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Thank you for messaging me. While your concerns and points are legitimate, a move like that will require consensus. If it were another page or stub topic that can fit in another article, that would be different. As for my "command" I am sorry that you misinterpreted it as one. It was a request to leave it till the article fills up or unless there was a consensus with reasoning behind it to redirect. Please be familiar with the consensus policy (as faulty as I agree it is, it is precise in this case) before making moves on differing topics. Thank you and goodnight.--[[User:NadirAli|NadirAli نادر علی]] ([[User talk:NadirAli|talk]]) 04:09, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for messaging me. While your concerns and points are legitimate, a move like that will require consensus. If it were another page or stub topic that can fit in another article, that would be different. As for my "command" I am sorry that you misinterpreted it as one. It was a request to leave it till the article fills up or unless there was a consensus with reasoning behind it to redirect. Please be familiar with the consensus policy (as faulty as I agree it is, it is precise in this case) before making moves on differing topics. Thank you and goodnight.--[[User:NadirAli|NadirAli نادر علی]] ([[User talk:NadirAli|talk]]) 04:09, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
:{{ping|NadirAli}} I find it somewhat condescending that you've told me to "please be familiar with the consensus policy". I am well aware of consensus and when I must seek it. As I stated in my edit summary when I redirected the article, I was making a [[WP:BOLD]] edit because the article existed in its empty state for nearly half a year. I thought it an uncontroversial edit, and I thought it unnecessary to seek consensus for something that seemed obvious (i.e., redirect an article that has had no content for five months and there appears to be no interest in creating content for it until content is created). While I'm not at all upset that the edit itself was reverted (that happens, it's part of editing), I am somewhat sensitive about perceived condescension and antagonism, even if unintentional. (It's a character flaw. I have difficulty oftentimes reading tone in plain text.) At any rate, I am still largely unconvinced that it was inappropriate to redirect the article to the main series article, but, as I said on your talk page, I'm not interested in contesting it. ~Cheers, [[User:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Ten</span>]][[User talk:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:MediumSeaGreen;">Ton</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TenTonParasol|<span style="color:LightGreen;">Parasol</span>]] 04:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
:{{ping|NadirAli}} I find it somewhat condescending that you've told me to "please be familiar with the consensus policy". I am well aware of consensus and when I must seek it. As I stated in my edit summary when I redirected the article, I was making a [[WP:BOLD]] edit because the article existed in its empty state for nearly half a year. I thought it an uncontroversial edit, and I thought it unnecessary to seek consensus for something that seemed obvious (i.e., redirect an article that has had no content for five months and there appears to be no interest in creating content for it until content is created). While I'm not at all upset that the edit itself was reverted (that happens, it's part of editing), I am somewhat sensitive about perceived condescension and antagonism, even if unintentional. (It's a character flaw. I have difficulty oftentimes reading tone in plain text.) At any rate, I am still largely unconvinced that it was inappropriate to redirect the article to the main series article, but, as I said on your talk page, I'm not interested in contesting it. ~Cheers, [[User:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Ten</span>]][[User talk:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:MediumSeaGreen;">Ton</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TenTonParasol|<span style="color:LightGreen;">Parasol</span>]] 04:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
::We all keep running into each other...
::For what it's worth, TenTon, I agree with your redirect for the stub was appropriate. That said, the shell of the article with its single assertion broad assertion is innocuous (as opposed to e.g. blatant OR) or uncited content. Between that and sheer exhaustion, I'm disinclined to finagle over redirecting or [[WP:NODEADLINE]]ing. As for NadirAli's tone in both his message above and edit summary, I agree that it's condescending and antagonistic; it ain't just you. --[[User:EEMIV|EEMIV]] ([[User talk:EEMIV|talk]]) 14:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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Allen's article

I managed to expand Allen Walker's reception section as much as possible. It's been long since I read the manga so I don't if some parts from appearances could be trimmed. If touched properly I think Allen could easily become a GA. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 22:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also I have been wondering whether a Yu Kanda article could be created considering the third party sources I found. Also, if the new series is streamed officially we might find even more.Tintor2 (talk) 02:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
MM! I apologize I've been non-responsive, I'm wrapping up a semester and I've mostly been checking to do smaller reversions and I also keep forgetting to reply because the big notification isn't up anymore. So! I noticed the Allen article in my watchlist, and I'll take a look at it next week--I have a trip over the weekend and I'll be away from wifi. And I'll also check to see about a Kanda one? From what I can recall, there probably is enough on him, especially since I haven't been keeping up with reception and I don't know what the reviewers have been saying about later issues, like the Alma Karma stuff--so there's probably more than I recall. Um, so, yeah! Again, I'm sorry, and I'm quite glad someone has been looking out for the Allen article. Yeah, it could probably pass GA, now that you've mentioned it. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 02:46, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I know you are busy so feel free to comeback whenever you want.Tintor2 (talk) 13:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And it becomes a GA. You deserve credit too for starting it and sourcing it. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 18:47, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've been gathering reception info from Kanda in User:Tintor2/sandbox. Feel free to add anything. I would create an article, but I can't find anything about how he was created. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 22:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've created the Yu Kanda article but it still lacks some creation info? I see that you were the one who added creation info to Allen. Could you add it to Kanda? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 22:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So, I'm finally back from all the stuff and things, and firstly, congrats on the successful GA! And, I'll poke around the volumes and the translations I still have lying around for Gray Ark? I don't know if I have translation for, like, CharaGray or anything, but I'll definitely take a look in the morning. (It's late here right now.) I can't remember anything off the top of my head--incidentally, there might be more for Lavi--but I'll look. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 02:38, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
By any chance, does the charagray have this interview? I tried contacting the person who wrote that but he/she responded he/she didn't remember where he got it.Tintor2 (talk) 02:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to say that I'm 80% sure that it is. I have a more rough translation of that saved under my "CharaGray translations" folder, but I'll have to figure out exactly what page it's on. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 02:55, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I expanded the reception section and referenced some of the appearances section. Still, the creation section feels too small for a GA nominations (yes, my writing is bad but I know who to ask for a copyedit). What do you think? Should we also add an image of Kanda wielding Mugen? Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 22:27, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Translations for the D.Gray-man you mentioned

There is a forum I often visit that translates many things here. I am a user there. If you have the scans but you fear it can be copyright, just send them to my e-mail martinsartor8@hotmail.com. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 20:06, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Also, another interview here.Tintor2 (talk) 21:56, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, this is from CharaGray so I added to the article.Tintor2 (talk) 00:25, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Now Yu Kanda became a GA. I would be glad to write an article for Lenalee or Lavi, but I haven't found any third-party sources to pass notability.Tintor2 (talk) 14:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

thx

Thanks for fixing image of Andrea Navedo. I was working too quickly. However TV promo pictures are fine as long as they are licensed correctly. Victuallers (talk) 07:26, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I was actually looking something up on Guerrero, and I knew what Navedo looked like.
In my understanding, while that is true, they cannot be used for someone who is living because a non-free version can be obtained. WP:FAIRUSE has in its lead: "Non-free content should not be used when a freely licensed file that serves the same purpose can reasonably be expected to be uploaded, as is the case for almost all portraits of living people." An image of a still living actress doesn't meet the "no free equivalent" criteron, "Can this non-free content be replaced by a free version that has the same effect?" and "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by properly sourced text without using the non-free content at all?" So, in that case, while generally a screenshot from a television episode could make fair use--such as to identify a fictional character portrayed by a still living actress--from what I've seen, it will not be deemed acceptable for use on the article of the actress herself. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 17:08, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wild Cards articles

You seem to have removed a number of articles relating to "Wild Cards" on the basis on notability. I was going to just undo all you changes, but felt it would be better to discuss this with you. "Wild Cards" is a hugely popular series, and the detail in the articles is equivalent to other similar book series in Wikipedia. Also it might be worth noting that in Europe "Wild Cards" is massively popular, and Wikipedia is for everyone. Just to show you how big "Wild Cards" is, here's an article from yesterday: http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/blogs/neighbors/george-r-r-martin-is-hosting-a-multi-author-wild/article_598d636a-47a8-11e6-b6ee-db8ed81168d4.html

Here's one from last week: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/01/free-on-bleeding-cool-george-r-r-martins-wild-cards-the-hard-call-1-2/

Damiantgordon (talk) 18:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Damiantgordon:, I understand that the series itself is notable, and very clearly so, which is why I didn't just nominate the Wild Cards main article for deletion and I only redirected all the individual articles to a new article, List of Wild Cards books and short stories. I'm doubting that the individual novels have enough to support their own articles. Popularity doesn't determine whether the books should each get their own article instead of being summarized in larger articles, but the amount of material and notability does. The articles were basic plot summary and chapter lists, and they weren't proper articles, and I couldn't find enough specific development of each individual novel and enough reviews for each individual novel to support the separate articles. As for the amount of detail equivalent to other similar book series, the articles were stubs, barely containing any information. I highly doubt the individual articles have enough material to make them equivalent to Casino Royale (novel) or The Hunger Games (novel). Any information Isn't really sufficient for sub-articles and could easily be summarized on the main article. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 19:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nea Walker vs Nea D. Campbell

For some reason, the 14th Noah has been addressed with two different last names. However, I remember he simply introduced to Allen as "Nea". Do you think we should change to simply Nea? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 23:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think simply "Nea" across articles generally would avoid this whole which to use thing. In his own section on the character article, I suppose "also referred to as Nea Walker and Nea D. Campbell" would suffice to summarize that, I would think? (ALso, I have been very unresponsive. And I apologize. I look at things on mobile, and then I forget to respond, and then it gets to be too long without a response and I'm like.... ahhh. Congratulations on the Allen Walker GA, by the way!) ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:40, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. You are also busy with other articles. Also, Kanda also became a GA. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 23:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
FRilling hell. I was just rereading my "Allen" thing and I was like "That doesn't feel right". I got thrown off by the "[Nea] Walker" and distracted lmao. Oh dear. Time to take a nap. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Han Solo trilogy

I do know that the trilogy is a rumor now, so, if it's true, we will know about it! Lg16spears (talk) 23:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Lg16spears:. In which case, it being a rumor, I'm saying that it should be removed and we should hold off including it. Per WP:RUMOR: Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable. Speculation and rumor, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content. The particular quote related to products, but it's just as applicable to film announcements. We can be patient and wait until a more reliable and definitive source comes out. We're not in any rush here, and the article isn't meant to report on the latest going-ons and happenings. We're not competing with news sources. I'm going to remove the sentence again. Though, I do ask that you understand your contribution and willingness to improve the article is appreciated, I just think we're being a little hasty here. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We will find out about it, sooner or later. Lg16spears (talk) 23:34, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Lg16spears:, I understand. I'm simply advocating we hold off on reporting on rumors sourced originally from a gossip column. We will find out later, and I believe it wiser to include the information at that later date. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:36, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some ideas behind D.Gray-man's articles

The more sources I find to expand Allen Walker's reception, the more I wonder if it can become a Featured Article. However, I'm not too sure about it since the project does not have characters like that as examples. What do you think? I'm pretty sure it still need some changes so I would like the imput of more experienced editors like @ProtoDrake: or @TheFarix:. I also thought about making author Katsura Hoshino a GA, but I have never worked into one of those. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 00:56, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure the Hoshino article can pass a GA, even if it's a little sparse on biographical information, but, really, there's isn't much bio stuff to be had. As far as FA for Allen, I'm not exactly sure you have to model it on anime and manga articles? I can't remember what the quality articles under that WikiProject are. But, you can model it off articles like Lightning (Final Fantasy) (promoted a couple of years ago, but appeared on the front page recently, so I'd assume it's still in decent shape). ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 20:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominated Hoshino's article. About Allen, I wonder if there have been interviews with his actors Kobayashi and Murase to balance more the real world info. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 22:56, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be watching Hoshino page, and I'll try to help out and address any issues if I can't. I have no idea if there are any interviews and I'm not sure how to look either. Though, I'll scrub through the websites and see if I can find anything? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:02, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Check this. Apparently, the audiodramas came packaged with the D.Gray-Man videogame, "The Privilege of the Musician". Is it one of two D.Gray-man Nintendo DS games?Tintor2 (talk) 20:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Allen Walker's data

In the article's Characteristics section I added his age, height and weight based on the character guide book CharaGray. Do you by any chance have the original data from the first guidebook. Even Hoshino said that Allen was much shorter in the beginning. I think Allen in the beginning is 15. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 17:06, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really think those numbers are necessary? They're trivial stats, and they're not necessary to understanding the character. I can look around for Hoshino's statement that she consciously made Allen grow as the series progressed, but the actual numbers aren't necessary to contextualize that, the statement alone is enough. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 01:03, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I think I was more focused on other possible FA when writing it.Tintor2 (talk) 01:35, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted page parts

Hello TenTonParasol, why did you delete the page i am working on? If there is any problem let me know and i can change it. you deleted 200 hours work!

yours Leroni Leroni Verderoc (talk) 12:58, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Leroni Verderoc: The reason I removed much of the information from the The Rebel Legion page was because it is a much too over-detailed breakdown of the group's organizational structure. Please also see The Rebel Legion § Too much detail at the article's talk page. Wikipedia is not a directory. It is inappropriate to list every base, outpost, and similar within the structure of Rebel Legion on the article. The amount of time invested in a particular action, inappropriate to inclusion or otherwise, is not a valid reason for keeping the content. The article needs a lot of further (summarized) expansion: the history of the group, for one. Though, please note, the article's contents need to be supported by reliable (see: WP:RS), non-primary sources (i.e., those published on a website not associated with the group) that give the organization significant coverage (as opposed to a passing, trivial mention). If you are able to contribute to the article in that manner, that would be more helpful that readding much too detailed information about the locations and coverage of every chapter of the organization and a listing of what characters are covered by what division.
I must also ask: are you personally associated with the Rebel Legion? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 13:29, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello TenTonParasol, You realy realy shocked me.
I understand! .. I will try to change it and only put in the significant parts (informations) of the organisation. The side was a little bit lost with the error message on the top. so i thought i do my best to find a way that the message is gone and to fill up the page.
I cant write any text, because i am not native speaker. (if the page here is ready and the pr-officer of the organisation like it, i will translate it to my native language).
I will go on with trying to find the "right" links to other pages to show that we are an organisation.
Yes i am associated with the Rebel Legion. (Merchandise Officer of the KJO / XO of the Lothal Outpost) yours Leroni
Leroni Verderoc (talk) 13:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Leroni Verderoc: As you are associated with the group, you have a conflict of interest (COI). While I believe you are seeking to improve the article in adherence to Wikipedia guidelines, recommend you (and probably even the public relations officer you've mentioned) read the conflict of interest guideline, the FAQ for organizations, and the neutral point of view policy.
In addition to this, I ask that you:
  • avoid editing or creating articles related to the Rebel Legion and, I would also say, the sister organization the 501st Legion, and any other LFL sanctioned costuming group;
  • instead, propose changes on the talk pages of articles in question so that someone unaffiliated with the organization may add them (the {{request edit}} template is good for this purpose);
  • I am going to note at the top of the Rebel Legion talk page that you are connected editor, but when discussing affected articles elsewhere, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
  • exercise caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.
This is not something that I personally am asking, but it is something that Wikipedia asks of editors who are connected to an article. I hope you understand. You can still make suggestions for improvement, point to reliable sources, and discuss changes to the article on the talk page. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 14:12, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
uff .. i will take care that it is a neutral point of view.
i will try to put in some facts. some small information. .. i will not make other pages...i will try to find related links ...
google translater dont realy tell me: Am I allowed to go on with work on this page?
Leroni Verderoc (talk) 14:26, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Leroni Verderoc: Yes, you can continue contributing to the page. However, it is very highly recommended that you do not edit the page directly. Instead, on the article's talk page, state the changes you want made. Another editor, such as myself or someone else, will look at it. The other editor will either make the change or state why the change is inappropriate. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 14:38, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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please can you write an article about alienarchy becouse im italian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.0.167.120 (talk) 20:26, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion started here ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 04:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for messaging me. While your concerns and points are legitimate, a move like that will require consensus. If it were another page or stub topic that can fit in another article, that would be different. As for my "command" I am sorry that you misinterpreted it as one. It was a request to leave it till the article fills up or unless there was a consensus with reasoning behind it to redirect. Please be familiar with the consensus policy (as faulty as I agree it is, it is precise in this case) before making moves on differing topics. Thank you and goodnight.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 04:09, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@NadirAli: I find it somewhat condescending that you've told me to "please be familiar with the consensus policy". I am well aware of consensus and when I must seek it. As I stated in my edit summary when I redirected the article, I was making a WP:BOLD edit because the article existed in its empty state for nearly half a year. I thought it an uncontroversial edit, and I thought it unnecessary to seek consensus for something that seemed obvious (i.e., redirect an article that has had no content for five months and there appears to be no interest in creating content for it until content is created). While I'm not at all upset that the edit itself was reverted (that happens, it's part of editing), I am somewhat sensitive about perceived condescension and antagonism, even if unintentional. (It's a character flaw. I have difficulty oftentimes reading tone in plain text.) At any rate, I am still largely unconvinced that it was inappropriate to redirect the article to the main series article, but, as I said on your talk page, I'm not interested in contesting it. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 04:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We all keep running into each other...
For what it's worth, TenTon, I agree with your redirect for the stub was appropriate. That said, the shell of the article with its single assertion broad assertion is innocuous (as opposed to e.g. blatant OR) or uncited content. Between that and sheer exhaustion, I'm disinclined to finagle over redirecting or WP:NODEADLINEing. As for NadirAli's tone in both his message above and edit summary, I agree that it's condescending and antagonistic; it ain't just you. --EEMIV (talk) 14:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]