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Michael Stammel

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Small town mayor, meets neither WP:GNG nor WP:NPOL. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is a lot of information on Mayor Michael Stammel. I worked hard on this article. He is also a prominent figure in the Capital Region of New York State, you can find many articles on the internet pertaining to him. There are articles about his political career, articles about him speaking about environmental issues in Rensselaer as well as other information. Why be so adamant about removing an informative article that someone put work in to? It has been on here for months with no issue. Dellis12144 (talk) 18:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 15:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unfinished page for a local politician who fails WP:NPOL. If there is no consensus to delete, redirect to List of mayors of Rensselaer, New York. KidAd • SPEAK 18:25, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why are we not allowing the article to be placed in draft then so it can continue to be edited? There is no reason to delete and redirect. Dellis12144 (talk) 18:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The page has been moved to draftspace at Draft:Michael Stammel. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's move back now. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:56, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify since the page creator is open to improving the article there. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify since the article is a contender for being improved, it should be moved to draft space. There are plenty of valid sources on the internet for information on Michael Stammel that may be used. There is no reason to delete an article that has many reference sources available even if the subject is a representative of a smaller size community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dellis12144 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If the page creator is willing to make changes to improve it should be sent to draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.194.179.229 (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dellis12144, the creator of the page, is known for editing and creating articles related to Rensselaer, New York and Rensselaer County. Given that the IP is located in that specific area, it is safe to assume that the user is editing as an IP in an attempt to sway this discussion in some way. KidAd • SPEAK 22:37, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you tagging me? I did post a comment: since the article is a contender for being improved, it should be moved to draft space. There are plenty of valid sources on the internet for information on Michael Stammel that may be used. There is no reason to delete an article that has many reference sources available even if the subject is a representative of a smaller size community. Dellis12144 (talk) 23:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read my comment? I tagged you because I think you logged out of your account to comment in this AfD as an IP. Am I wrong? Is that IP not you pretending to be someone else? KidAd • SPEAK 00:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

KidAd my account stays logged in 24 hours a day. Not sure how I could comment as someone else and not know. Why are you so adamant about deleting the article when many updates have been made to it? I've added more information as well as many more sources for the information. You state that the subject is not notable. I do want to let you know that there are many other local level politicians listed on Wikipedia as well. With valid resources, there is no reason they shouldn't be. If you'd like, I can send you a word document with every single news story I can find on Mr. Stammel online to prove that he is indeed notable. Dellis12144 (talk) 12:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Draftify or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nothing notable found in third party sources. If he was, I'd expect to find something in the New York Times, being a paper of record for the state; only one hit on a senator giving a tour of his district that just mentions the name. Oaktree b (talk) 23:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you like, I could provide you with an entire word document of every article there is online about Michael Stammel. Just because he is not a state level politician doesn't mean he isn't notable. He is notable in the local community and the county of Rensselaer. Dellis12144 (talk) (contribs) 17:39, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify I don't see any reason not to, if the article creator requests it. Mlb96 (talk) 06:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You. Spent a lot of time editing it and adding sources. Dellis12144 (talk) (contribs) 13:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, don't draftify lack of notability cannot be fixed by editing, so why are we even talking about draftifying the article? Alternately, I also support redirect to List of mayors of Rensselaer, New York. (t · c) buidhe 19:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete mayor of a place with under 10,000 people immediately adjacent to a much larger and more noticed city. This is not a position where the holder is even remotely likely to be notable. I have to admit I am unsure why we have a whole article on the position, instead of a more general article on the government of the city or good coverage of both in the article on the city. I have to say in general Wikipedia artilces on cities have sub-standard coverage of their government. Far too few do we even say if they have a council-manage, council-mayor, city commission or other type of government, and even less often do we discuss the change of such government over time. Flooding Wikipedia with articles on places that were actually just a well or a mine has left us with our articles on actual cities often being sub-standard. Then we turn around and flood it with bios on non-notable mayors, instead of creating useful text on thestructure of government.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why does it hurt to have an article with valid resources published on Wikipedia? He may not be a state or federal level government official but he is indeed notable in the local community as well as the county. Dellis12144 (talk) (contribs) 15:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My concern is that this article has been on Wikipedia for over a year until someone decided to redirect it. A lot of updates have been made to the article. Dellis12144 (talk) (contribs) 16:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]