[User:Sanchom Admin Sancho] has laid The Wikipedia rule on this matter. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Omar_Sharif#Summary_and_moving_forward On Omar Sharif's Talk page], Sancho He has stated: "* SD, avoid original research. Even the leap from "Sharif's parents were Lebanese", to "Sharif is of Lebanese descent" is going too far in an article about a living person." --[[User:Arab Cowboy|Arab Cowboy]] ([[User talk:Arab Cowboy|talk]]) 11:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
[User:Sanchom Admin Sancho] has laid The Wikipedia rule on this matter. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Omar_Sharif#Summary_and_moving_forward On Omar Sharif's Talk page], Sancho He has stated: "* SD, avoid original research. Even the leap from "Sharif's parents were Lebanese", to "Sharif is of Lebanese descent" is going too far in an article about a living person." --[[User:Arab Cowboy|Arab Cowboy]] ([[User talk:Arab Cowboy|talk]]) 11:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:The sources cited here and in the article do indicate that Anwar Wagdi has been identified as "Egyptian" by some, "Syrian" by others, or of "Syrian origin". I think its appropriate to mention this in the article and add any relevant categories as well. [[User:Tiamut|<b><font color="#B93B8F">T</font><font color="#800000">i</font><font color="#B93B8F">a</font><font color="#800000">m</font><font color="#B93B8F">u</font><font color="#800000">t</font></b>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Tiamut|talk]]</sup> 20:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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Did queen Farida play any official role in society as queen? Did she show herself in public? It seems (from her article) that her predecessor did not. --Aciram (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
She did play an official role. I added the information in the article with general, overall expansion.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the expansion! It was interesting to read. --Aciram (talk) 12:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
An RFC is open at this article which is marked as within the scope of this Wikiproject but the RFC has so far seem very few responses. It would be very helpful to resolving the matter if any interested editors could stop by and offer any thoughts.
Wouldn't it be good if this project added a subpage for new articles where members could list articles they recently created. That way other members could be aware and help out or collaborate to better the article. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We could create a collaboration subpage, where we work on an article for a week or something. Tell me your thoughts.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's a fantastic idea! WP Palestine has that (although it's kind of dead now) and we got a number of articles to GA-class level (Bethlehem, Palestinian fedayeen, Khalil al-Wazir). We don't necessarily have to bring all articles selected to GA class, but we should definitely improve them greatly. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We could also create not yet created articles and improve them to be a reliable source of information. The internet doesn't have nearly enough information to cover Egypt and its history. However the problem for such task forces or weekly collaboration are the involved participants. If enough people are interested I would do the needed measures to create such a project and improve articles under its scope. So maybe you could get in touch with some possibly interested Users who might like to collaborate on such articles. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You bring up a very good point. In the WP Palestine Collaboration of the Week, I had to ask around for help from other project members and and except for Palestinian fedayeen, all the other articles were pretty much edited by a sole editor and so it was not a collaborative effort. It also depends on what articles are suggested. If it's a major subject like an important city, political figure, cultural aspect, or a historic event, more people are likely to actively participate. Another user and I were planning on working on the Gamal Abdel Nasser article (actually I have been wanting to edit this article since early 2008 since I have his biography). I'm sure we could get more editors to work on it also. Then of course there's Asmahan which you and number of other editors are currently working on. It's not really necessary for a "bunch" of users to collaborate on an article, usually the range is 2-4 editors. As for sources, you'd be surprised at the number of online sources available. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be happy to work with you on Nasser to get it possibly to Featured status. The Egyptian Air Force is Featured on the Arabic wiki so it's possible we get it featured here also. Anyway I have about 3 books about Nasser and the Revolution and also later Sadat. I'm struggling with Asmahan there is a big, huge fight about whether she's Syrian or Egyptian. I have to find a compromise somehow which is very hard, as I'm also busy with other articles and contribute a lot to Commons. If u could invite the other editor here we could discuss how to better work on future articles. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 10:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's good to hear that you are willing to work on Nasser. I know you're still busy with Asmahan and other articles so we could work on Nasser later in the week. The other editor I had in mind is Nableezy. I'll notify him later today (he's usually busy with I/P-related articles and is working on a future article on the al-Azhar Mosque.) As for me, I'm mostly finished with my work on the Ayyubid dynasty and nominated it for GA. Therefore, my hands are actually quite free to work on al-rayyes. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, well Nableezy is down to edit the article. When do you want to initiate the collaboration project on Nasser? --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm on Vacation and will return on Sunday, so I'd say starting monday?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect. We'll write up a to-do list then. Have a good vacation! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could we make the collaboration on Gamal Abdel Nasser official by replacing the Cairo Metro as the current project of the week at the Collaboration subpage? --Al Ameer son (talk) 07:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I made it official, could u add any other participants names to it? If possible also spam the active participants in the participants list.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 09:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I just added Nableezy. Also, I'm going to notify other members from this project who have made contributions lately and members of WikiProject Arab world as well. Maybe some users from that project would also be interested. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well its good to see the collaboration section is being revived. Unfortunately I don't have resources on Nasser or his period of rule, but I suppose I could add from sources on the internet. I won't be listing myself as a participant just yet; not until I see what I can contribute. --Sherif9282 (talk) 08:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great, here's a list of internet sources that I've gathered from google books:
User Arab Cowboy has recently joined WP Egypt and added the Egypt stub, Category:Egyptians of Syrian descent and Category:Druze people of Egyptian nationality to the article, and also WikiProject Egypt to the talkpage.
This is a Syrian clan and I do not believe it is in any way of any interest or has any connection to WP Egypt and I do not believe these two categories should be in the article or the Egypt stub. The Asmahan and Farid al Atrash articles already have these categories, and thats where they belong. The al Atrash clan are not Druze people of Egyptian nationality or Egyptians of Syrian descent. The Al Atrash clan has no connection to Egypt, only Asmahan and Farid. I would like to remove these things from the article and I would like to hear what other WP Egypt members feel about this.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I Agree with Supreme Deliciousness... Don't mix Farid Al Atrash & Asmahan's relations to Egypt with the rest of their Family.. Koraiem (talk) 13:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also agree here. Asmahan and Farid certainly belong in WP:EGYPT, but the clan itself is out of its scope. --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Asmahan and Farid al-Atrash were Egyptian citizens belonging to al-Atrash family. They lived all their lives in Egypt, along with their brother Fuad. Fuad's descendents continue to live in Egypt. As long as users like Supreme Deliciousness keeps inserting "Syrian" in front of those names, WP:Egypt will keep a watchful eye on it. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 13:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Arab Cowboy, the Atrash Family are NOT Egyptian, and i do not think they are to be regarded as Egyptians, as for living all of their lives in Egypt, this is definatly not true, they were born in Syria, Farid al Atrash lived in Lebanon later on, while Asmahan moved to Syria when she got married, so claiming that they are egyptians just becuase they moved to egypt is inaccurate...
Arab League, with all due respect to your opinion, it is just that, an opinion. But the truth is they were Egyptian citizens and they practically lived all their lives in Egypt and did all their music in Egyptian Arabic. For more information, please see their respective Talk pages. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 17:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that most agree with SD on the facts that the Family is Syrian and therefore doesn't belong to WP Egypt or its related categories. I'll therefore proceed with the change.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 18:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What about Anwar Wagdi, Tamer Hosny, and Soad Hosny, do you find it appropriate that they be labelled of Syrian descent just because they might have had one (of four) Syrian grandfathers? What if SD sneaks his Syrian agenda back as a label for Asmahan and Farid after it has been removed by a mediator? Who is keeping watch? --Arab Cowboy (talk) 09:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The "labeling" AC is referring to is adding of the category Egyptians of Syrian descent. Tamers mother is Syrian, not one of his grandparents, and in the case of Anwar, the only sources we have say he is of Syrian origin, it might be 100%, 50% or 25%.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do You Agree That These People Were of Syrian Descent?
Do you agree that Anwar Wagdi, Tamer Hosny, Soad Hosny were of Syrian descent? Admin Sancho had stated on Omar Sharif's Talk page that going from both his parents were Syrian or Lebanese to "he was of Syrian descent" would be an unacceptable leap in WP. Please make your opinion known if this category "Category:Egyptians of Syrian descent" should be in their articles. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 09:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The question is: should the category "Egyptians of Syrian descent" be in these three articles or not?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see what the people in other WikiProjects concerning races have done.. ask a Wikipedian who contributes into Articles concerning Racial descendants & roots if they're considered descendants of a specific race if only one of the grandparents is from it..
My personal opinion is to include only those with at least one direct parent (eg:Father or mother is Syrian, and from Syrian parents).. and anything farther than that should not be considered.. Koraiem (talk) 21:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
[User:Sanchom Admin Sancho] has laid The Wikipedia rule on this matter. On Omar Sharif's Talk page, Sancho He has stated: "* SD, avoid original research. Even the leap from "Sharif's parents were Lebanese", to "Sharif is of Lebanese descent" is going too far in an article about a living person." --Arab Cowboy (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The sources cited here and in the article do indicate that Anwar Wagdi has been identified as "Egyptian" by some, "Syrian" by others, or of "Syrian origin". I think its appropriate to mention this in the article and add any relevant categories as well. Tiamuttalk 20:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
