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@Oath Keepers Wiki Edit

I don't understand how the editing was "Not Neutral"... There is a big difference between anti-government, ie. Anarchist etc, and anti Big Government, ie. anybody not wanting the government to overstep its constitutional boundaries. Also, the SPLC is proven to be biased in their opinion, so citing them as a "neutral source" without giving the reader a warning about their bias is "Not Neutral" and misleading. Everybody has bias... You, Me, everybody, so "Neutral" is hard to achieve. I noticed that SPLC and Antifa pages are protected from editing and the Antifa page does not list them as a terrorist organization, while the United States Government does. Is that an instance of bias in not labeling them as what they actually are... Thanks,
      Will Derringer  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.140.210 (talk) 23:02, 22 January 2018 (UTC) 

That is how the organization is described in reliable, independent sources (see the references for each statement you modified). As for your point about the SPLC, the Oath Keeper's page is not the place for discussion of it. I would suggest reviewing WP:NPOV and its sub-policies. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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Why did you delete my edits? W-editor (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I think contributing to wikipedia is a waste of my time. Boycotting! W-editor (talk) 15:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see WP:LISTPEOPLE for why I deleted your list entry. Sorry that you see Wikipedia as a waste of time, but it's worth noting that people remove and edit others contributions all the time on Wikipedia. If you're not ok with that, this probably isn't the right place for you. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:59, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Scum Fuck Flower Boy edits did have citation(?)

Hey, I've been a little preoccupied so I haven't gotten around to saying anything until now, but I think your deletion of my edit to [Boy] was unwarranted. Although I didn't provide any new citations, the one that I left in place after my addition supported what I was saying. Now, having said all this, I may have done things wrong formatting-wise, since I'm still quite new to Wikipedia, but it seemed fine to me. Doesn't matter now, I suppose, since the article has been edited to have something to the effect of what I was saying at the time, but I thought I'd mention it.

What are you on about ?

I never edited anything about Gemma O'Doherty no clue what you are on about. Maybe contact the right person thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.51.73.28 (talk) 16:16, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

You are most likely using the same IP address as a previous editor. Feel free to ignore my message if it does not apply to you. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:11, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

List of music theorists

I appreciate the work that you are doing in removing the redlinks. But that list is a work in progress. Those redlinks indicate articles that need to be created, not that nothing exists on those people. It has been difficult enough gathering those names in putting them in a single place (there is no book that comprehensively deals with the history of music theory). With that point of view, putting back all those deleted names would be very helpful. - kosboot (talk) 16:50, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

If you want to keep track of the red links and which are completed, I think a userspace draft would be the way to go. The inability to be comprehensive is one of the reasons why the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline needs to be adhered to. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

BLP violation?

[1] Al Franken asked the official photographer to take the photo then enthusiastically posed for it. It's about as close to a self-published photo as you can get for the situation. So, how could it be an "egregious BLP violation?" If someone else had taken the photo without his permission, I could see the logic, but the opposite is the situation here. CorduroyCap (talk) 19:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

LIVELOUD

The Couples for Christ has their Worship Band (as the part of their existence), which called Liveloud, who compose a worship songs for them. I'd like to ask to Redirect in a LIVELOUD section to their CFC article because it is protected. 112.198.242.222 (talk) 09:36, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Done. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

ALAN MURPHY

Hello yes you have made a Mistake as Alan and Michael were distant Cousins as everybody Knows and Michael used to write with Alan, Play Guitar Privately They taught each other many things Musically Michael was a substantial part of Alans development as Richard Alans relationship partner and others can confirm. Also Michael used to teach Alan Marshall Science/Arts they spent much private time Together and were very very close as is Also common Knowledge. Alan used to have Michael shield him from so so many Hangers on down at the Cricketers at the Oval with his Band SFX as well as Michael was the first 1 to start Location recording him there with a portable cassette deck which led to so so many others doing it and Michael used to Give the cassettes to Alan so Alan could hear his progress and Alan always returned them and still to this day Michael has the rarest 1 of all and most sought after with a vocalist singing Marvyn Gayes whats going on because of an sucide experience Michael told Alan of relating to that song. If you need to reach Michael he can be reached on BT landline 0208 4781478 Or Mobile 07770 117127. Michael is 60 years old next year an extremely well connected person with connections going back to the Group Heatwave whom he had frienships with and 'still does', and did some Guitar work for, as well as turned down flat a publishing deal from Quincy Jones through Roy Carter of Heatwave as is Common Knowledge. If you would like to talk to me you can reach me on 07717 163613. This is the reason I have made the edit to your page no offence Intended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:217:200:959F:DD19:C6FE:436F (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

That needs to be cited to a reliable source. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Soldiers of Odin

IG, Your refusal of editing of this article, in itself, is one sided opinion and limited in position. To list this group as anti-immigrant is incorrect. The organization has reported itself as it's primary concern as sharia law inclusion/adoption within the countries of immigration. To cast this group as anti-immigrant is flawed. For example, if there are individuals that have been born on domestic soil that promote the adoption of sharia law, then they would be a target of complaint with SOO. Kindly correct this dispersion to be reflective of a TRULY NEUTRAL language. This change should be reflected in the same edited content of the use of anti-immigrant. I agree that the word "patriotic" was overly simplistic, but IS reflective of the origin of their thought genesis. It would be agreeable with a word replacement with VIGILANTE GROUP. This is how the European Press represents them.

If you want to cast yourself with the titles of objective and neutral, you need to improve upon separating your own biased position when editing. Further, if they are choosing to align the group with racist groups in a ubiquitous fashion, then why not adjust this language further. Finally, if you would like to reference article of clearly slanted sources (ADL, for example, the CEO Jonathan Greenblatt was previously/currently financed/tied with far LEFT organizer,George Soros' ASPEN Institute) as justification for your position and ignore the words from the originator, it must be listed as editorial.

SOME correction to the page is appreciated and reflective of your thoughtful consideration.

Good luck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:a601:cc1:100:4558:796b:c2c0:b4d2 (talk • contribs)

I suggest you take this to the article talk page. Clearly partisans on either side are going to say that they have the neutral point of view. I can assure you that I have absolutely no interest in Finnish politics. The removal of the word "patriotic" and replacement of the word "anti-immigrant" was just a better representation of the reliable sources and followed more closely with WP:NPOV policy. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

By referencing sources that are clearly partisan, standard US media and private organizations, your actions conflict with your ideals. I'm disappointed by your personal decision. This is the exact reason why Wiki exists? Partisan media sources abound within the 'common' channel of news. Wiki was to be an oasis of neutrality... We agree to disagree. Best of Luck.

About the removal of contents in the Supreme Leader's page

I think the introduction about the Supreme Leader is too long. Also I don't like the way by which Khamenei is mentioned. An introduction, in my opinion, shall be general. (Sorry for bad english if you notice something badly written) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.49.70.13 (talk) 19:30, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Be sure to include an explanation in your edit summary. I am not sure that I agree with you, but when you are removing cited information it helps to have a clear justification for it. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Mahto Communities

Hi , please help me to remove the contents where some irrelevant castes are listed in the Mahto Communities. This is updated false as Mahto does not belong to Chamar,Dhobi or disad,beldar..All are falsely updated by the user name called Utcursch. He is misusing the admin rights. Even I tried to make him understand multiple times but he is totally against me and that is intentionally done by him I request you to please remove the castes contents from this community as you are defaming this community intentionally. This is globally published and I don't want to see any false contents under this communities. This is totally inhumanity who just do this for the sake of taking revenge and misusing the admin rights. I request Wikipedia to please remove his admin rights as he playing with communities and he does not belong to and truth authentic contents. How can he relates the link with Mahto Community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.119.234.58 (talk) 19:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

I suggest reviewing Wikipedia's policy on tendentious editing, especially the section on "righting great wrongs". IronGargoyle (talk) 22:21, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

You should not remove a page before the deletion discussion is completed. The votes were outnumbered

Why did you delete the Milan Kordestani page? You should have waited for the deletion discussion to be complete. Also the upvotes outweighed the delete votes. Moreover, it's so unproductive to just delete articles that you think are not applicable because you don't view them as notable. Milan Kordestani is notable as an equestrian and in the agriculture industry, for you to just delete the page without suggessting what's wrong ith it and how to fix it is wrong. Let's be productive and fix pages rather than just delete them out of spite.2603:3024:1827:6E00:14EF:6F5C:EAB0:A068 (talk) 19:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Because it was basically identical to the previously deleted version. AfD is not a vote, and especially not when it is deceptively edited to make it appear that there are more keep "votes" than there actually are. You are lucky not to be blocked from editing. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:24, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

The above IP user appears to have manipulated the page: they removed my comment, and then removed SPA tags and instead misleadingly applied them to the votes by good-faith editors. Please see diff. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Reported Vandalism

Good Afternoon IronGargoyle,

I noticed you had left some warnings for Mattkrazplayz on his talk page about vandalism to the Drawing page. I wanted to point out that he had made another such edit today that was reverted. I'm relatively new to active editing, so I'm not sure how to report him and thought I would ask you. Thanks,

Squatch347 (talk) 18:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mattkrazplayz

Thanks for the heads up. I've blocked the editor. In the future, you can also report instances of repeated vandalism to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Ydanis Rodríguez

I think that you should make suggestions on what to keep and what to delete instead of deleting hours of work. You are simply abusing your power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yenn2323 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I really think you ought to review Wikipedia's policies on Neutral Point of View and likely also Conflict of Interest. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

kensington

Edits seem to of a right wing nature lined to https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuK42sAlgwVEvu_tdUae8Tw .--Kitchen Knife (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

12 years of editing

Hey, IronGargoyle. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 00:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

List of genetics research organizations

Please stop removing the information found in list of genetics research organizations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pontius Aquila (talk • contribs)

No. As I noted, that information you describe is in violation of WP:LISTCOMPANY and WP:RS. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Point of inquiry

Are u even from East Cobb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronlevin12345 (talk • contribs)

Airbnb Occupied Palestinial Territories

You deleted my comment here saying that these territories are falsely named because you said it was too opinionated. How is saying that those territories are occupied any less opinionated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.179.106 (talk • contribs)

i'm sorry i messed up the tone policing article

i was honestly just trying to translate it to spanish and i'm new to wikipedia won't happen again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inaqui-ilarragorri (talk • contribs) 03:15, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

list of Goans

Hello IronGargoyle I do take interest in this

• Traitrist Francis De Tuem like late William de curtorim in their acts opposed the ruling politicians, where as Roseferns M. Boyer, C. Alvares and Jacint Vaz were pure entertainers.

• Roqui Santan 'father of Goan Democracy' organised 3 days Satyagraha to hold December 1963 first election even though Goa did not belong to India, strengthening separate identity for Goa.

104.207.219.150 (talk) 15:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have added and edited RoquiSantan was elected twice as member of the Goa Legislative Assembly from this home constituency [2] and was the recipient of prestigious 'Tambra Patra National Award' at the hands of PM Indira Gandhi for his outstanding role in Goa's freedom. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:57, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, when you hit/click the reference please scroll down to this title:- ‘Roque Santana anniversary observed ‘ [3] PANJIM, 11th Jun 2013: The 51st anniversary of the ‘Father of Goan Democracy’ late Roque Santana Fernandes who went on an indefinite hunger strike in Margao in 1962 which resulted in elections being declared for the first time in Goa in December 1963 was observed in Velim, Monday.

The late Roque Santana resorted to a fast unto death demanding that elected members and not appointed ones should represent Goa in Parliament, with the result that Gopal Handoo, adviser to then Lt Governor of Goa met him at the instance of then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru. He gave up the strike, met Nehru and it was agreed to hold elections for the first time in Goa in 1963. It is for the democratic fight that he was hailed as the `Father of Goan Democracy.’

Late Roque Santana was subsequently elected to Goa Assembly twice in 1967 and 1971 and was awarded Tambra Patra for his contribution for Goa’s freedom.

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

This is the press release by Kadamba Coterie after their sentiments were hurt in Velliapura in 2013. Velim, 11 kilometers from Margao, South Goa. Dec. 21st 2013. [4] Mr.Venkatesha A. Upadhiaya today submitted a memorandum to the President of India Mr.Pranab Mukherjee, Prime Minister Mr.Manmohan Singh and Mr. Pravin Srivastava of Archeological Survey of India ASI, demanded to immediately acquire and save the 12th century, Kadamba Jayakeshi Southern Capital Velimpura site which is also the cremation ground of the last Ruler of Hangal located

in present day Velim, South Goa a place of National Interest? from the possession of Mrs Ana Emerita, widow of a great Goan, late Roqiue Santana charging her for constructing on the scared grounds, denying access by locking the compound gates and playing regional card with the pilgrims from the neighboring villages of Karnataka who visit Velim once a year, a centuries old practice and as part of the Banavasi festival celebrations to pay their respect to the 1368AD Velimpura cremation ground of Purandarai-Deva the ruler of Hangal.

Warning the locals who were present here today not to be silent spectators to injustice done to the glorious historical past Mr. Upadhiaya a native of Belgaum lamented while reacting to regionalism that prior to his death in 2007 Roqiue Santana like his father in Portuguese colonial times always gave a warm welcome and supply of drinking water as a gesture of respect to the Kannada visitors at the site. Roqiue Santana popularly known as Father of Goa’s Democracy was the local elected representative to liberated Goa legislative Assembly. No doubt this family is Goan, like thousands of Goans they are of Deccan origin too?. Mr. Upadhiaya said.

Earlier, a man who walked up behind the secured gates calling himself the security for the Roqiue Santana family charged last years pilgrims of criminal mischief, theft and robbery as important antiques went missing following last Dec. pilgrims visit and said that the family has moved out of this country and ordered the driver of the tour bus to get going. Leading the pilgrims Mr. Upadhiaya? 82, denied? the allegation here today in Velim saying? that we are always protective of the family and do respect their privacy and recollected his family?s ancestors ties as Sarva-Karyakartas meaning chief secretary, a hereditary appointment up to the time when Governor of Madras presidency George Harris under Lord Dalhousie administration confiscated the Haliyal Timber and Construction Lime Co. goods of Roqiue Santan’s greatgrand father in Nov of 1855. Mr. Upadhiaya held that most of the pilgrims are the descendants of the? family?s Haliyal compound work force. Historians hold that Haliyal yard was basically? Goa? ruling Reigns Armoury and is today converted into Haliyal Bus Terminal. In his memorandum he urged Archeological? Survey Of India (ASI) to atleast save this Velim landmark for future generations.

According to this famous historical source held sacred by Hangal Coterie, Purandarai ruler of Hangal and family on the eve of his fall in 1347 secretly traveled over night to joined his daughter who herself took shelter in safer Jayakeshi Velimpura compound in 1345 when her husband was assassinated by Mohammedans at present day Chandor. A second wall stone Kannada inscription dated 1396 in the Velim compound marks the death and cremation of? Veenomai-Devi beauty and wife of? Suriya-Deva, slain Sovereign at Chandrapur palace, daughter of Late Purandaraideva, Kadambarasa of Hangal confirms this history. It can be infered from the Velim inscription that Goa Kadamba Suriya-Deva son of Beera, was married to the nearby royal bride who was his distance cousin. Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism

Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism this Velimpura family’s ancestors had given up worship in their temples for fear of Mohammedan trap, reinvented themselves as Haliyal timber lords where converted by Orthodox Nasranis of Malabar in early1400s.Some of the Syrian origin worship items and anointing oil alabastrons saved by Upadhiaya's great grand father and moved to Belgaum after the 1855 British confiscation of Haliyal compound is convincing evidence. Further, quoting Kannada stone inscriptions on Konkan sea pirate Timu 'enemy turned friend' recovered from present day Haliyal Bus stand tell that Timu in those crucial years provided protection for their ancestors in return for timber for his shipbuilding needs had exploited this converts fear issue and used Portuguese forces to drive Mohammedans away and enforced his Timu administration in Goa in 1510. The Portuguese? in a while overpowered Timu and colonized Goa. It is a well known historical conclusion that this Christian connection attracted early Jesuits including Francis Xavier to visit Velliapura first for refreshment before traveling inland for conversions, he added.

Prof. Nilkanth Sah Paddaam in this press release said here today that a six member delegation headed by Mr. Upadhiaya is leaving for New Delhi tomorrow to follow up with his memorandum. Dec/2013 Deccan Herald, Press Release/Nilkanth Sah Paddaam, Belgaum.

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Hello IronGargoyle I do take interest in this kindly restore to Decan.reporter (talk) 19:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I am still not entirely sure what you are asking me, and the huge volume of material that you have added to my talk page does not help. I suspect that you want to add entries to List of people from Goa. Neither article exists for the entries which are being repeatedly re-added. This violates the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for removing the repeated deletions on National Retail Systems by Special:Contributions/JennyFConnell, who is an employee at the Company. If you are able, can you help me protect the page, as it is clear they are repeatedly removing the content. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 19:23, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't think the activity is either rapid enough or long-term enough to warrant protection. Let me know if it continues. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. For reference, on the talk page Talk:National Retail Systems I outlined several accounts that seem to be intent only on removing the section in question. I'll keep an eye on it. Yours, Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 16:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello IronGargoyle

I will add a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list.

There are some common exceptions to the typical notability requirement:

• If the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list's group; and b) to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E.

I will add a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:44, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello IronGargoyle I do take interest in this kindly restore to Decan.reporter (talk) 19:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I am still not entirely sure what you are asking me, and the huge volume of material that you have added to my talk page does not help. I suspect that you want to add entries to List of people from Goa. Neither article exists for the entries which are being repeatedly re-added. This violates the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello IronGargoyle

There are some common exceptions to the typical notability requirement:

• If the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list's group; and b) to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E.

I do take interest in this kindly restore to Decan.reporter (talk) 22:02, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello IronGargoyle Kindly undo what you deleted on List of Goans please thank you they are both activists in their own right

if you want further info on them
I will give just ask. here

There are some common exceptions to the typical notability requirement:

• If the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list's group; and b) to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E.

Decan.reporter (talk) 15:27, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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you just disappeared Decan.reporter (talk) 14:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

The references you provide do not establish notability. I have nothing more to say on the matter. If you wish to conduct this discussion further, please form a consensus on the article talk page and stop messaging me here. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Pucon Tours and Activities

Hi IronGargoyle,

You removed my external link I added to Pucón because they seemed inappropriate for an encyclopedia, and I want to ask you why? The page that I added was about activities and tours that you can do in Pucon, if you use any keyword research, a lot of people are looking what to do in Pucon, so I want to ask you why is inappropiate a website where you can find this information of Pucon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vicentedoh (talk • contribs) 23:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Please see WP:ELNO, specifically criteria 5 of websites to avoid linking to: "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising." The website you linked to was primarily focused on selling activities and tours. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

You are a vandal

Could you please stop vandalising the article James Acaster. It is not constructive and it spoils it for everyone else. Cheerio! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.169.210 (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

You really ought to check out WP:NPOV before you get blocked. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Block me then, you vandaliserer you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.169.210 (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Deletion of Utah breweries list

Could I get additional explanation for why you basically deleted the List of breweries, wineries, and distilleries in Utah article? Every brewery listed has a source for its existence, plus an additional link from the Brewers Association. I would also like to strongly object to the wording of "link spam". Is a list of breweries not relevant for an article? If it is simply link spam, why have the article exist in the first place? Further, why was this article deleted, and yet the list of breweries from other states were left untouched (many of which are entirely unsourced)? Why not essentially just delete all state brewery articles if these are the qualifications you are going to use? Why was this done without any discussion or chance to rectify any issues that you may have? I put in a lot of work to make that article respectable, and intend to continue working on it. If there are any particular issues with the article you would like to have a discussion on then please let me know. Until then I have reversed your change, as I do not feel that the reason for doing it was justified or reasonable. bob rulz (talk) 07:12, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Inline, independent sources for each entry should be provided, the Brewer's Association is not reliable because it allows anyone to add an entry for their brewery. Commercial links in lists like this are prohibited per WP:ELNO. Plenty of other lists of breweries (for other states) list entries when they have been covered in things like newspaper articles and other reliable independent sources. I would suggest also reviewing WP:LISTCOMPANY and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I am willing to have a discussion about this. As far as the reliability of the Brewers' Association as a source, they are a highly respected organization, and anybody cannot simply edit their list. It must be requested and approved by the association, and the approval is validation of its existence. They are among the most respected institutions in the craft beer world, and it appears that another user (Calathan) has agreed with me on the relevance of the list and the reliability of the Brewers' Association as a source (which also seems to address WP:LISTCOMPANY). I will provide counter-points to the others you have mentioned. Regarding the commercial links, I am not sure where in there that it explicitly prohibits commercial links. In fact, doesn't it say that links to the official page of an article's subject are okay? Is that not what that is? I provided the commercial links to prove the existence of the breweries. Is an existence of a website, with listed address, contact info, and beer lists not relevant? I would be curious to know which part of WP:ELNO that it violates, as I have looked through point-by-point and I do not see an issue. If you believe that it violates #19 (websites of organizations listen in the article), wouldn't that qualify under the exception found here?

My biggest concern about this is not that you may have issues with the article, it is the fact that you essentially deleted the article with no discussion. You highlighted few specific points, and did not give any room to address those points. You used the existence of a few issues to delete all of the useful content of the article. I will gladly have a discussion about whether or not you think some things could be changed, or that some of the content is not properly sourced or may not be relevant, but your actions have come across as overbearing, and assuming that every person who edits an article is and should be intimately aware of every part of Wikipedia's guidelines. bob rulz (talk) 09:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

List of Japanese comedians

Thank you for cleaning up List of Japanese comedians. As I had noted on its talk page a while ago, it was a mess. However, as a friendly note, I do want to mention that while you were rightly trying to cut everything that did not have a page on the English Wikipedia, you did in fact cut quite a lot that did. I had to spend an hour rescuing those. You also did not write anything in your editing summary or on the talk page explaining what you were doing. I thus was about to revert all your edits as unconstructive until I figured out what was going on. Michitaro (talk) 09:33, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I did use edit summaries though. I'm sorry if you felt burdened by the re-adding of the removed list entries (about 10%) that actually had Wikipedia articles. I thought some might, but sometimes it is easier to start again with a blank canvas. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:08, 11 March 2018 (UTC)