Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27

April 27

Category:Shipwrecks of North Asia

• Propose merging Category:Shipwrecks of North Asia to Category:Shipwrecks of Asia and Category:History of Siberia

Nominator's rationale: merge, currently only one article in the category, which is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

British people by descent

• Propose renaming Category:People from Northern Ireland by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Northern Ireland by descent
• Propose renaming Category:Scottish people by ethnic or national origin by Category:Scottish people by descent
• Propose renaming Category:Welsh people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Welsh people by descent

Nominator's rationale: rename for consistency, the subcategories are "by descent". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Cornish people by descent

• Propose merging Category:Cornish people by descent to Category:Cornish people

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Fictional animals by taxon

• Propose merging Category:Fictional animals by taxon to Category:Fictional animals by type

Nominator's rationale: No reason has been given why this unnecessarily WP:NARROWCAT has been created. It only contains two taxons which is not enough to justify an entire separate category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep Category:Fictional animals by taxon, but merge Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates into Category:Fictional animals by taxon. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Ultimately doing that is just shuffling around deck chairs and makes no real difference. But I think the more longstanding categories (since 2006) should take precedence over your new 2024 category, not things be merged just because you want your category to be prominent. You have just stated an opinion but not provided a reason to back why taxon is better than the vertebrate/invertebrate split. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

• Both the nominated and the alt proposal could be an improvement, but I prefer the alternative, in order to keep taxa together as a recognizable attrribute. I have tagged the two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:American politicians who are the most recent member of their party to hold statewide office

• Propose deleting Category:American politicians who are the most recent member of their party to hold statewide office (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Overcategorization. This is not a defining characteristic for any of these individuals, it's trivial, and narrow. Its also temporary. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep: Let’s consider what Wikipedia:Overcategorization defines as non-trivial characteristics: “For biographical articles, it is usual to categorize by such aspects as their career, origins, and major accomplishments. In contrast, someone's tastes in food, their favorite holiday destination, or the number of tattoos they have would be considered trivia.” It is indisputably a major accomplishment and notable career event to have been the very last member of a political party to win a statewide election. These people were alone and remain alone as members of their parties with statewide power, reflecting ideological transitions and resource disparities. That is why this trait is noted in the introduction of almost every biography under the category. It does not remotely compare with arbitrary preferences or traits, and you have failed to elaborate about why it should. You have essentially conceded that there is no formal rule whatsoever against categories which are so-called “temporary.” Of course elections and generational turnover mean that pages will eventually be swapped out. In many cases in this category, this will likely take years to decades - underscoring how the category is illustrative of partisan leans and relevant to understanding both the unique "maverick" identities of some politicians as well as the electoral geography of the United States. Wikipedia is updated to reflect current events. This category, along with many other categories and biographies, is no different. Finally, it is hardly narrow to cover 23 politicians from 23 22 different states and multiple decades. 1Matt20 (talk) 02:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as recentism. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Guido Gezelle

• Propose deleting Category:Guido Gezelle (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This epon category has the poet and the one of their colleagues. That's not helpful for navigation, considering that they already link to each other. Mason (talk) 00:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)