User talk:Ravenswing

If you post to my talk page, I will reply exclusively here. If I posted recently to your talk page, I will read responses exclusively there.

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I am disinterested in rants; if you want to blow off steam, go join a gym.

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Beyond that, I keep my AfD work over on AfD. Don't write me here to dispute my posts or lobby to change my vote. Anything on your mind should be said in the pertinent discussion, so everyone can be privy to the debate.

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Don't get too worked up...

That is part of what he wants...he clearly goes looking for reactions. He is just pissed because we are closing off a loop hole that allowed him to say that Joe Smith who won academic player of the week in Junior D hockey is notable. -DJSasso (talk) 12:52, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

• Swear to God, he's got an ear of solid tin. It's not that I always disagree with him - we see eye-to-eye on the diacritics issue - but someone who is constitutionally unable to (a) understand what a consensus is; and (b) respect it when you're on the wrong side of it is a liability to the encyclopedia and doesn't belong here. I ought not be looking forward to going back after all those AfDs that closed on major awards as much as I am, but eh.  ῲ Ravenswing ῴ  15:39, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

• I did wonder if people would just let those afds lie or if they would go after them. -DJSasso (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

"Answer Book" ELs on MA towns

I have reverted a few of these that you put back, but I noticed there were a lot more than I thought, so I'll discuss it first with you before continuing on.

The EL added is not to the main newspaper in the area in any of those instances. The Enterprise is a local paper, not a regional. The link was added initially by User:PatriotLedger, which is another site the links are hosted on, and the name of a paper (in fact the one that competes with the Enterprise, but is owned by the same company). The Patriot Ledger is the local big paper, and the Enterprise is the local rag, as is the "wickedlocal" domain.

There is a definite COI there, and IIRC, the Patriotledger user was blocked. After those were removed, User:Jm1106, a new user, came right back and put them in again, getting those links right on the first shot. I do not believe that a new user would know to go there, and also to get linking right the first time. So, AFAICT, that's material put in by a sock.

Additionally, (and this is from info digging), said user made the initial edits running alphabetically through towns within county of coverage for the paper, which means he or she was working off a list and was adding these links with intent to generate hits to the newspaper for which he or she worked. That's where the revenue is in media now, not in print. Moreover, I don't believe we put in the media outlets for towns in the articles in EL in the first place.

Therefore, those links are not appropriate content for what I see to be the several reasons enumerated above. Now, I don't use tools, so I'd prefer not to have to go through by hand and take them all out again, but I am willing to listen to your reasons for keeping the information. MSJapan (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

• Well, first off, you have a great many inferences there, not facts. Your assumption that Jm1106 is a sock doesn't make it so, nor does your opinion constitute prima facie proof of "material put in by a sock." It's not only not completely unreasonable that a new user might choose to review the documentation before performing edits, I rather wish they all would. One would also think that it was not a violation under Wikipedia policies to not screw up one's first edits.

  For a second, User:PatriotLedger added links to just one article, not to many; claiming multiple spamming from that account is just plain sloppy.

  For a third, the Enterprise has regional circulation; I've seen boxes for the same all the way down to Plymouth. You don't need to educate me on these papers and their impact. I have lived on the South Shore and in Quincy most of my life, often read the Ledger, and am well aware of the sites they run and the company that owns them.

  For a fourth, there is nothing illicit about working from a list, and nothing wrong with that list being alphabetical. I do so myself, and indeed have used AWB to execute hundreds of edits in one rush, all in a row.

  For a fifth, you should have looked over Jm1106's talk page - she identifies herself as female there, so there's no "he or she" involved - where you'll see protests from more than one editor that the blocking admin was out of line in a badly overzealous blocking, an action that another admin quickly overturned. That second admin gave Jm1106 the benefit of the doubt, something WP:BITE enjoins us to do.

  Finally, Jm1106 is not responsible for putting those links back in. I am. I believe them to be valid, informational links which summarize useful information for the towns in question. In the discussions about these links, several other editors felt likewise and that the links were acceptable under WP:EL. With over 30,000 edits to my tally, I believe that takes the notion of these links being supported by a spammer SPA out of question.  ῲ Ravenswing ῴ  21:08, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

  • N.B.: there's an open discussion here: Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard#Quincy, Massachsetts, Patriot Ledger Answer Book. Herostratus (talk) 04:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

afd/frank scaglione

"to the left of farcical"? that's funny: i would have said "to the right of farcical." i suppose it's all the same in the end. thanks for handing over the references! (this is meant to fall under the "...just dropping in a cheerful note" clause, in case it's not clear) — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 03:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Steven Michael Woods, Jr.

Hello there. Which referenced did you consider poorly sourced in the Steven Michael Woods, Jr. article? References included a summary from the Texas Attorney General, local newspapers and when referring to the subject's personal views, cited his personal website where those views can be found. And, if not all were what you consider poorly cited, why were all removed?

Gratitude,

Peacer8181 (talk) 02:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Anthony Stewart (ice hockey)/GA1

Hello, I have made changes to the article based on your initial review. The lead has been reworked which contained most of the "sportswriterese" writing as I tried to summarize the various sections on the page. I often have problems writing a good lead. The quotes have been removes. I was wondering if there is anything else in the article that you came across that needs to be changed. Thanks,--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 19:49, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, I do. Just for openers, I'm seeing a number of grammatical and typographical errors. Take this paragraph for an example:

Stewart played minor hockey for the North York Canadians. He played so well that the cost of his hockey was subsidized personally by the head of the organization. With Stewart on the team the Canadians won three All-Ontario championships After finishing his minor hockey career Stewart was selected in the first round of the Ontario Hockey League (OHL) draft by the Kingston Frontenacs. In his fist season in the OHL Stewart scored 19 goals and 43 points. In the 2002–03 season Stewart increased his production, recording 38 goals and 70 points and added seven more points in five playoff games. In the off season Stewart became captain of the Frontenacs and was drafted in the first round of the NHL draft. Going into the 2003 NHL Entry Draft Stewart was rated as the 19 best prospect for North American skaters. With their second first round draft pick, the 25th overall, the Florida Panthers selected Stewart. The following season Stewart's productions dripped to 58 points but, he scored a career high 35 goals, as the Frontenacs missed the playoffs. Stewart attended the Panthers training camp prior to the start of the 2004–05 OHL season. He had an impressive camp but was sent back to juniors to help his growth as a player. In his last OHL season Stewart led Kingston in scoring with 67 points. The Frontenacs missed the playoffs for the second straight year, as such Stewart played made his professional debut, playing 10 games for the American Hockey League's (AHL) San Antonio Rampage. He scored a goal and two assists during his 10 game stint.

• Third sentence: Comma after team. Sentence missing a period.
• Fourth sentence: Comma after career.
• Fifth sentence: "First" season. Comma after OHL.
• Sixth sentence: Comma after season. "Adding," not "added."
• Seventh sentence: "Off-season" "Was named captain" is preferable phrasing, although that's optional.
• Eighth sentence: Comma after draft. "19th" best prospect, not "19."
• Tenth sentence: "Production," not "productions." Comma before "but," not after. I'd also phrase the sentence "While the Frontenacs missed the playoffs the following season, Stewart scored a career-high 35 goals." - the way it's phrased, it implies that his scoring 35 goals materially led to the team missing the playoffs.
• Fourteenth sentence: "As such Stewart played" ...? Horribly awkward and ungrammatical. Perhaps it should read "After the Frontenacs failed to make the playoffs for the second straight year, Stewart made his professional debut ..."

That would be too many errors to support an article for GA were they all the errors the article had, let alone those in a single paragraph. Ravenswing 11:46, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

My Message Puckhead1

I would like to but I can't expand on the Trenton ECHL franchise's (Trenton Titans) article and it really needs to be expanded. I don't understand why the Las Vegas Wranglers article has more information than the ECHL teams founded before them. I even tried to revert the Titans article back to the 15:02, September 2, 2011 version but I can't. Puckhead1 (talk) 01:58, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

• You do not have to insult other editors to discuss a content dispute, and Wikipedia policies require that you don't. Ravenswing 02:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Fine then Puckhead1 (talk) 02:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Peacer8181 and Steven Michael Woods

hey, i'm not really sure what to do about what peacer8181 is doing at Steven Michael Woods. i wonder if you could look at the diffs and the talk page, and maybe advise me on what step i might take next? I'm sorry if you're not the right person to ask, but i'm at a loss, being a little new at wp, and you already read up on the other episode. this and this and this and this, as well as the talk page of the article. i'm not asking you to solve it, but just maybe to recommend where to report it if it's reportable? thanks! — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

• I agree that Peacer's first wave of contributions boiled down to "Hang the muthaf***** high!", but the current revision looks reasonably balanced. If it holds ... fair enough. Ravenswing 16:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

ok, thanks for your input. — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 16:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Oath of Allegiance

You quoted me with it. First of all, that's an archaic american document from 230 years ago. Second of all, it applies only to the US and its citizens. So what if it reads "....that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty"? US is not the whole world. As far as I am aware of, US accepts dual citizenship, which kind of contradicts the Oath of Allegiance. Also, it refers to the nationality (which as it has been said several times already), not ethnicity. PS. Apu from the Simpsons is still an Indian immigrant to the US, not an American. (sorry, had t make it funny....lol) Norum 02:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

• Well, yes, when we're discussing how American law and custom applies to immigrants to America, it's quite appropriate to discuss - wait for it - American law, and quite inappropriate to discuss the laws of anywhere else in the world. Canadians have a similar allegiance oath for those becoming Canadian citizens, which is likewise governed by Canadian law. (And "as far as I am aware of?" From where did you get that information? It happens to be wrong - the United States does not, in fact, recognize dual citizenship, and never has.)

  Beyond that, however much you kept attempting to wrench the discussion to countries, jurisdictions and laws having nothing to do with North America, the application of North American law, custom and practice was the topic of the conversation. As far as ethnicity goes, the only one who keeps insisting on mentioning it is you; the rest of us were talking, as we had from the start, about nationality.

  In any event, it's a settled matter, consensus (and the MOS) being unanimously against your POV. Now while paying attention to what other people write doesn't seem to be strong with you, at the top of this page, in big bright letters, are the words "I am disinterested in rants; if you want to blow off steam, go join a gym." That really does apply here, to you as well as to anyone else, and in coming here to talk yet more on a settled matter concerning which your eloquence has so far left us unmoved, you're just confirming the words of a couple editors who advised that you were just plain insistent on having the last word. Were I on your talk page, of course you'd have that privilege. Here, I do, and I see no reason for any response from you on this matter. Ravenswing 04:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Sept 2011

Listen up, I deleted what you left on MY PAGE. So leave me alone finally, will you? If you gonna keep leaving me more messages even after I told you not to, I will report you. PS. Not to mention that you delete posts that proved me right, but are inconvenient to you....kinda suspicious if you ask me. Anyways, this case is closed now. Do not reply. Norum 17:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

He never edited your page after you removed what he put there. If anything it looks like you are harassing him by posting here when the matter is done. Just walk away. -DJSasso (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh he did remove some stuff. He quoted me with an archaic american document oath of allegiance and then was trying to convince me that the US doesn't accept dual citizenship. I went and checked the US Immigration website and it clearly states there that US accepts (just doesn't recommend) dual citizenship. That proved him to be wrong and because it was inconvenient for him, he simply deleted my post where I proved him wrong. That's abusing adm powers and will be reported. Norum 17:38, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

He doesn't have admin powers since he isn't an admin. He did no such thing. -DJSasso (talk) 17:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, so not an adm, fine. Still, he deleted the information that was inconvenient to him. Norum 17:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Editors are allowed to remove posts on their talk pages. And if the case is closed, then leave it be and move on. The only thing you are showing me right now is that you find it important to get the last word in on everything. If you actually wish to disengage, then do so. Resolute 18:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, first off, pal, quite aside from your ongoing distortions, misinformation and outright lies, yes, you indeed get to delete the warnings I posted to your page. A warning is a notification, and you deleting it is considered evidence that you read it; among several other things so far, I'm quite surprised you've been on Wikipedia so long without knowing that. (And that being said, where do you get off stating that it's okay for you to remove posts from your talk page - which it is - but claiming that it's "abuse" for others to do so on theirs?)

Secondly, feel free to take this to ANI. It would be amusing, since you've already made a huge lie in your edit summary on this diff [1], where you claim as of 12:05 that you warned me to stop posting to your talk page. Your first such request was 45 minutes after that, and the admins at ANI do not treat very kindly people who complain to them and lie to do it.

Finally, you have been warned twice now to cease to post here, and I'm wondering what about that is so difficult for you to understand. There will be no further warnings. Ravenswing 19:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caiyad Phahad

Would you comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caiyad Phahad regarding the GFDL-violating, WP:FAKEARTICLE-violating copy-and-paste of the article to User:Phoenix B 1of3/Caiyad Phahad? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 03:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)