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<big>{{center|'''I lose track of those pingie-thingies'''; because I don't get along with them, I have converted all notifications to email only. A post here on my talk page is the best way to get my attention. Please provide a link to the article you want me to look at.{{pb}}{{pb}}'''iPad typing:''' I am unable to sit at a real computer with a keyboard for extended periods of time because of a back injury. When I am typing from my iPad, my posts are brief and full of typos. Please be patient; I will come back later to correct the typos :) I'm all thumbs, and sometimes the blooming iPad just won't let me backspace to correct a typo.}}</big><br />
<big>{{center|'''I lose track of those pingie-thingies'''; because I don't get along with them, I have converted all notifications to email only. A post here on my talk page is the best way to get my attention. Please provide a link to the article you want me to look at.{{pb}}{{pb}}'''iPad typing:''' I am unable to sit at a real computer with a keyboard for extended periods of time because of a back injury. When I am typing from my iPad, my posts are brief and full of typos. Please be patient; I will come back later to correct the typos :) I'm all thumbs, and sometimes the blooming iPad just won't let me backspace to correct a typo.}}</big><br />

==Rowling==
Hi Sandy. I've sent the full text of Whited to you. It seemed better to download the entire book instead of separate chapters. I've been distracted and haven't had much time to read closely except for a cursory skim. It's interesting but I'm not seeing a nicely written timeline of her Twitter/X feed - which isn't a surprise from a scholarly work.{{pb}}
Re the Wikipedia Library. Access seems to be dependent of activity. Try the following:
#Go to the [https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q= Wikipedia Library portal]
#Sign in to access the "My collections" page
#Scroll through the "My collections" page to find Project Muse
##If it's not there, then you need to submit an application. I don't see the application button so can't help there
#Click "Access collection" >> brings you to ProjectMuse search page
That's all. In the meantime, good luck with hand surgery recovery and don't worry about things here. Take care. [[User:Victoriaearle|Victoria]] ([[User talk:Victoriaearle|tk]]) 23:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|Victoriaearle}} ... Thanks times two (got in to TWL and got the email). The hand is doing great, the doc says it's highly unlikely to be melanoma, healing well ... now if I could just figure out how to wash my hair for the next ten days 'til stitches come out! [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 01:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

::That's all good news. I see that Whited is getting some discussion over at JKR, so that's good too. [[User:Victoriaearle|Victoria]] ([[User talk:Victoriaearle|tk]]) 13:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Yep. But I cannot take the lead this time ([[WP:TIRED|don't have the energy and unsure I want to be back in here yet]]), and while some are filling the talk page with complaints, no one there is actually doing the work necessary to rewrite, while several of those opining don't demonstrate research, sourcing or prose skills at the FA level, so unless something gives, we may be headed back to FAR. Thanks again for the source and well wishes. Bst, [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 14:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
::::I think a bit premature to expect FAR. The Wikipedia Library is a good resource, but I hadn't looked there because I've not been very active. While I have access I'd like to do a search on Ebscohost too and see what pops there. In the meantime I'll post these access instructions to the Rowling talk page so others can use those sources instead of searching google - which is always slanted towards a person's interests. [[User:Victoriaearle|Victoria]] ([[User talk:Victoriaearle|tk]]) 14:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Victoriaearle}} I found a bit of sloppy scholarship in Whited. Looking for the background on her status as a billionaire, Whited cites [https://wealthygorilla.com/richest-authors-world/ this marginal article], which in turn cites [https://wealthygorilla.com/j-k-rowling-net-worth/ this piece]-- neither impressive in their scholarship (or writing). [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 12:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::Also, perhaps I'm accustomed to viewing scholarship through a [[WP:MEDRS]] lens, but the Rebecca Sutherland Borah chapter does not impress me. Relative to half a billion copies of books in print,
:::::* "Because Harry Potter fandom is too large for exhaustive analysis, in this study I focused primarily on fans with online connections, using an online survey and observing and interacting with fans through websites, primarily social media platforms." (Biased sample)
:::::* "Almost all the 1,217 people who responded (99 percent) were college age and older, with 64.7 percent in the millennial category (ages 29–43)." (sample size)
:::::* "My survey was posted for a two-month period starting in mid-November 2019, so it was partially contemporaneous with the fallout." (Representative?)
:::::is a pretty weak/biased sample. Our text may need to indicate that Borah's work is based on a limited subset of the entire fandom. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 12:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
::::::So, yesterday I started working my way through the "Introduction". I noticed that Whited's numbers for HP book sales differed from ours (but I didn't dig into the footnotes). I also noted the discrepency re wealth. But, the "Introduction" does give a good timeline of the transgender tweets from 2019 to 2022 or 2023 that I think we can use. I've started taking notes in [[User:Victoriaearle/Rowling]] but didn't get very far. I also think we can use the material regarding the huge fan base, possibly the fan fiction aspect (which seemingly has caused lots of tension in terms of intellectual property/copyright), which I posted about [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:J._K._Rowling&diff=prev&oldid=1218138423 here] on the talk page. But, yeah, I noted the parameters for the study and had to shake my head. Literary scholars do weird studies, is all I can say. I thought that in grad school and it still seems to be a thing. But the background material in that chapter I think is usable. I have to be out today (migraine flare, so limited screen time) but will try to get back to taking notes tonight. I hope we can get enough from that source for some kind of a rewrite of the transgender section and then the lead. Also, there's updated info on her other projects I believe we can use. [[User:Victoriaearle|Victoria]] ([[User talk:Victoriaearle|tk]]) 14:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Agree much of it is quite usable, but we have to be aware of problems like those I raise. I won't be able to look in any great detail until I've finished evidence for the arb case (and with slow typing due to stitches), and after that, I may just finally semi-retire, as I am so tired of dealing with POV and vandalism everywhere one turns. If I look at my watchlist from the months I took off, there are scores of articles I need to fix, and I just don't have the energy for it anymore; losing two close friends changed my whole world. So, I can't be counted on to work up the draft on Rowling, and I remain concerned that the main authors aren't stepping in either. Bst, [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 14:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Fortunately, not all parts of the wiki have been overrun with POV and vandalism; most volcanoes are going along merrily. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 15:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: {{tps}} (please point me to the proper discussion if this is the wrong place but I'm not seeing any discussion on this on the Rowling talk page) I wouldn't even use that Borah study at all. At least from my understanding of college stats classes and ''[[How to Lie with Statistics]]'', that is really dreadfully bad sampling practices to draw a broad conclusion with, and "this is what a few people who responded to an internet survey think" isn't really useful for even a narrow conclusion for the question at hand. [[User:Hog Farm|Hog Farm]] <sub> ''[[User talk:Hog Farm|Talk]]''</sub> 15:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::HF, I haven't added it there yet ... my typing is limited and I have to focus on arb evidence and I have no sense (yet) that any serious work is underway at Rowling, although I trust that Victoria will sort which, if any, pieces of the Whited work are usable ... I'd agree on avoiding any conclusions based on very narrow survey of a relatively small sample, which could misrepresent views of broader population. (Jo-Jo, I envy editors who work in areas where articles aren't bombarded by inferior edits-- I have never been so lucky!!!) [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 15:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::::PS, we also have translations to 84 languages, while Whited has 80 ... so we are more current even though Whited is recent. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 14:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Yep, I noticed that too, so I just ignored all those numbers. [[User:Victoriaearle|Victoria]] ([[User talk:Victoriaearle|tk]]) 15:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


== A cup of coffee for you! ==
== A cup of coffee for you! ==

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I lose track of those pingie-thingies; because I don't get along with them, I have converted all notifications to email only. A post here on my talk page is the best way to get my attention. Please provide a link to the article you want me to look at.
iPad typing: I am unable to sit at a real computer with a keyboard for extended periods of time because of a back injury. When I am typing from my iPad, my posts are brief and full of typos. Please be patient; I will come back later to correct the typos :) I'm all thumbs, and sometimes the blooming iPad just won't let me backspace to correct a typo.


A cup of coffee for you!

Here is a cup of coffee for you, Sandy, with my best wishes :-) --Dustfreeworld (talk) 14:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dustfreeworld, I want to thank you for the continued encouragement and kind words and for noticing all I've been going through of late, and apologize for appearing to ignore posts here. Not only have I been very short on time because of real life commitments and the arbcase; I have been undecided about whether to stick around, and so have stalled on getting caught up with everyone. I realize that you are hoping I will return to medical editing, but as I've examined the evidence in the arb case over the last month, I have seen enough of the most repugnant human behavior in here that I am thankful I did not expose myself to it while I was grieving, and even more doubtful that I will ever again be as active here as I once was. Thank you for the kindness, and sorry to disappoint. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SandyGeorgia, there’s nothing to apologize for. I always appear to ignore posts here and there ;-) I’m not just hoping that you will return to medical editing, I’m hoping that you will return to *whatever* editing. Yep, we may have the most repugnant human behavior in here, that’s why we need editors from the other extreme (e.g., you) to balance that out.
You know, I can’t help thinking (and have been longing to tell you) that, I have been inadvertently doing something like “free play” (what children naturally do when adults aren't telling them what to do?) in the past few months while you’re not around (at WP:MED). IMO you have a gift for getting people together; and people like that you are someone who will listen. On the other hand, I probably have a gift for … pissing people off (?!) … (yep, almost *everyone* I think, no matter they like / dislike me ;-) In short, I don’t think you have the right to be undecided about / have stalled on / doubtful that ... You just can’t. Wikipedia needs people like you. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 14:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC); 15:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are funny! I can't do it anymore; it's nauseating in here. It's not just words on a screen; it's real people's safety and livelihood and families being jeopardized by ideological zealots. Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that I haven’t followed the Venezuelan case closely; I’m not sure I understand you correctly; and I haven’t expressed myself very well. Do you mean “it's real people's safety and livelihood and families being jeopardized by ideological zealots” through their editing at Wikipedia? If so, shouldn’t we be doing something to stop or prevent that (through better editing) instead of stepping away? Aside, there are a lot of things that one can edit besides Venezuela or medical content.. PS of course I respect whatever you choose to or not to do. Bst, --Dustfreeworld (talk) 15:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
a) "We" are doing something (there's an arbcase). b) Torture in Venezuela, Human rights in Venezuela, Corruption in Venezuela, Crisis in Venezuela; if anyone thinks editing Wikipedia will change a single thing, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Sandy, thanks for the headsup but it's a response to Noonicarus, under "Comments by others". So I think it is the right place? Or have I got this mixed up. Boynamedsue (talk) 14:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; arb pages intentionally keep those sections segregated and unthreaded ... the parties, the arbs, and all the rest of us ... I'm not sure why, and it's awkward, but that's how they work! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah got it now, I was thinking you were talking about my most recent post. I've fixed it now, thanks for the warning. All the best.Boynamedsue (talk) 14:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Boynamedsue, it wasn't a warning :) It was just information that I hoped was helpful. [1] Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant "warning" in a helpful way, because I don't really know how Arbitration works. I thought maybe if you post something in the wrong place there you are forced to find sources for opinions stated in football-player articles or something? Anyway, have a good Sunday :).Boynamedsue (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it ... just didn't want you to have the wrong impression! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are a Ray of Sunshine!

You are a Ray of Sunshine!
You are a Ray of Sunshine!

SandyGeorgia I am so sorry for your troubles. It's not fair that one person has to face so many challenges. Completely lost track of you for a while. It meant a great deal to get a message from you today. You brightened my day, week, month. Hope you'll stay with us. Let me know if I can help you anyhow. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024: slowing down

@Wugapodes, Dustfreeworld, Geometry guy, WhatamIdoing, Jo-Jo Eumerus, Ssilvers, SVcode, S Marshall, Clovermoss, Buster7, Realmaxxver, Doug Weller, SchroCat, Johnbod, Sdkb, Spicy, Shearonink, NoonIcarus, Ealdgyth, David Fuchs, Amakuru, Hog Farm, AirshipJungleman29, Eddie891, Aza24, SusanLesch, Panini!, Firefangledfeathers, ARoseWolf, Mike Christie, Scientelensia, CommonKnowledgeCreator, Wtfiv, and Ajpolino:

It is my custom to personally respond to every barnstar, all greetings of the season, and other talk page messages, but I have failed to do that this year, and the section pending from you on my talk page means I had every good intention of responding more fully, but never got to it.

I want to acknolwedge and thank each of you for the kind words, barnstars and seasons greetings, and apologize to those whose messages I have failed to answer.

My will to participate in Wikipedia has waned, and although I won't be fully retiring and will continue to sporadically check my watchlist, I can't be counted on to do the work I've always done or respond to messages promptly. With apologies for not individually responding to all of you, I'll be archiving my talk now, and wish you all a prosperous, peaceful and safe 2024. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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