Talk:Cartoon Wars Part II

Speculations

"It is speculated (but not confirmed) that the creators/writers for Family Guy will either be Scientologists, Catholics, Crab People, Saddam Hussein, the Super Adventure Club, Tom Cruise, Xenu, Darth Chef or another character/group portrayed recently in the series." By whom is it speculated? Bezo 04:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What Bezo said. And how is it based on commercials for the show, its website and/or other advance publicity? And if I think Patrick Duffy is behind it all can I add him on the list too? And, finally, what's the point of speculation if you have a list longer then my arm? --Bahati 08:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Big Part Two

Twenty bucks says they show a Terrance and Phillip episode.

Yeah, I am half-expecting something completely out of left field, although that one was April 1st. Something having nothing to do with continuing the plotline from the last episode. Doregasm 00:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You guy were half right... Ace ofspade 03:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was actually convinced for a second that they were really going to pull that "...will not air tonight!" business. Jeff Silvers 03:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are awesome...

Holy crap you guys are updating fast!!

Thank you to everyone whos been working on all the south park articles on wikipedia, they are Really good.

(you can delete this whenever you like)

Muhammad image removed by Commedy Central?

Was the image of Muhammad really removed by Comedy Central?

Yes it was. How disappointing.

How do you know for sure? Couldn't it be just part of the whole free speech joke? Did Comedy Central actually release a statement saying this?

I was sorta wondering the same thing. Jeff Silvers 03:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Im guessing it could have gone either way. Either it was part of the joke or comedy central removed it. Someone please update this page when there is a statement or proof of either side. PrettyMuchBryce 03:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is that Comedy Central actually does have a policy now where it won't air images of Mohammed, but Parker and Stone knew that beforehand. They had the statement about how CC doesn't air the images immediately followed by the most vulgar cartoon with Jesus in it because of the irony of not being able to show someone handing a football helmet to someone else, but being able to show someone covered in shit. 04:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I personally doubt that Comedy Central censored the image over Matt and Trey's heads. Still, though, I've reworded the section so it states what happened, but doesn't promote a particular viewpoint on why it happened.Raymondluxuryacht 04:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think not showing Muhammad is the point in the joke/idea of these two episodes - everyone expected to see him as if it actually mattered to these episodes' message in any way. Would this whole episode be OK if he was censored, and would it be outrageous if he was not...? On one side you have people disdaining Muhammad's depiction, on the other side you have people slobberig over such pictures. And you have people in the middle that basically don't care that much to start wars for it. --Abdull 14:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Yeah, I agree with the statement above. It was definitly a joke by Matt and Trey, I highly doubt Comedy Central censored it.

I'd like to believe it was Trey and Matt to, but it looks like it was actually Comedy Central's decision. --Mercury1 17:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Can someone say IRONY?Raymondluxuryacht 19:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A torrent file seems to exist with an apparently uncencored version of this episode. ([1]).

The uncensored copy is FAKE FAKE FAKE! 2 things. First, take a close look at this screenshot and you can see the dodgy hack job some amateur has done inserting a SOUTH PARK STYLE (not fake Family Guy style) Mohammed into the scene. Second, if you download this version, you will find that there are no new frames of animation, only the ones before and after the white on black text with Mohammed spliced in badly. Edit: Oh yeah, and did I mention that the Comedy Central ident from the 'censored' original is STILL IN THE CORNER?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060413/ap_on_en_tv/tv_south_park_muhammad Here's the answer guys.

The fake uncensored copy just uses the mohammed from the Super Best Friends episode. Jaderaid 23:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think someone should put something in the article that mentions the forged 'uncensored' copy. I think it's pretty easy to tell that it is fake because it's already been said that the episode was compiled as is before the airing. PrettyMuchBryce 18:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Designbot

About how Bush was portrayed...

"This is an unusual depiction of the President, who is often satirized for his supposed simple-mindedness; here, Bush is shown as being clear in his speech and thought with the media being portrayed as anti-free speech and uninformed."

Um, but aren't Matt and Trey pro-Bush? So as unusual as it is, it makes sense they wouldn't make fun of him like most people do... (although part of me is surprised that they didn't anyways). Would it be a good idea to add that information to this fact?

They have never really said if they like him or not, but they have made fun of him in the past a fair bit (that's my bush). Maybe it just didn't fit into the plot.Jaderaid 06:43, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neither Matt nor Trey has gone on record supporting Bush. Both are often assumed to be conservatives since the show seems to bash liberals so much, but neither publicly identifies himself as such. In fact, Parker is a registered Libertarian. The truth is that South Park's satire is more social in nature than political; making fun of specific political figures has never been their focus.Raymondluxuryacht 06:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was really surprised when it turned out that Bush knew what the First Amendment was. I doubt he does in real life.

Yes, I'm sure that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES has no idea what the First Amendment is. You may not support the President, but don't make foolish comments such as the one above.

If you're not Bush I can't see how can you make such a statement with any degree of certainty. On the same note, sign your comments!

In my opinion, and experience, it's not much fun to make fun of someone when everybody else is doing it, and with plenty of material mind you. It would be in bad taste...--Bahati 16:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure South Park has lampooned both sides of the political spectrum on countless occations. People on either side tend to notice more when their side is attacked and gloss over the fact that the other side was, too. --Sean WI 04:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Missing cultural reference

The leadup to the Kyle and Cartman fight reminded me alot of the Matrix and Matrix Revolutions fight between Neo and Agent Smith.--The dez 07:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Julie, the woman in the network control center, resembles Glenn Close in Air Force One, doesn't she? --Bahati 11:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bart

Can someone explain how Kyle was able to convince Bart to help him?

Perhaps Bart is a malleable simp(son)leton? sorry.

===>Gay little speeches Kyle gave a gay little speech, like he always does. They always work on the people in South Park because they are reasonable human beings, except Cartman. Bart is also a reasonable human being, so it worked. We just didn't get to hear the gay little speech. -Justin (koavf), talk 13:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On a simmilar note, isn't this the first time Mona Mashell's used her "boy" voice for South Park, isn't it?--Conan-san 19:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a stretch and a fine example of my nerdery, but did anyone else notice the "Isn't that like terrorism?"/"It's not like terrorism, it IS terrorism!" exchange fairly mirrored the "Isn't that practically stealing?"/"Practically!"/"It IS stealing!" bit from The Telltale Head- the exact episode Bart goes on to reference moments later. --L T Dangerous 23:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good call Dangerous, I think thats worth putting in the article. --153.90.119.175 01:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fat Terrance

Terrance is quite obese. Any reasons for that? --Abdull 14:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Terrance's weight gain occurred in the episode Terrance and Phillip: Behind the Blow that aired in 2001. User:MarnetteD | Talk 16:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

News story links

All the news sources in the External Links section link to the same story- the Associated Press story- just reprinted on different sites and given different headlines. Do we really need three links to the same story?Raymondluxuryacht 00:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had put the 3 story links in. Noticed today that the AP story link that was put in instead (linked to www.newsvine.com) was dead and replaced it with the CNN link instead, that's likely to be more stable --Vivek 14:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name Tags on Reporters

In the scene where Bush is describing the so-called First Amendment with the reporters, two reporters are noticeably wearing name tags while the others aren't. One says "TCO" and the other is "LSX". What is this a reference to?Cory Kohn 03:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Searching on the internet provides no real clues. TCO could stand for a lot of things, the most common search result being "Total Cost of Ownership." LSX only returns as a media-file type. I'm assuming they may just be initials of people the show creators know. Orichalcon 15:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pull the Episode parody

There are two references that people made that this scenen is a parody of:

"The "Pull the episode" scene is also reminiscent of the FOX drama 24, and, particularly, the fifth season. Early on in the season, as in this scene, characters would constantly argue over critical decisions that were ultimately up to the President's call, and both Rupert Murdoch and President Charles Logan (early on in the season) were characterized as being highly indecisive figures that couldn't pull the trigger on anything that could have a major impact."

and

"The scene that shows the Fox president deciding whether or not to pull episode is a parody of a scene from Air Force One with Harrison Ford."

Although there are similarities, I don't think it's a parody of "Air Force One", I think it's just a parody of 24 and maybe an amalgamation of scenes like it. Any thoughts?

Maybe it had nothing to do with 24, but was just the original thinking the makes pride themselves in in this very episode. 84.139.4.74 13:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, if that "Pull one episode, kill whole series"-part was a parody of anything, then it is about the removal of South Park's own episode "Trapped in the Closet" from syndication. 84.139.4.74 13:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]