Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 January 1

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 1, 2015.

Yandi Sofyan

• Yandi Sofyan → (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Redirect to another non-English version of Wikipedia. MbahGondrong (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Start div col

• Template:Start div col → Template:Div col (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Template:End div col → Template:Div col end (links to redirect • history • stats)

These template redirects were created last april, and they serve no usefull purpose, but their creator has steadily been replacing the non-redirected template calls, which will only confuse (new) editors, as they think they found yet another column template. The around 300 transclusions for both should first be cleanup up with a bot. (Templates not tagged because they are in use.) -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 15:07, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• Keep as harmless. No need to replace them in existing articles, though. Si Trew (talk) 15:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

  I can understand retaining old redirects for backward compatibility, but why create additional names for existing templates? It only adds confusion and ambiguity... That is not harmless. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 16:29, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I've argued that several times myself, but consensus seems generally to be that creation and deletion are not symmetrical: we wouldn't create them, but since they exist, harm can be done by deleting them, more than is done by retaining them. It would be nice to have {{Deprecated}} or something, though. Si Trew (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• delete Concur with Edokter that newlyvery recently created redirects make for redundancy and dilution. --  Gadget850 ^talk 16:40, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

"Last April" is not "newly created". Si Trew (talk) 17:49, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Considering that {{div col}} was created August 2007‎, the the redirect is pretty darn new. --  Gadget850 ^talk 17:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: Edokter, I tagged the redirects since Template:Rfd now utilizes Lua in a way that allows the nomination tag to not be transcluded with the transcluded redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 17:20, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I thought that could already be done, with <noinclude> and <includeonly>. Si Trew (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• Keep as noticeably/notably useful. The name "Div col" does not indicate that its (primary) use is as a template marking the start of a section, i.e. a template that requires a complementary end/close template. "Start div col", however, does – and, with the word "Start" at the... start of the name, it can serve as a reminder to include the end/close template or to check for this template while debugging/reviewing/etc code. (Its complementary template name, therefore, is, as above, "End div col".)

Ditto templates such as {{startflatlist}} / {{endflatlist}}, {{startplainlist}} / {{endplainlist}} – although perhaps these should include a space after each "start" and "end"..?

Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:56, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Boston Christmas Tree

• Boston Christmas Tree → Halifax Explosion (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

This is probably better redirected to Boston–Halifax relations, while the Explosion article does touch on the giving of the tree in 1918 and beyond at the end of the article, the relations article covers the tree and tradition in greater depth. kelapstick^(bainuu) 13:22, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• Retarget to section Boston–Halifax relations#Christmas Tree tradition, per nom. Si Trew (talk) 15:40, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
• Comment: I think a stand alone article on the tree itself is appropriate, and may work on one in the future. Barring that, however, I think it is probably better redirected to Boston–Halifax relations, per nom. --Briancua (talk) 17:15, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

MeGUI

• MeGUI → MEncoder (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

I don't know why this title redirects to MEncoder but I know that these two are barely related. I perfectly know MeGUI. (MeGUI is a computer program with a notoriously complex user interface that acts as a frontend for 60 pieces of different other individual tools, including x264 and ffmpeg but not MEncoder.) I am afraid I doubt that MeGUI is notable for Wikipedia, regrettable as this fact may be. Codename Lisa (talk) 03:13, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thingland

• Thingland → Diversity index (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Cannot find a link between redirect and target, possibly either WP:A11 or WP:G3. ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(talk) 02:04, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• Delete this redirect makes no sense. Google search did not provide substantial results. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:16, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Low-wage job

• Low-wage job → McJob (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Low-paying job → McJob  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]
• Low-wage work → McJob  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Delete per the consensus at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 December 18#Example of low wage job. At that discussion, Example of low wage job was deleted while there were votes to retarget it to McJob, the current target of the nominated redirects. Since the deleted redirect and these nominated ones are so similar, they should all probably have the same fate for consistency: delete. Steel1943 (talk) 00:23, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• Delete. I agree, this and "Example of..." should stand or fall together. That will leave three articles (Working poor, Health insurance coverage in the United States and Underemployment) with "broken" links: tough. We couldn't think of a better target last time, and seeding would not be appropriate. I note Low wage job (without the hyphen) is red. Si Trew (talk) 13:18, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
• Keep - Wikipedia's discussion of jobs which pay poor wages and have poor job security and poor prospects for advancement is listed under the title McJob; this redirect is appropriate. Note that Low-paying job targets here. Renaming the target article may be worthwhile for a separate discussion. Ivanvector (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

(ec, twice) I'm not sure renaming the target (presumably to "low-wage job") is a good idea; despite the assertion in the lede it does mostly concentrate on McDonald's, and doing so would be WP:UNDUE. Casting the net wider, living wage is a possible target, as are a lot of things in its "what links here" (but I wouldn't like to choose). Nice find with Low-paying job (Low paying job is red). Si Trew (talk) 15:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• @Ivanvector: Good point about another related redirect targeting McJob. I added it to the nomination, as well as Low-wage work. Steel1943 (talk) 15:47, 1 January 2015 (UTC)