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Laodice (wife of Mithridates II of Commagene)

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Apparently nonexistent: the source cited here is clear that "Mithridates' wife Laodike", alongside the husband "Mithridates" and relative "Antiochus", are simply people who shared the names of some contemporary royalty, and not royals themselves. She is no "queen", but rather belongs to the "local wealthy leading family" mentioned in the article. Presumably created as result of a misunderstanding. Avilich (talk) 21:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:03, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to her husband. Laodice is a credible transliteration of the Greek, but as the article makes clear we know next to nothing of her, only a name. That is not enough for an article. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:37, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if she was a real queen, she may pass WP:NPOL per monarchy system. VocalIndia (talk) 13:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The difficulty in this instance is that I kept turning up Laodice VII Thea when looking for this one. Uncle G (talk) 10:46, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: the concept of a non-notable wife and mother of kings seems far fetched, as I gather it does to VocalIndia. Clearly the referencing here is terrible and needs to be far better, but that’s another issue. Moonraker (talk) 02:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. After a decent search on Google Books, I cannot even confirm that she existed, let alone that she is notable. Besides, we have a guideline that explicitly states that being someone's wife or mother or any kind of relative is not enough to warrant a biography. See WP:INVALIDBIO as well as WP:NOTINHERITED. Surtsicna (talk) 03:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I cannot confirm that Mithridates II's wife even was called Laodice. Can't find any in depth reliable sources to suggest a WP:GNG pass. Though NPOl was mentioned above, being married to a king is not an NPOL criterion. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- The nom has criticised my vote on my talk page. Reading the article it is clear that there is a source for her existence, namely a funerary inscription. On the other hand, we know nothing of her but her name. That is not enough for an article, but might be enough to add something about here (with a redirect) in another article. I therefore maintain my vote. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, yes, but it doesn't say she was royalty. Avilich (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The funerary inscription cited mentions a Laodice wife of Mithridates, but the Mithridates mentioned in that inscription is a different person to Mithridates II of Commagene, and doesn't have his own wikipedia page. So this article cannot be redirected to the article on the husband of the woman mentioned in the inscription, because such an article does not exist. This article provides no source, and I can find no source, for the claim that the wife of Mithridates II of Commagene was called Laodice. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Comment''' -- The nom has criticised my vote on my talk page.  Reading the article it is clear that there is a source for her existence, namely a funerary inscription.  On the other hand, we know nothing of her but her name.  That is not enough for an article, but might be enough to add something about here (with a redirect) in another article.  I therefore maintain my vote.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 19:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 ::Sigh, yes, but it doesn't say she was royalty. [[User:Avilich|Avilich]] ([[User talk:Avilich|talk]]) 20:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
+::The funerary inscription cited mentions a Laodice wife of Mithridates, but the Mithridates mentioned in that inscription is a different person to Mithridates II of Commagene, and doesn't have his own wikipedia page.  So this article cannot be redirected to the article on the husband of the woman mentioned in the inscription, because such an article does not exist.  This article provides no source, and I can find no source, for the claim that the wife of Mithridates II of Commagene was called Laodice. [[User:Caeciliusinhorto|Caeciliusinhorto]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto|talk]]) 22:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)