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*{{Decline}} - I see no reason to publicly connect an account with an IP address using the CU tool. '''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 18:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
*{{Decline}} - I see no reason to publicly connect an account with an IP address using the CU tool. '''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 18:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
*{{clerk note}} Please note that on the English Wikipedia a user [[Wikipedia:CheckUser#Grounds_for_checking|cannot consent to a check]] to prove their innocence, so a check won’t be run solely for that reason. Also, disclosure of an IP is generally reserved for the most egregious of offenses and even then it’s preferable to disclose it privately. I agree with Rschen7754’s decline because it would be a breach of the privacy policy to provide a public, technical verification of an IP link to Lightbreather. That being said, the IP has been engaging in internal discussion, contributing to the same discussion as a registered and logged-out user, and attempting to avoiding scrutiny, all in violation of the [[WP:ILLEGIT|sockpuppetry policy]]. I’ve compiled a number of diffs that I believe sufficiently demonstrates that Lightbreather has been editing while logged out.
*Behavioral analysis {{inprogress}}. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<font color="#151B54">'''Mike V'''</font>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<font color="#C16C16">'''Talk'''</font>]]</span> 23:07, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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Lightbreather and the IP use the same expression:
;Lightbreather
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention&diff=prev&oldid=629200914 Or a "Politically Correct" place (with the aggressive capital "P" and "C" to try to belittle what I'm talking about).]
;IP
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635155235 My use of an IP address is for a legitimate purpose: Privacy - with a capital "P"]

There's an emphasis on the number of individuals who find a pejorative offensive:
;Lightbreather
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention&diff=prev&oldid=629377962 who knows that I and hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of other people find this word offensive]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention&diff=prev&oldid=629381403 oh! then it's ok. what was i thinking, getting offended. my feelings and millions of others' are unimportant.]
;IP
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633747657 Eric Corbett has used on Wikipedia <del>a particular term that</del><ins> the word 'cunt,' which</ins> many users find highly offensive] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633748135 (Additional instance)]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633822968 even if he isn't a misogynist, this certainly shows gross insensitivity (at the least) toward the millions who consider the word misogynistic.]

Similar pieces of evidence were highlighted:
;Lightbreather
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Evidence&diff=prev&oldid=629512699#Past_conduct During related discussion on Jimbo's talk page, Eric asked Saffron Blaze if they were "''hiding behind the door when God handed out brains''."]
;IP
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635315833 And what if he were to say in a discussion or an edit summary, "If you don't want to be called a <nowiki>[ass, cunt, dick, toady]</nowiki>, don't act like one"? Or "Were you hiding behind the door when God was handing out brains"?]

There's a shared interest in quantifying the gender of the participants:
;LightBreather
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635401369 Five men and two women went before ArbCom because of disruptions at the WP:GGTF. Only one of the 12 arbitrators was a woman.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635796934 If you were to look at this case as you would a jury trial, you would note that the jury is made up of 11 men and 1 woman. Look at how those men and women voted, especially regarding Carolmooredc and Eric Corbett, ''both'' of whom have pluses and minuses going for them, albeit differing pluses and minuses. <nowiki>[...]</nowiki> Now, imagine if the jury had been 11 women and 1 man, or even 6 women and 6 men. Do you think the outcome would be the same, especially regarding CMDC and EC, in either of those situations?]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635476224 I believe gender - the gender of the involved parties and the gender of the arbitrators - was a significant contributing factor in the outcome.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention&diff=prev&oldid=629364395 But as long as you're happy with 85% to 90% men, and a style of "discussing" that these men (and 10% to 15% of women) are OK with, who cares, right?]

;IP
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=632897771 Two of the eight (including Sitush) are women, and apparently, Corbett joined in just to ask, "What's the basis for <nowiki>[the]</nowiki> argument that calling someone a cunt is childish?" How he or anyone else can ''not'' see how off-putting this kind of language is to many people - especially women - who would like to edit on Wikipedia... it boggles the mind.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention&diff=prev&oldid=634175764 Even if it is only symbolic - not one woman?]

Drawing distinctions between men and women:
;Lightbreather
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635473454 This agonistic style here is ''generally'' a male style, though not all men thrive in it - and ''some'' women do. Or at least some men and women learn how to survive in it. Those who neither thrive or survive in such an environment aren't weak or inferior or a minority, and they shouldn't have to get uncivil or endure incivility to participate.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention&diff=prev&oldid=629235219 I suppose mixed company may be simplified to mean mixed gender, but I'm talking about more than gender. Gender ''plays a part'' because GENERALLY men and women tend to communicate and approach conflict differently. You're hearing treat men and women differently... as the way men treat each other is the norm and to treat women differently is to coddle them or some such. I'm saying that to treat each other in the agonistic way that one encounters on Wikipedia is GENERALLY the way men treat each other and is not necessarily the norm or better than other ways. Lacking any other evidence about whether someone is male, female, black, white - mixed company - we should be ''more'' civil with each other, not less.]
;IP
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention&diff=prev&oldid=633888346 Where has anyone said that "that swearing is a problem for women but not for men"? Dennis' response to your questions at first seems promising, but then crosses the line by suggesting that others are suggesting that you treat women editors "as weak, delicate flowers that require men to shield them from profanity." Did you read the last section, Research article: Emotions under Discussion? Or any of the other articles that have been presented here ''and'' in related discussions? It's ''not'' that ''all'' men behave or communicate this way or that ''all'' women behave or communicate that way. (This is where Dennis' response seemed promising.) It's simply that, ''generally speaking'', women and men have ''different'' styles of behaving and communicating, and the style that is endorsed as the acceptable, "normal" one here is the ''generally'' male style. (Probably because the editorial body is mostly male.) '''But who said that style is the norm? Or that to behave differently is weak or inferior?''']
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force&diff=prev&oldid=632881260 "Fuck" language gets the adrenaline up. For most men (not all) it gets their "fight" instincts up. For most women (not all) it gets their "flight" instincts up.]

Holding similar viewpoints on Eric Corbett:
;Lightbreather
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635789648 Regardless, it's obvious that she's burnt out. So I'll tell <nowiki>[Carolmooredc]</nowiki> now what several editors rushed to tell Eric when he did the same thing called Jimbo Wales a "dishonest cunt" - ''after this case was opened.'' Carolmooredc: Unless and arbitrator asks you a direct question related to this case, hush! There might be hope for you yet, just as Eric received an early Christmas present four days ago with Proposal 2.3.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635412437 John Carter and Arbitrators: Eric was blocked on average every 11-12 weeks between May 2008 and May 2013, (when he edited as Malleus Fatuorum). He was blocked on average every 9 weeks between May 2013 and October 2014 (editing as Eric Corbett). Or, if you add them all together, 30 blocks in 317 weeks = 1 block every 10.5 weeks. Jehochman and Arbitrators: I do ''not'' see anything in Proposal 2.3 that says explicitly that Eric will be site banned if his disruptive behavior continues.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635787797 Carrite is, in this instance, talking out his arse (as Eric Corbett has infamously said numerous times)] (edit summary)
;IP
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635150666 Wasn't this proposed earlier? There is no reason to offer special treatment for someone who has been disruptive for years with his incivility. This only gives him permission to continue the behavior, knowing that the worst that will happen is a 48-hour ban. Others need to quit making excuses and exceptions for this man and let him lie in the bed he's made. He isn't the universe's gift to Wikipedia. He hasn't got keyboard Tourette's. He's a man with bad habits that he has repeatedly refused to change, and his fans have repeatedly dismissed.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635152163 If you trust Eric to keep his word, make the promise include apologizing for and retracting insults regardless of whether ''he'' meant them to be insulting. If someone says they're insulted, and what was said might reasonably be accepted as being insulting, he should not be able to skate. No-one should be able to, really. But this fellow has been given a pass based on this flimsy excuse again and again.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635154120 This proposal is counter to the '''No personal attacks''' ''policy'' section Consequences of personal attacks. Again, there is no good reason to keep giving this man special treatment. It could well be argued that part of the reason this case happened is because he's been given special treatment for too long.]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633745503 If the problem is uncivil behavior, an uninvolved administrator should have the right to impose a sanction explicitly approved of here. Part of what draws out the drama so much when Corbett is involved is that everyone starts dragging up past contributions and collaborations as a pass. Long arguments ensue, nothing happens, and his victims think, Why on Earth does this person get to act this way?]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633822968 even if he isn't a misogynist, this certainly shows gross insensitivity (at the least) toward the millions who consider the word misogynistic.]

Frequent quoting of other users in rebuttals:
;Lightbreather
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635924261], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635842390], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635806802], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635802527], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lightbreather&diff=prev&oldid=635800916], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635790406], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635474676], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635451221]

;IP
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635149316 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635167006 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=632897771 3], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=633007649 4], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633753466 5], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=634259045 6], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=634489159 7], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=634500750 8], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=634489159 9], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633876630 10], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633746407 11]

Repeated use of italics and quotations to emphasize a point:
;Lightbreather
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force&diff=prev&oldid=635834408 12], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635825762 13], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635807722 14], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635797603 15], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635796934 16], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lightbreather&diff=prev&oldid=628671033 17], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Evidence&diff=prev&oldid=628374766 18], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635918945 19]
;IP
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635155235 20], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=635152163 21], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=634500750 22], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633897498 23], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention&diff=prev&oldid=633888346 24], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_Gap_Task_Force/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=633876630 25]
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:As a result, I've issued a 1 week block to Lightbreather and a 2 week anon only block for the IP, which should (hopefully) cover the remaining duration of the case. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<font color="#151B54">'''Mike V'''</font>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<font color="#C16C16">'''Talk'''</font>]]</span> 08:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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Lightbreather

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29 November 2014

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets

Per this comment [[1]] and a request to User:Lightbreather who has been requested for consent to checkuser and connect to an account. I made the conclusion that the IP was Lightbreather . The areas edited under as the IP is areas where Lightbreather was active at before her absence ie editor retention and also as a voice of support for both User:Neotarf and User:Carolmooredc. After this the IP started editing the GGTF arb case and in particular seemed to get upset anytime Eric Corbett was [given another chance] which mirrored other comments by Lightbreather. The dates of activity also matched up. Reason for the request is to verify inappropriate usage of an account to evade WP:SCRUTINY as a usage of WP:ILLEGIT. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:07, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • The IP is editing from Phoenix, a look at LB userpage shows she lives in the same timezone plus [[2]] states that's where the user is from the reason why that's partly important is claims like [[3]] which Lightbreather id'd as hers found [[4]] and [[5]]. I've attempted to only use publicly acknowledged details if any of this is WP:OUTING please remove but I hope I covered all my bases. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 11:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.


After discussions with this IP about WP:SCRUTINY, it stop posting, and LightBreather appeared at the same venue; perhaps that's just a coincidence. There is no need to dig further. The problem was resolved by explaining to the IP user that what they thought was an allowed use of an alternate account was actually a prohibited use.[6] [7] It would be vindictive to run checkuser and issue a sanction after any negative behavior had already ceased. I recommend closing this case, until and unless the IP resumes posting. Jehochman Talk 03:13, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • User:Jehochman, I'm not suggesting a block here. I think if it was that person and they were ok with the checkuser(the Ip {certainly was) those comments should be attributed to them. The reason for doing that is because the weight of those comments will be taken differently whether it is a positive or a negative impact. In this case I think scrutiny evasion was the purpose because if the community just sa3w Lightbreather then they might have dismissed it as part of that same group similar to what happened with the Speed of Light case a few years back and people who disagreed. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:18, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is the ocmment I recieved from an ARB [[8]] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:53, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've no idea why GorillaWarfare would say that because a CU is very unlikely publicly to link a user account to an IP. Even if the connection were made, I can't see it being admitted here (although I suppose the arb mailing list might get a note). - Sitush (talk) 12:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is and if you give me 15 minutes why I'm gathering the diffs. So to sum up exactly what I'm saying which is either very accurate or a mammoth assumption of bad faith, Lightbreather started out as an involved party and presented a large amount of evidence and went into a silence as of 10/14, Enter IP 72 less then two weeks later carrying the standard, editing the same page areas as LB does (the gender gap, civility, editor retention etc) and magically disappearing when I made this comment [[9]] [[10]] only to reappear as LB to pick up where the ip left off in the crusade against EC. The excuse that the IP was being used for privacy is plausable but a suggestion makes more sense is that it was done because of the reputation earned by LB and they didn't want that reputation to stand in the way of the ultimate goal one of which has been banning Eric Corbett. The other point raised by User:Jehochman is that they in good faith stopped using the IP when asked about it, that is untrue. [[11]] shows the IP refering to Lightbreather in the third person and deceptively trying to feign ignorance of gender which is odd because they have such a detailed knowledge of everyone else involved, Neotarf, Sitush, Carolmooredc, Two Kinds of Pork and not to mention Eric Corbett and all of his supporters but somehow doesn't know LB gender? I would allege they stopped using the IP because the game was up, more people, Capeo, myself, Jehochman and Salvio, possibly more i missed, started pushing back at the socking and the evidence was becoming clear. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was suggesting you take this to SPI. Implying that comment was endorsing a CU is misleading. GorillaWarfare (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per the guidelines here [[12]] when sockpuppetry is suspected during an open arbcom case to request the checkuser on the arb page, in fairness I did prepare this one because I still thought it would be there but that's one of the reasons why I put it on the page. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:13, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with Jehochman. If the IP is Lightbreather, I think it's a rather flagrant case of avoiding scrutiny. Note that the IP denied being Lightbreather here, by implication, and posted several times more[13][14] after being told about WP:SCRUTINY (which I actually do not believe any experienced user would need telling about in a situation like this). Lightbreather also denies it here, as far as I understand her, even though that is also kind of implicitly and evasively expressed. If the IP is indeed Lightbreather, I'm not impressed by the way her post there, her last so far, was framed. If it's not Lightbreather, I'm also not impressed: why not state outright "The IP is not me"? The timeline which HIAB supplies is enough for a CheckUser IMO; certainly together with the evasiveness. It's not conclusive — if it were, we wouldn't need a checkuser — it may indeed be coincidence. But it's suggestive. Bishonen | talk 14:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Per Bishonen's additional diffs, which I had not seen before, I would not oppose a Checkuser, especially because ArbCom seems to be doling out additional sanctions. Jehochman Talk 16:43, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please limit conversation on the SPI page to behavioral evidence only. Mike VTalk 20:35, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gut feelings? Chin stroking and saying "Hmmm". Really? That's where the post Arbcom fall out has taken us to? How very sad. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 18:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing to do with the arbcom case; due the limitations imposed by WMF's privacy policy, SPI's are often decided on behavioral evidence alone. NE Ent 19:17, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If it's nothing to do with the arbcom case then what is it doing here? It's just a piece of post arbcom gibberish. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 20:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  •  Clerk declined - I see no reason to publicly connect an account with an IP address using the CU tool. Rschen7754 18:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: Please note that on the English Wikipedia a user cannot consent to a check to prove their innocence, so a check won’t be run solely for that reason. Also, disclosure of an IP is generally reserved for the most egregious of offenses and even then it’s preferable to disclose it privately. I agree with Rschen7754’s decline because it would be a breach of the privacy policy to provide a public, technical verification of an IP link to Lightbreather. That being said, the IP has been engaging in internal discussion, contributing to the same discussion as a registered and logged-out user, and attempting to avoiding scrutiny, all in violation of the sockpuppetry policy. I’ve compiled a number of diffs that I believe sufficiently demonstrates that Lightbreather has been editing while logged out.
Evidence

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Lightbreather and the IP use the same expression:

Lightbreather
IP

There's an emphasis on the number of individuals who find a pejorative offensive:

Lightbreather
IP

Similar pieces of evidence were highlighted:

Lightbreather
IP

There's a shared interest in quantifying the gender of the participants:

LightBreather
IP

Drawing distinctions between men and women:

Lightbreather
IP

Holding similar viewpoints on Eric Corbett:

Lightbreather
IP

Frequent quoting of other users in rebuttals:

Lightbreather
IP

Repeated use of italics and quotations to emphasize a point:

Lightbreather
IP
As a result, I've issued a 1 week block to Lightbreather and a 2 week anon only block for the IP, which should (hopefully) cover the remaining duration of the case. Mike VTalk 08:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]