File talk:Public opinion of same-sex marriage in USA by state.svg

Ohio[edit]

Ohio was Dark Blue for a short period and then reverted to light blue. It has clear majority support in the latest polls, check Ohio's gay marriage page if you don't believe me. So please change it to dark blue.

Ohio[edit]

Ohio needs to be changed to Dark Blue. Someone please get onto that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.101.206 (talk) 21:45, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Colors[edit]

I don't understand the difference between light and dark blue. Aren't they logically equivalent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustball (talk • contribs) 19:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ohio[edit]

Ohio should be dark blue, can someone change this? I cannot figure out how to do it! Source is http://woub.org/2013/12/20/ohio-poll-supports-marriage-equality-major-shift-opinion. Clear majority for Marriage equality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doerandom1 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Florida & Ohio[edit]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/poll-support-grows-for-same-sex-marriage-in-florida-ohio-and-virginia/2012/10/09/969bea0e-1220-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html Prcc27 (talk) 01:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ohio[edit]

Ohio should be dark blue according to the poll on the main page. 97.71.50.252 (talk) 03:55, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ohio still needs to be dark blue, 50% now support the freedom to marry. [1] aharris206 (talk) 00:08, 06 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's 53% [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabianzzz (talk • contribs) 01:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Utah's Color[edit]

According to a poll released by the Washington Blade in early Jan 2014, days after a district court judge ruled the ban on gay marriage unconstitutional and allowed same sex marriages to take place, it reports that Utahns support for marriage equality has come to an all time high of 41% in favor and thus it requires new coloring in the map. It is also reported on the general Wikipedia site, only the map has not been updated. For further information click here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3:1680:18B:2CE9:A5AA:67C6:991B (talk) 07:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

48% for; 48% against. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57391605-78/marriage-sex-percent-state.html.csp --Prcc27 (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with the polls[edit]

So, I haven't really been paying attention to this file (I tend to be a very unreliable contributor generally), but I notice that 1. state opinion polls seem to be shifting around to shocking degrees and 2. looking at the polls themselves, and the way we're currently handling this file, there's at least three major problems with the way we're handling it.

We use polls with vastly different wordings. Most importantly, we include polls which ask about a choice between marriage, civil unions, or nothing, and those which ask if people are for or against marriage equality. As someone somewhere noted (I think it was Nate Silver), about 10-15% of the population has preferences that go CUs-marriage-nothing, rather than any of the more expected combinations.
We only include the most recent poll, here and on Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States.
We ignore the margin of error.

I'd like to make the following suggestions and see what people have to say:

We make two files, one for support for marriage in two-way polls, one that looks at polls that include marriage and civil unions.
We average the five most recent polls, or all polls within the past 12 months, whichever is fewer.
On this map (for two-way polls), we have new categories, which take into account the margin of error. I'd suggest at least five: majority support above margin of error, plurality support within or below MoE for majority but above MoE for plurality, statistical tie, plurality and majority opposition per the terms above.

I know that this seems needlessly complicated, but right now we have a map that is essentially meaningless, and I think we need to do something. —Quintucket (talk) 00:00, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All of this, absolutely. Plumber (talk) 16:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that's an acceptable solution.. --Prcc27 (talk) 04:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

~~It should be further discussed here --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#Public_opinion_map~~ --Prcc27 (talk) 06:44, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind... --Prcc27 (talk) 09:03, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can I bring this up again? I was reminded of this when I saw Arizona unceremoniously drop from 55% support to 49% and the state color changed. I also support this proposition, but I'm worried that there just wont be enough data to properly do this. I mean, there are still 5 states where we have zero current polling data, and some of the states only have a couple of polls out on the issue. If anything, there should be the 5 poll limit AND the 12 month limit so we aren't including stale data. (also; why don't we just color code not by majorities and pluralities, but by the 10% increments we have in all the other polls on the page? Because right now we have states with 51% the same color as states with 66%. I'm not sure if that accurately describes the situation.) Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 06:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Territories[edit]

Should the territories be removed from the map..? First of all, the key specifically references "state" (then again, D.C. isn't a state either). Second, there are no recent polls out of any of the U.S. Territories. IMO, they should be removed. --Prcc27 (talk) 04:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. In some other maps in the US LGBT rights page, the territories aren't included if they don't have any applicable laws. I think they should be removed for now, but if polling data comes out for a certain territory we can put it on the map like Puerto Rico for hate crime laws and housing anti-discrimination laws.

Also, should map keys be edited then? Most of the maps say "state" but also feature DC and some territories. Is there a more general word we can use that also encompasses the territories and DC? Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 06:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The word "jurisdiction" covers state, district, tribal, territorial, and even federal governments. --Prcc27 (talk) 23:51, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Arizona[edit]

Arizona should be light blue. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/PPP_Release_AZ_304.pdf --Prcc27 (talk) 03:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Coloring[edit]

How come dark blue is used for majority support but red (not dark red) is used for majority opposition? --Prcc27 (talk) 03:46, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Coloring proposal

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

No recent poll data.

--Prcc27 (talk) 04:07, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What about this? I quite like the current colors but do agree that blue needs to be changed. I just noticed that earlier when the colors in the 'by state' table were changed to actually match the key for the image. Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 05:44, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, that works! --Prcc27 (talk) 06:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can not see the difference between the two colors. The blue is to light for me to see. I will edit the state polling in the section so it is dark blue that way it will solve the problem. So stop editing it to the light blue.GayTenn (talk) 19:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the problem though, the coloring before was

Darkblue

lightblue

pink

red

Why should majority support be dark blue but majority opposition be regular red?

What do you think of this map, do you think it would be better..?

--Prcc27 (talk) 19:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's a little better, but the dark red is a little harder to make out form the dark blue. And the blue should be a little lighter from the dark blue. If you want to edit the map that way sure. But I liked it the way the colors where originally.GayTenn (talk) 20:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I know, but it isn't just about YOUR opinion. The public in general would probably prefer one of the other two proposals because it makes more sense. --Prcc27 (talk) 20:09, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the map was messed up from the start. There used to only be 3 colors (plus gray) instead of four. That's probably why dark blue was used instead of blue. --Prcc27 (talk) 20:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Im fine with dark red - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does that mean you prefer this map over the current one, Knowledgekid87? --Prcc27 (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I have trouble discerning the blue from the dark blue for this one... how about we just use lighter colors in general? This map always was a little garish. I'm a little inspired by the US marijuana laws map; perhaps we could take the two purple shades, and then either find a matching lighter green/darker blue? Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 02:24, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I don't like it.. :/

What do you think about this version (updated proposal above)? It's the same as the original version, but instead of regular red, dark red is used.--Prcc27 (talk) 02:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Now why hadn't I thought of that before? Lol. I support this one. It's not too obnoxious and the blues are better to distinguish now, and no inconsistent colors.

If there are no objections, I'll edit the svg? Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 02:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't object. --Prcc27 (talk) 02:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tie[edit]

If there is every a tie in a poll (for example when Utah was split 48% for; 48% against) this is how the key should look. Thoughts?

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that are split on same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

No recent poll data.

--Prcc27 (talk) 04:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it's because I have a common form of colorblindness or something else, but I find it very difficult to tell the difference between the colors #318ce7 and #D754FF. Perhaps a greater contrasting color for the "split" polls? Coinmanj (talk) 22:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What about just a black? Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 23:54, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I actually wasn't the first person to suggest that color... [3] Black works though.

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that are split on same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

No recent poll data.

--Prcc27 (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That would work fine for me. However, I wonder if there might be another issue with black, and that's just the subconscious reaction to black as generally being "negative", what about an orange color? I've seen a few debates about black being used when representing political issues and I can just imagine the argument coming at some point. Coinmanj (talk) 19:57, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Orange isn't really a neutral color though... how about this?

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that are split on same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

No recent poll data.

--Prcc27 (talk) 23:39, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What about a lighter color? Feels a little off to have a dark color between two light colors.

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that are split on same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a plurality of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

Recent polls that show a majority of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage.

No recent poll data.

Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 00:25, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. --Prcc27 (talk) 06:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stripe[edit]

So if there is more than one poll that overlaps and it is impossible to determine which ones should be considered the "newest" poll; would we end up striping the state if applicable? Could we possibly see 5 stripes for a state? --Prcc27 (talk) 23:29, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Texas[edit]

Before changing Texas to light blue please go here --> [4] --Prcc27 (talk) 02:43, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How recent is "recent"?[edit]

Do states go back to grey after x years if they haven't been polled since? Are we consistent? I assume we're taking our data from the table at Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#By_state?

Also, for Texas, assuming it does indicate support for actual marriage, we can't say that a plurality supports, because support and opposition are equal. Every existing color is incorrect for that, so I averaged the azure and pink. Also added a space for the margin of error in the table, but only supplied a value for Texas. — kwami (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Kwamikagami: Would it be okay to add ballot initiative results from states that don't have any polls..? (Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oklahoma, and Alabama). The question would then be whether or not that qualifies as "recent." --Prcc27 (talk) 03:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Probably. Maybe depends on what it is? We already have polls among likely voters, which isn't directly comparable to the state as a whole, and of course the wording of the Texas poll you pointed out, which also isn't directly comparable, so I'd say yes, as long as we're clear, maybe by saying "42%, ballot initiative" or something. I'd rather have something than to just leave those states blank.

As for what is 'recent', I'd say within the past 2 years? I'd hate to go back further than that because opinions are changing so quickly. I'd prefer 1 yr, but we'd have a lot of blank spots if we did that. I'm currently collecting the dates of all the poles we use to see if 2 yrs is feasible. — kwami (talk) 03:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Updating my comment): Voting "no" on same-sex marriage bans doesn't necessarily mean you support same-sex marriage; it just means you don't think it should be illegal. However, It might be safe to say that a "yes" vote means that you don't support same-sex marriage. Idk, it's very confusing. But support for same-sex marriage recognition doesn't necessarily mean you support same-sex marriage either so...Idk. --Prcc27 (talk) 03:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok what happen to this map?[edit]

1.) There shouldn't be two different polls from two different months. Now I don't know which state supports what anymore. Apparently Georgia supports and opposes gay marriage at the same time! Use the most recent polling.
2.) The Indiana poll doesn't work because it ask a question of whether they support same-sex marriage or civil unions or opposes both. That doesn't work because it doesn't give use the full support for same-sex marriage. I'm gonna go back to the previous polling on Indiana.
3.) You edited Minnesota wrong. When you edit it you have to clip on the state, not fill it in.

I'm gonna fix all this. If you have any problems just talk to me here before reverting any of my edits.GayTenn (talk) 11:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it works the other way around. As for not knowing "which state supports what anymore", well, yeah. That's the situation. We don't know whether Georgian supports or opposes gay marriage because the polls are inconsistent. You can't pick one and pretend that it represents the actual situation.

If you find someone like Nate Silver who analyses the polls to extrapolate the true support, that would be fantastic. Or even if you are able to find a method for doing that. It's a bit beyond my level of stats.

I don't know what "clip on the state" means. — kwami (talk) 18:01, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well the most recent polling Georgia says it's about under 50% support of gay marriage. That's what the most recent polling says. Ok. Understand? Same thing applies to presidential or governor elections. If you are gonna put two different polls from two different months or years, why not just put all polls up there from ever year ever? See that don't work. Support for gay marriage is growing so fast for all we know that states like Georgia the polling could hold true. So just stick with the most recent polling.

Also the polling from Indiana is old and useless. Doesn't even show opposition to gay marriage. And just also got rid of a recent Michigan poll. Here is the most recent poll in Indiana: http://blogs.wishtv.com/2013/11/14/wish-tvball-state-hoosier-survey-shows-growing-opposition-to-marriage-amendment/

I meant Wisconsin. Looks like a mess. In fact all the states with divided stuff on it look like a mess.

First of all that's an estimation of the stats. We don't do that here. I'm just going with whatever is the most recent poll, because polling is the most accurate.

How about this? If the polls happened in the same month maybe I could see using both recent polling on gay marriage, but using one poll from Oct and another from August just doesn't work. I'm gonna reedit this and if you want change something in my edit just let me and we work it.GayTenn (talk) 19:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Intentionally misrepresenting the polls is fraud. We're not going to let you do that. All representations are going to be somewhat arbitrary, but we can at least try to be consistent. Say, polls within 6 mo of the most recent which disagree substantially with it, unless there are multiple polls and one is clearly an outlier, or they don't ask similar questions, etc. For example, opposing a constitutional ban on SSM is not the same thing as supporting SSM, so your Indiana poll is inappropriate. — kwami (talk) 00:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

kwami, the poll that GayTenn posted on Indiana was asking if they support or oppose SSM. Did you even read it? 71.230.71.243 (talk) 08:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I'd only skimmed it. Since the old poll in incomplete, and didn't sample the general population anyway, I'll simply replace it, but if s.o. feels we should have both, go ahead. — kwami (talk) 20:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Striped States[edit]

I'm not seeing a pattern to the striped states.. May I propose that the higher up colors go on top and the lower colors go on bottom..? --Prcc27 (talk) 07:49, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Now that is really bugging me. Support. Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 05:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Text editable[edit]

Is it possible for us to make this map into a text editable map..? I'd be a whole lot easier to edit. --Prcc27 (talk) 06:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It used to be. I wonder if it's possible to do the striping in such in a normal editor and not Inkscape, etc or if that was necessary to do the overhaul. Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 06:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There's striping on the U.S. marriage map. I'll try to make one. --Prcc27 (talk) 06:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But then how will we add the question mark..? --Prcc27 (talk) 06:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And sme of the colors codes aren't a triple coding... --Prcc27 (talk) 08:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, sorry. Probably shouldn't have said "striping." What I really meant was the dividing of states into two colors. And yeah, the question mark will be tough... I'm assuming both are possible but would take a lot of time and know-how. Neither of which I really have, lol. Bigdaddybrabantio (talk) 23:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my failed attempt at it... Lol. ~~[5]~~ --Prcc27 (talk) 10:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, wrong photo! [6] --Prcc27 (talk) 06:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my proposed map: [7] --Prcc27 (talk) 01:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

North Dakota[edit]

@AHC30:The map makes no mention of not using polls with undecided and neutral positions. Undecided and neutral are pretty much the same thing... they both take away from SSM support and opposition. Since only polls on SSM are represented, there is no point in you bringing up CUs. Prcc27 (talk) 01:28, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the poll is basically comparable. Weak vs strong support or opposition can be lumped together as support or opposition. But there's no "undecided", it's no response. The question is whether non-responses were lumped in to the CBS/NYT results. I doubt they were. So it's 39% support, 9% neutral, and 52% opposed among those who answered. With a margin of 5%, that's still pink. So no change to the map.

But DC is still messed up. — kwami (talk) 05:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, should we keep both ND polls? The one has a broad confidence interval, but even so shows plurality support, and it used the same methodology as the other 50 states. Since we've had two polls in ND at essentially the same time, I wonder if we'll get more. That might clarify if one of these two is an outlier. — kwami (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wyoming[edit]

@Bigdaddybrabantio: can you please explain why you reverted Wyoming, other then "Wyoming is still plursup-plurop"? If you look at the link I put in the description, and here, you will see that a recently conducted pool puts support at 53% and opposition at 39%. Our job is to update this when we find the available information, and looking at trends, the support for same sex marriage in Wyoming is rapidly rising (as shown in this poll.) The Washington Post is a credible site, and was citing a poll conducted by the University of Wyoming (also credible). Aharris206 (talk) 00:26, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No response. The American Foundation for Equal rights is now citing the same poll. You can see here. I have readded the majsup stripe for Wyoming. Please incluse a link with a more recent poll showing that "at least a plurality, and possibly a majority, of that state's population opposes same-sex marriage" if you are going to revert this again. This is an issue that is constantly changing, and it is our job to keep this up to date. Thank you. Aharris206 (talk) 20:58, 01 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]