User talk:Jeff Neuhauser

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Your sandbox draft

I made a few edits to your sandbox draft. In addition to adding an infobox and a reflist section, there are a few things you need to know:

• Avoid unsubstantiated praise. We write in a neutral tone. See the policy Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. I tagged a few words accordingly.
• Don't cite Wikipedia. Use Wikilinks instead. I have made these corrections.
• You also shouldn't cite blogs, company websites, or brochures. Please strive to cite reliable sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, which are independent of the subject. See Wikipedia:Golden rule to get a brief overview of what is expected. Company publications may be cited for verifying statements they make about themselves, but these don't count toward notability.
• Citations should go inside punctuation.
• You might want to look at MOS:HEADINGS and MOS:LAYOUT for some stylistic guidance. In particular, we don't use title case in headings or anywhere else. Sentence case is used throughout Wikipedia for headings, titles, table header rows, etc.

I hope that helps. The draft needs a lot more work before a reviewer would accept the submission. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Can't thank you enough for your help! I'm new at this. Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 21:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I think the biggest problem a reviewer would have is the references. More than half of them are to Noonan's own file repository. It would be best if there was a single page on Noonan's Wordpress site listing these files in the repository, then only one citation would be needed to this directory listing, and you wouldn't need to cite every single publication. If you have any means of making that happen, please do so. I mean, how did you find those links? There must be a place on the web from which to navigate. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Again, I thank you for much needed information. I will consolidate the file repository to one citation. 2601:14A:C382:72D0:40ED:3ACC:7211:8CC6 (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, on second thought, looking at a few of them, they all seem to be newspaper clippings. I have converted the last one (obituary) to a newspaper citation. Some of the others are useless, such as the citations for Metronome and Slants for the Modern Drummer, which links to photographs. These aren't useful references except to prove existence. I'd consolidate the citations for the publication list, but citations to actual news articles can be kept separate and converted to newspaper citations. See how I did it for the obituary. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm on it! 2601:14A:C382:72D0:40ED:3ACC:7211:8CC6 (talk) 00:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Please do all article and Talk page edits while logged in rather than some as Jeff and some as IP 2601. David notMD (talk) 11:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Almost all refs are URLs. Use the ref formats described at Help:Referencing for beginners in RefToolbar. David notMD (talk) 11:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I was unaware of a second log in at "IP 2601". How do I find it, eliminate any work there, and then delete it? Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 11:56, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: John Patrick Noonan (October 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:John Patrick Noonan and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:54, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jeff Neuhauser! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:54, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: John Patrick Noonan (March 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:John Patrick Noonan and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:John Patrick Noonan

I responded to your note at DoubleGrazing's talk page but thought I'd put a note here too. I see at least some the sources from Newspapers.com. Do you have access? I went ahead and converted the first and last citations to linked clippings I snapped so you have a couple examples. If you do not have access, I let me know and I can convert anything from Newspapers.com. As for the others, check https://news.google.com/newspapers and https://archive.org/ - see https://archive.org/search?query=%22John+P.+Noonan%22&sin=TXT. I did not look at any of the results so they might be helpful or not. Google Books is another. S0091 (talk) 19:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I converted the Newspapers.com articles but they don't look as good as the two you converted...can you "tweak" those for me? I got rid of all the WordPress citations.

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 16:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure! I also see you lost some sources by removing your blog so I will try adding those back in without linking to the blog but I am sure I will have questions for you. In addition, there's some other cleanup work. I will try to get it to in the next day or so. To keep things in one place and maintain history, I will start a discussion on the draft's talk page (Draft talk:John Patrick Noonan) for questions/discussion and ping you there once I start going through it. If you do not hear from me a couple days, leave me a reminder on my talk page (click the "talk" link next to my signature). I am prone to getting distracted. :) S0091 (talk) 17:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Roy Knapp

If you are inclined, I strongly suggest starting a draft on Roy Knapp, see this and that's just one source there's bound to be more. S0091 (talk) 19:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

You must be psychic. A Wikipedia entry for Roy Knapp is already on my drawing board!

We make a great team, don't we?! 2601:14D:4F81:60:EDAC:F368:2899:66D5 (talk) 19:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I actually suggest putting Noonan on hold and getting Knapp through first because it would help explain Noonan's importance. Coming from someone who knows nothing about the topic, when I read about Noonan's contributions Knapp's publication/school, it's somewhat meaningless (who's Knapp and why is that important?). Knapp is an easy shoe-in for an article, I think. S0091 (talk) 19:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Great idea. I'm on it! 2601:14D:4F81:60:EDAC:F368:2899:66D5 (talk) 20:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Question: I found an entry for Roy Knapp at de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Knapp.

What is this, and should I start here, or link it to the one I'm working on now...?? Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

That's the German language Wikipedia. There's actually over 300 different languages with English being the first and by far the largest one (i.e. de=German, fr=French, es=Spanish, etc.). Each one is it's own project with it's own policies and guidelines. They can be helpful for finding sources but the article only has two, one to PAS and one is a dead link. No need to link to German article since you are creating an English one. You can use WP:Interlanguage links within an article for to link to articles that exist in another language but not here, like Roy Knapp or like Roy C. Knapp.

On a different note, I suggest using Visual Editor rather than Source because VE makes editing and adding sources generally much easier. When in edit mode, click the pencil icon on the top right to switch. See WP:INTREFVE for instructions on adding sources with VE. You can switch between VE and Source while editing which I do on occasion because there are some think you have to do using Source mode or sometimes it's easier but most of my editing is with VE. S0091 (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I added some sources you can use expand it. I am also thinking a section titled 'Notable students' with a list is warranted. S0091 (talk) 15:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha! Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 19:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I found an article dated Sun. Nov. 12, 1978, page 219, by Don DeMichael about Roy Knapp in newspapers.com entitled "Percussion's dean steps to a lively beat". Can you use your magic to cite this properly in the Wiki entry somewhere? Also, can you please help me cite the reference to Roy's "Fundamentals..." article in the Philip Stanger Collection at the U. of Chicago Library?

Thanks. Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 20:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

For the Newspapers.com article, do the following:

• Make a Newpaper.com clipping by selecting "Clip" on the top right and select the article
• For the Clip Title in the right panel, use the exact heading of the article, in this case Percussion's dean steps to a lively beat
• Once you have saved the clipping, click on the title in the right panel which will provide a URL for the clipping
• Copy the URL which should be something like https://www.newspapers.com/article/WHATEVERTITLE/SOMENUMBER (ex. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-pantagraph-symphony-buffs-laud-drumm/145715814/)
• In the draft, using the Visual Editor citation tool (as I said above switch to VE using the pencil icon on the right, on the left-ish side click the double quote icon next to the link icon which will bring up the cite tool), copy that URL into the Automatic cite method (the default) and it will automatically generate the citation for you. Then click Insert and Publish.

For the other one, if you have an URL you can just paste it into VE citation tool and it will likely generate the citation for you. Try it. If it doesn't, I will need more info. S0091 (talk) 21:23, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm on it. And thanks, again! Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 22:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jeff, I moved your comment from the Noonan draft to Knapp (Draft talk:Roy C. Knapp). See my response there. S0091 (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)