Hidden Tempo|Hidden Tempo]] ([[User talk:Hidden Tempo#top|talk]]) 02:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}

Black_Kite - you stated that my M.O. is to insert "badly sourced/NPOV" material into articles? May I request diffs of this for an example? I strive to always make sure my additions are properly sourced so I am astounded at this accusation. I also have made recent postings at the NPOV and BLP noticeboard, as I do not reinstate contentious material without seeking consensus on the talk-page. I feel this indefinite block is highly unwarranted, and there is a lot of backstory that is being missed here. I believe at least a few administrators admitted to not even reading the entire AN/I report (not that I can blame them), but there were a lot of half-truths and falsehoods stated in that report.

• Replying only to the last point in your unblock request: you're comparing apples and oranges, which is why you perceive "two standards". You used your personal, unsupported judgement that a journalist was a "Trump hater" as a pretext to justify your edit-warring and repeated removal of properly-sourced material. It's not a matter of the language per se; it's the fact that you apparently believe that this rationale was sufficient to justify edit-warring. If you'd simply called a journalist a "Trump hater" in passing, or on a user talkpage somewhere, then I wouldn't view that as a serious, block-worthy issue. It's not the epithet you used; it's the fact that you believe that the epithet justifies edit-warring. MastCell ^Talk 23:10, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

That was my fault - I shouldn't have called the journalist a Trump-hater. The primary reason for my revert was that WikiVoice was being used to make a statement of fact from an opinion article. It is my understanding that this is not permitted, and a BLP violation. Per WP:BLP, poorly sourced or unsourced material about a living person must be removed immediately. If I had the wrong understanding of policy (which apparently I did), then I acknowledge my mistake. But the removal wasn't because of Greenfield's personal views about the president. It was because it was an opinion article, used to make a statement of fact about a living person. And please at least skim the article. The material misrepresented the contents of the source. The Politico op-ed simply did not support the content. Hidden Tempo (talk) 23:13, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I did read the POLITICO source, as part of my effort to figure out what was going on at the Wikipedia article. The source states that "to label someone a 'cosmopolitan' carries with it a clear implication that there is something less patriotic, less loyal... someone who is not a 'real American.'". Wikipedia editors paraphrased the source to say that, by using the term, Miller "attacked his American critics for a deficit of nationalism". Now, while that may not be the ideal way to paraphrase the source, it is at least consistent with the source's content and is within the spectrum of reasonable suggestions. I mean, a reasonable person would allow that accusing someone of a lack of patriotism or national loyalty—or accusing them of not being a "real American"—is in the same ballpark as attacking them for "a deficit of nationalism". Again, not the phrasing I would choose, but also not completely unsupported by the source, nor grounds for edit-warring. MastCell ^Talk 23:26, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

That is Jeff Greenfield's opinion - written in his Politico op-ed. Did you see the transcript of the press conference?[8] Miller said nothing even resembling Greenfield's allegations. There is never an excuse for edit-warring (in which two other editors were participating), but I am trying to communicate that I was removing the material because an opinion piece was used to make a statement of fact on Wikipedia, which is not permitted. Hidden Tempo (talk) 23:32, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Just a note - could I suggest a reduced punishment, just to throw it out there? Perhaps an indefinite 1-revert in 24hr restriction on all post-1932 politics articles? Hidden Tempo (talk) 23:20, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

There is no punishment. See WP:NOTPUNISHMENT. I'm concerned that your unblock statement contains misleading comments - such as that I "suggested a ban of "Americans" from political articles" - ignoring the context that it was merely in a user page talk comment, and more importantly the justification for that ban, was was that they can't spell. If it wasn't blatantly obvious that was a humorous edit comment, the very first edit I made at ANI made that clear, long before you joined the discussion. Nfitz (talk) 00:59, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Nfitz, you are the last editor I need Wikilinking me. I see you also falsely accused Donald Trump (yet another BLP violation) of suggesting that "black people" not be allowed to serve in the military.[9] You violated BLP right on the talk page of an administrator, and had no action taken against you. You called a living person a "piece of shit" multiple times, and had no action taken against you. You called him a misogynist. A bigot. No action taken. In fact, Drmies actually acknowledged your BLP violations[10], and yet still, no action was taken against you. In contrast, I was indefinitely blocked (with no warning) for removing unsourced material falsely sourced to a Politico op-ed and saying that the writer hates Trump. The other parties in the edit war repeatedly restoring the contested material without talk page consensus (TheValeyard and Volunteer Marek) received ZERO sanctions. If Jimbo could take a look at this and say, "Yep, this is pretty much how I want things to go here," then so be it. Somehow though, I think he would be appalled at these facts. Hidden Tempo (talk) 01:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

You pinged me, so I'll put in my two cents: I did indeed criticize Nfitz for their comments, and I hope they take them to heart. If they don't they're likely to get blocked--and, Nfitz, you really have no business commenting here, since that's practically gravedancing. That does not take away from what is going on here; the block, as far as I can tell, is for a pattern of article edits. It's not my block and I am not going to comment on it one way or another, but I wish you the best in appealing it. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 8 August 2017 (UTC)